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Post by Since84 on May 18, 2017 2:29:57 GMT -8
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Post by longsince98 on May 18, 2017 4:05:08 GMT -8
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Post by phoebear611 on May 18, 2017 5:10:14 GMT -8
Dear Lord if anyone out there is a hacker I wish they would just shut down TWTR. DJT is impossible with all these frigging tweets. Let it go already. Meanwhile AAPL green.
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Post by tuffett on May 18, 2017 5:31:21 GMT -8
I love DJT tweets. Comedic gold.
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Post by rickag on May 18, 2017 7:07:56 GMT -8
The article refers to Google's Android. I wonder if that does or does not include all variants of Android. Don't some smartphone manufacturers use other variants of Android not benefiting Google? Pardon my ignorance.
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Post by longsince98 on May 18, 2017 8:54:25 GMT -8
The article refers to Google's Android. I wonder if that does or does not include all variants of Android. Don't some smartphone manufacturers use other variants of Android not benefiting Google? Pardon my ignorance. I get the impression that when they boast of 2B active users, they're referring to all android users.
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Post by platon on May 18, 2017 9:27:02 GMT -8
For general info only, not to start a discussion. Invite to the Dungeon and I will be there later tonight. In response to yesterday's thread. You're just completely wrong. I'm sorry. So you are calling the WAPO article fake news? Strange you liberals are. I see our local thread Nazi has given the green light to political debate on the main thread. I will not bite other than this post as I am aware of how this will work. The election butt-hurt crowd will repeat the fantasies of the MSM with glee and song until the factual responses of Macster and JD causes them more butt pain and suddenly the snowflakes begin to melt and calls for cease and desist begin with threats of expulsion and violence ensues. Don't believe me? Just visit your local university. Thanks Artman for dragging tuffet to the dungeon. I will continue to respond there in memory of our most profound example of left-wing lunacy---firestorm. Come on down I just dusted, but be aware it is not snowflake friendly. I will copy and paste this to the 18th day thread so maybe others will see it.
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Post by tuffett on May 18, 2017 10:01:04 GMT -8
Funny...all I said was that Trump impeachment talks were making the markets nervous and for people to be careful. This on a day where AAPL ended up down over $5.
It wasn't a political statement. It was a factual one. I've also mentioned several times of my hope for Trump's tax reform to pass - also not a political statement but rather one that would affect AAPL.
Apparently any potential mention of the lord and saviour Donald Trump that casts him in a negative light gets a certain portion of this board's membership all riled up. Ironically, the exact membership that repeatedly label other posters as "snowflakes". These people show the same thin skin as their idol does when he goes on one of his Twitter rants. Coincidence?
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Post by chinacat on May 18, 2017 10:48:08 GMT -8
Please forgive me for mentioning AAPL in this forum, but I am heartened by its solid recovery today from yesterday's fears. Looks to me like none of the "big boys" want to get caught short (excuse the pun) when the anticipated "supercycle" reaches lift off.
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Post by aaplcrazie on May 18, 2017 10:57:29 GMT -8
Please forgive me for mentioning AAPL in this forum, but I am heartened by its solid recovery today from yesterday's fears. Looks to me like none of the "big boys" want to get caught short (excuse the pun) when the anticipated "supercycle" reaches lift off. Time for a Mini Wheee....
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Post by JDSoCal on May 18, 2017 11:00:35 GMT -8
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Post by dmiller on May 18, 2017 12:30:19 GMT -8
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Post by chinacat on May 18, 2017 12:55:12 GMT -8
To me, Apple Watch is another great example of Apple playing the long game. Much of the focus for the initial release of the Watch was on a more convenient way to initiate activities (receive alerts, send quick messages, etc.) that duplicated functions already available on the iPhone. As Apple delves further into health monitoring, it is clear that the most "intimate" of Apple products will be the epicenter of those efforts. Complaints that the Watch duplicates functions already available on the iPhone will fade as it becomes more clear that part of its intent is to be the collector and analyzer of data from a system of third party partner sensing devices. The aging US population will be the perfect target market (I mention only the US because I cannot claim to be on top of demographic trends in other countries).
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Post by tuffett on May 18, 2017 14:20:15 GMT -8
Canada is even worse I think. Seniors outnumber children for the first time ever. Small population but would be a good market for the Watch. I see a lot of them around these days.
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Post by phoebear611 on May 18, 2017 15:10:53 GMT -8
My husband is diabetic - I've learned a great deal about the disease. If this is for real and it monitors properly it would be incredible...a real game-changer and disruptor. Pricking yourself at least 4 times daily and all that you need to do it (paraphernalia) is insane, cumbersome and costly. I sincerely hopes this happens.
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Post by appledoc on May 18, 2017 16:27:54 GMT -8
My husband is diabetic - I've learned a great deal about the disease. If this is for real and it monitors properly it would be incredible...a real game-changer and disruptor. Pricking yourself at least 4 times daily and all that you need to do it (paraphernalia) is insane, cumbersome and costly. I sincerely hopes this happens. Provided it's implemented correctly. Continuous monitoring or overly frequent monitoring is worthless and harmful.
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Post by phoebear611 on May 18, 2017 16:55:32 GMT -8
My husband is diabetic - I've learned a great deal about the disease. If this is for real and it monitors properly it would be incredible...a real game-changer and disruptor. Pricking yourself at least 4 times daily and all that you need to do it (paraphernalia) is insane, cumbersome and costly. I sincerely hopes this happens. Provided it's implemented correctly. Continuous monitoring or overly frequent monitoring is worthless and harmful. Why? If it is on a watch band or in the watch you wouldn't have to prick yourself those 4 times so you wouldn't need a glucometer or alcohol pads or test strips. Not to mention if you have low sugar at times unbeknownst to you or your sugar spikes due to something you ate but were unaware of its sugar content or carb content at the time. I think it would be immensely helpful.
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Post by appledoc on May 19, 2017 3:13:46 GMT -8
Provided it's implemented correctly. Continuous monitoring or overly frequent monitoring is worthless and harmful. Why? If it is on a watch band or in the watch you wouldn't have to prick yourself those 4 times so you wouldn't need a glucometer or alcohol pads or test strips. Not to mention if you have low sugar at times unbeknownst to you or your sugar spikes due to something you ate but were unaware of its sugar content or carb content at the time. I think it would be immensely helpful. Except for brittle type 1 diabetics, it's just not necessary. The value in measuring blood glucose levels at certain time points is that we have excellent guidelines for how to manage them. Other times, not so much. Don't get me wrong. I'm all for non-invasive monitoring if the sensitivity, specificity, PPV/NPV is as good as traditional measurements. I'm just a little wary of where we are going with smart device monitored health care. There is potential for a great deal of good, but also a great deal of harm. The recent Apple Watch atrial fibrillation study out of UCSF is fascinating, but it's not peer reviewed yet. Will be interesting to see the demographics for the study, and how comparable they are to the population - looks like ~3% of the participants had afib, which is highly age dependent (~2% under age 65, closer to 10% over age 65). The AUC was incredible. So applied to the right group, it should work very well. But you don't want a bunch of healthy teens and 20-somethings (very low prevalence population) utilizing this function.
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Post by phoebear611 on May 19, 2017 3:22:13 GMT -8
Why? If it is on a watch band or in the watch you wouldn't have to prick yourself those 4 times so you wouldn't need a glucometer or alcohol pads or test strips. Not to mention if you have low sugar at times unbeknownst to you or your sugar spikes due to something you ate but were unaware of its sugar content or carb content at the time. I think it would be immensely helpful. Except for brittle type 1 diabetics, it's just not necessary. The value in measuring blood glucose levels at certain time points is that we have excellent guidelines for how to manage them. Other times, not so much. Don't get me wrong. I'm all for non-invasive monitoring if the sensitivity, specificity, PPV/NPV is as good as traditional measurements. I'm just a little wary of where we are going with smart device monitored health care. There is potential for a great deal of good, but also a great deal of harm. The recent Apple Watch atrial fibrillation study out of UCSF is fascinating, but it's not peer reviewed yet. Will be interesting to see the demographics for the study, and how comparable they are to the population - looks like ~3% of the participants had afib, which is highly age dependent (~2% under age 65, closer to 10% over age 65). The AUC was incredible. So applied to the right group, it should work very well. But you don't want a bunch of healthy teens and 20-somethings (very low prevalence population) utilizing this function. Well let me clarify in what we have been told by three NY endocrinologists - the medical community is moving away from even classifying diabetes as Type 1 or Type 2. It's gotten to the point where you are either insulin dependent or not since Type 2 can eventually become a Type 1. At least that is what we have been told. I think we may be in agreement given many of your statements. It worries me in general to have my medical history or information somewhere in cyber space but I'm not sure we have much of a choice since it seems the medical community is definitely shifting that way in general. Anyway, let's see what happens but I'm hopeful.
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Post by dmiller on May 19, 2017 4:51:34 GMT -8
Why? If it is on a watch band or in the watch you wouldn't have to prick yourself those 4 times so you wouldn't need a glucometer or alcohol pads or test strips. Not to mention if you have low sugar at times unbeknownst to you or your sugar spikes due to something you ate but were unaware of its sugar content or carb content at the time. I think it would be immensely helpful. Except for brittle type 1 diabetics, it's just not necessary. The value in measuring blood glucose levels at certain time points is that we have excellent guidelines for how to manage them. Other times, not so much. Don't get me wrong. I'm all for non-invasive monitoring if the sensitivity, specificity, PPV/NPV is as good as traditional measurements. I'm just a little wary of where we are going with smart device monitored health care. There is potential for a great deal of good, but also a great deal of harm. The recent Apple Watch atrial fibrillation study out of UCSF is fascinating, but it's not peer reviewed yet. Will be interesting to see the demographics for the study, and how comparable they are to the population - looks like ~3% of the participants had afib, which is highly age dependent (~2% under age 65, closer to 10% over age 65). The AUC was incredible. So applied to the right group, it should work very well. But you don't want a bunch of healthy teens and 20-somethings (very low prevalence population) utilizing this function. I don't think you have the right perspective on this, so I'll attempt to gently nudge this, based on decades of personal experience. I'll speak from the Type 1 camp. "It's just not necessary", for non-invasive monitoring and in particular, continuous monitoring, is flat-out wrong, at least as far as Type 1 goes, and many Type 2 as well. Some basics from Juvenile Diabetes Research Foundation: www.jdrf.org/about/fact-sheets/type-1-diabetes-facts/Our son was diagnosed with Type 1 at age 3. All I can say is, this was like being hit with a truck, beyond the initial shock, the hospital stay, the sudden introduction to the world of perpetual finger prick tests, WILDLY FLUCTUATING BLOOD SUGARS during the initial period of setting insulin dosage (multiple shots per day, each with multiple types of insulin to hopefully provide "peaks" that would coincide with a fixed-time meal schedule), the total disruption of lifestyle, the endless worry. Families have come apart over this; marriages disrupted. The first years of injections never produced "good" results, no matter how much the endocrinologist, over multiple visits, adjusted the dosages. Thousands of finger prick tests; thousands of shots; and still, blood sugars that could fluctuate on a whim. (The term "brittle" is often used to describe this sort of thing, but it's quite common for many with Type 1, particularly children, as they grow and their hormones fluctuate). Huge issue: the worry about low blood sugars, which vary from a minor alarm to an emergency to a life threatening emergency. With Type I, and particularly with shots vs. a pump (but also other factors involved), you're always one step away from this. Type 1 diabetics have died during the night from low blood sugar episodes (rare - but it happens). I spent years either staying up through the middle of the night, working; or waking up at 3 am; to do a finger-prick test while he was sleeping; the constant worry being, going "low", either from insulins peaking at the wrong time, or not having enough food in your system (the advice being, have a snack before bed, so there would always be some digestion going on to offset the insulin). If low, wake him and give him a snack (and then, maybe, stay awake and test in half an hour to make sure blood sugar was rising to a safer level). Similar issues during the day. Sports? Exercise and activity drops blood sugar. How do you know? Test. Many many tests, then sometimes need to eat a snack or have juice in case a quick raise is needed, and then more tests after that. What about during exams? (Stress makes blood sugar drop). What about driving? (Frequent testing with finglrpricks is impractical). Pretty much EVERY PHYSICAL AND MENTAL ACTIVITY affects blood sugar in a Type I diabetic, together with what foods have been eaten, how recently, and how insulin introduced into the body, either with shots or an insulin pump, is interacting. Low blood sugars can come on quickly; can reduce you to a state of "drunken" semi-awareness where you can't properly treat yourself, as an adult. I've seen this first-hand. Many years ago, a friend of mine, an adult with Type 1, had a low blood sugar at work. We were aware of this, but he wasn't. We tried to get some orange juice into him - he couldn't even manage that - we ended up calling 911 and they gave him IV glucose - he remembered little of it afterward. (And this was someone using an insulin pump for dosage, which is far better than shots). If he'd been alone, he could have gone comatose or died. If he'd been driving, even worse. Some diabetics are sensitive enough to feel this coming on, even beyond finger prick testing, but others are unaware and even more danger and in need of more frequent testing. Anyway, not to beat this to death, but the idea that there's little need for constant monitoring (or that it might be harmful... ) for blood glucose in a diabetic, and in particular, for every single Type 1 diabetic ("brittle" or not), is out of touch with reality. For families with Type 1, this has been the holy grail for decades. As I said in an earlier post, this is something that's been dreamed of, and not a single company has been able to bring it to market. The only existing CGM systems are invasive (need to have another "site" on the body, with a sensor under the skin, in addition to the typical insulin pump infusion site), and another expense, and a hassle to use. Every person with Type 1 in the world would want an Apple Watch with a glucose sensing band, if such a thing is ever possible. The ability to instantly detect and alarm based on going low? Constant monitoring at night? During exercise, during the day? And then, the potential to tie the numbers to insulin delivery through an insulin pump, although even without that, constant non-invasive not-expensive not-incovenient monitoring would be a huge health and lifestyle improvement. We know of families with -multiple children- with Type 1. So take all of that and multiply it. As far as Type 2, the benefits are just as important, even though the urgency isn't at the same level. Sudden swings aren't the primary concern, but monitoring blood sugar and keeping within a safe range is still critically important. **** I don't see where any harm comes from this. Everyone with diabetes, Type 1 the most, but Type 2 as well, needs to know what their blood sugars are like; all the time. It can be a short term matter of life and death; it's also a long term matter of health consequences and complications from lows (each one of these, from what we were always told, takes some brain cells out) and highs (damage to fine blood vessels, organs, vision, retinopathy, nerve damage to extremities, loss of limbs from poor control, I could go on and on). I -agree-, though, that healthy individuals don't have anywhere near the same level of need for this. It would be primarily for diabetics, or those pre-disposed to diabetes (there's a genetic component to Type 1), or those who are perhaps borderline Type 2 and need to monitor things. All Type 1 diabetics, in my opinion, are "brittle" to a certain extent - some more than others. Every single person with Type 1 stands to benefit substantially from Apple Watch glucose monitoring if it becomes available. A large percentage of those with Type 2 as well (perhaps up to "most" with Type 2). If you look beyond the numbers of diabetics of both types in the U.S. only (roughly 30 million total, 1.25 million with Type 1) and expand that worldwide (where the %'s of population may be even higher), this is a huge # of people who would benefit from this.
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Post by phoebear611 on May 19, 2017 5:32:02 GMT -8
Except for brittle type 1 diabetics, it's just not necessary. The value in measuring blood glucose levels at certain time points is that we have excellent guidelines for how to manage them. Other times, not so much. Don't get me wrong. I'm all for non-invasive monitoring if the sensitivity, specificity, PPV/NPV is as good as traditional measurements. I'm just a little wary of where we are going with smart device monitored health care. There is potential for a great deal of good, but also a great deal of harm. The recent Apple Watch atrial fibrillation study out of UCSF is fascinating, but it's not peer reviewed yet. Will be interesting to see the demographics for the study, and how comparable they are to the population - looks like ~3% of the participants had afib, which is highly age dependent (~2% under age 65, closer to 10% over age 65). The AUC was incredible. So applied to the right group, it should work very well. But you don't want a bunch of healthy teens and 20-somethings (very low prevalence population) utilizing this function. I don't think you have the right perspective on this, so I'll attempt to gently nudge this, based on decades of personal experience. I'll speak from the Type 1 camp. "It's just not necessary", for non-invasive monitoring and in particular, continuous monitoring, is flat-out wrong, at least as far as Type 1 goes, and many Type 2 as well. Some basics from Juvenile Diabetes Research Foundation: www.jdrf.org/about/fact-sheets/type-1-diabetes-facts/Our son was diagnosed with Type 1 at age 3. All I can say is, this was like being hit with a truck, beyond the initial shock, the hospital stay, the sudden introduction to the world of perpetual finger prick tests, WILDLY FLUCTUATING BLOOD SUGARS during the initial period of setting insulin dosage (multiple shots per day, each with multiple types of insulin to hopefully provide "peaks" that would coincide with a fixed-time meal schedule), the total disruption of lifestyle, the endless worry. Families have come apart over this; marriages disrupted. The first years of injections never produced "good" results, no matter how much the endocrinologist, over multiple visits, adjusted the dosages. Thousands of finger prick tests; thousands of shots; and still, blood sugars that could fluctuate on a whim. (The term "brittle" is often used to describe this sort of thing, but it's quite common for many with Type 1, particularly children, as they grow and their hormones fluctuate). Huge issue: the worry about low blood sugars, which vary from a minor alarm to an emergency to a life threatening emergency. With Type I, and particularly with shots vs. a pump (but also other factors involved), you're always one step away from this. Type 1 diabetics have died during the night from low blood sugar episodes (rare - but it happens). I spent years either staying up through the middle of the night, working; or waking up at 3 am; to do a finger-prick test while he was sleeping; the constant worry being, going "low", either from insulins peaking at the wrong time, or not having enough food in your system (the advice being, have a snack before bed, so there would always be some digestion going on to offset the insulin). If low, wake him and give him a snack (and then, maybe, stay awake and test in half an hour to make sure blood sugar was rising to a safer level). Similar issues during the day. Sports? Exercise and activity drops blood sugar. How do you know? Test. Many many tests, then sometimes need to eat a snack or have juice in case a quick raise is needed, and then more tests after that. What about during exams? (Stress makes blood sugar drop). What about driving? (Frequent testing with finglrpricks is impractical). Pretty much EVERY PHYSICAL AND MENTAL ACTIVITY affects blood sugar in a Type I diabetic, together with what foods have been eaten, how recently, and how insulin introduced into the body, either with shots or an insulin pump, is interacting. Low blood sugars can come on quickly; can reduce you to a state of "drunken" semi-awareness where you can't properly treat yourself, as an adult. I've seen this first-hand. Many years ago, a friend of mine, an adult with Type 1, had a low blood sugar at work. We were aware of this, but he wasn't. We tried to get some orange juice into him - he couldn't even manage that - we ended up calling 911 and they gave him IV glucose - he remembered little of it afterward. (And this was someone using an insulin pump for dosage, which is far better than shots). If he'd been alone, he could have gone comatose or died. If he'd been driving, even worse. Some diabetics are sensitive enough to feel this coming on, even beyond finger prick testing, but others are unaware and even more danger and in need of more frequent testing. Anyway, not to beat this to death, but the idea that there's little need for constant monitoring (or that it might be harmful... ) for blood glucose in a diabetic, and in particular, for every single Type 1 diabetic ("brittle" or not), is out of touch with reality. For families with Type 1, this has been the holy grail for decades. As I said in an earlier post, this is something that's been dreamed of, and not a single company has been able to bring it to market. The only existing CGM systems are invasive (need to have another "site" on the body, with a sensor under the skin, in addition to the typical insulin pump infusion site), and another expense, and a hassle to use. Every person with Type 1 in the world would want an Apple Watch with a glucose sensing band, if such a thing is ever possible. The ability to instantly detect and alarm based on going low? Constant monitoring at night? During exercise, during the day? And then, the potential to tie the numbers to insulin delivery through an insulin pump, although even without that, constant non-invasive not-expensive not-incovenient monitoring would be a huge health and lifestyle improvement. We know of families with -multiple children- with Type 1. So take all of that and multiply it. As far as Type 2, the benefits are just as important, even though the urgency isn't at the same level. Sudden swings aren't the primary concern, but monitoring blood sugar and keeping within a safe range is still critically important. **** I don't see where any harm comes from this. Everyone with diabetes, Type 1 the most, but Type 2 as well, needs to know what their blood sugars are like; all the time. It can be a short term matter of life and death; it's also a long term matter of health consequences and complications from lows (each one of these, from what we were always told, takes some brain cells out) and highs (damage to fine blood vessels, organs, vision, retinopathy, nerve damage to extremities, loss of limbs from poor control, I could go on and on). I -agree-, though, that healthy individuals don't have anywhere near the same level of need for this. It would be primarily for diabetics, or those pre-disposed to diabetes (there's a genetic component to Type 1), or those who are perhaps borderline Type 2 and need to monitor things. All Type 1 diabetics, in my opinion, are "brittle" to a certain extent - some more than others. Every single person with Type 1 stands to benefit substantially from Apple Watch glucose monitoring if it becomes available. A large percentage of those with Type 2 as well (perhaps up to "most" with Type 2). If you look beyond the numbers of diabetics of both types in the U.S. only (roughly 30 million total, 1.25 million with Type 1) and expand that worldwide (where the %'s of population may be even higher), this is a huge # of people who would benefit from this. This post is awesome - you get it! The lows in the middle of the night or on occasion- sometimes we don't even know what's happening other than how my hubby is feeling. It is a complete disruptor if TC gets this right IMHO
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