Since84
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Post by Since84 on Aug 25, 2017 2:31:14 GMT -8
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Post by Apple II+ on Aug 25, 2017 4:28:14 GMT -8
Tomorrow being August 24 means Tim Cook will vest his annual performance-based stock bonus based on Total Shareholder Return (TSR) for the last three years since 8/25/14. He has earned 100% of it, because TSR puts it well within the top third of S&P 500 companies for that time period. He has earned this award every year since the first one in 2014, and it continues through 2021. Let's see if he earns 100% every year through 2021. Good luck, Tim and all the longs! Nothing yet. I checked the SEC filings, and the pertinent filing for last year is dated August 26. Since August 26 falls on a weekend this year, it may not make the news until next week.
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Post by benoir on Aug 25, 2017 4:59:48 GMT -8
and in other news...Samsung chief gets 5-year prison term for corruption
so there you go...
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Post by rob_london on Aug 25, 2017 5:02:57 GMT -8
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Post by chinacat on Aug 25, 2017 5:58:52 GMT -8
I have been wondering a bit about the upcoming iPhone announcement. Will the iPhone Pro be "One more thing"? Will they be announced together, to highlight the new iPhone/Plus/Pro nomenclature? The "normal" iPhone 7s/iPhone 7s Plus reveal, followed by the "big surprise"?
Thoughts?
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Post by CdnPhoto on Aug 25, 2017 6:09:32 GMT -8
I have been wondering a bit about the upcoming iPhone announcement. Will the iPhone Pro be "One more thing"? Will they be announced together, to highlight the new iPhone/Plus/Pro nomenclature? The "normal" iPhone 7s/iPhone 7s Plus reveal, followed by the "big surprise"? Thoughts? "One more thing..." hasn't been used in a very long time. It should be saved for something that even the rumor mill doesn't know about.
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Post by 4aapl on Aug 25, 2017 7:17:40 GMT -8
and in other news...Samsung chief gets 5-year prison term for corruption so there you go... The CNN article has a bit more info. money.cnn.com/2017/08/25/technology/samsung-verdict-jay-y-lee/index.htmlUnfortunately, it says this has been a rite of passage in that country, and that the former Samsung chief was sentenced to jail twice...and pardoned twice. But, the new President it trying to cut down on corruption, so there is a chance that "this time will be different".
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Post by zzmac on Aug 25, 2017 9:47:45 GMT -8
and in other news...Samsung chief gets 5-year prison term for corruption so there you go... The CNN article has a bit more info. money.cnn.com/2017/08/25/technology/samsung-verdict-jay-y-lee/index.htmlUnfortunately, it says this has been a rite of passage in that country, and that the former Samsung chief was sentenced to jail twice...and pardoned twice. But, the new President it trying to cut down on corruption, so there is a chance that "this time will be different". Sounds like Apple vs Samsung court decisions.
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Post by bud777 on Aug 25, 2017 10:15:28 GMT -8
I am getting interested in compound options. Does anyone have a suggestion on where I can get quotes and tutorials?
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Post by 4aapl on Aug 25, 2017 21:21:55 GMT -8
I am getting interested in compound options. Does anyone have a suggestion on where I can get quotes and tutorials? wikipedia via MacOS - "A compound option or split-fee option is an option on an option. The exercise payoff of a compound option involves the value of another option. A compound option then has two expiration dates and two strike prices." So, are you talking simple spreads ("Jan 160-170 bull call spread"), calendar spreads (Bull Jan 160, bear Dec 150), or something else entirely? I've used bull call spreads a bit, though understand bull put spreads. With each, you can pick from something that needs some good movement to get to but pays off well, or something that is nearly a given but still pays off a little. What are you looking at?
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Post by bud777 on Aug 26, 2017 8:00:05 GMT -8
A compound option is slightly different from a spread. A spread is two options on the same underlying. A compound option is an option on an option. For example, it could be a call on a call . So the underlying on one part is the stock and the underlying on the other part is the option. If you wanted, I guess you could do a compound option on both sides of a spread, but that makes my head hurt.
I wanted to explore them a little but I cannot find anywhere on the web that has quotes.
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Post by 4aapl on Aug 26, 2017 11:42:13 GMT -8
A compound option is slightly different from a spread. A spread is two options on the same underlying. A compound option is an option on an option. For example, it could be a call on a call . So the underlying on one part is the stock and the underlying on the other part is the option. If you wanted, I guess you could do a compound option on both sides of a spread, but that makes my head hurt. I wanted to explore them a little but I cannot find anywhere on the web that has quotes. In what type of market are you interested in them, and what is your purpose for wanting to look into them? I'm just trying to understand them. I guess it would be an attempt to cut out a lot of the current cost of the option if you think the option price will change a lot in short order, positively or negatively. I didn't see anything about them in the option book by Nateburg that I have, and several places like Investopedia just give brief info, but then say "This type of option usually exists for currency or fixed-income markets, where an uncertainty exists regarding the option's risk protection capabilities. The advantages of compound options are that they allow for large leverage and they are cheaper than straight options. However, if both options are exercised, the total premium will be more than the premium on a single option." Personally, unless it is really common in a certain area it is likely thinly traded. And if it's thinly traded, the bid/ask spread is going to be higher. That's something that has shrunk considerably with AAPL, and then AAPL options, over the past 20 years. While it doesn't matter as much for a longer term investment, it could matter more on a shorter term thing, like an option on an option. (I'd take a look at Interactive Brokers in the currency markets. It's not something I know about, but it seems like they also go after the more complex things when aiming at the pro market)
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Post by bud777 on Aug 26, 2017 13:25:45 GMT -8
I am looking at them as a way to limit risk when selling LEAPS. I am sure that there are other ways to do it, but I just wanted to understand them
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Post by 4aapl on Aug 26, 2017 19:39:57 GMT -8
I am looking at them as a way to limit risk when selling LEAPS. I am sure that there are other ways to do it, but I just wanted to understand them I'm guessing you are talking about writing covered leaps. Are you looking for downside protection if the stock falls a lot, or upside protection if the stock gains much more than you expect? I missed out on part of a good run a few years back, by writing covered July calls on the bounce after January earnings. 5 years ago? 6? Whenever there was a run from maybe 320 to around 420, and I wrote covered calls somewhere in the 360-380 range. I could look it up, but some mistakes don't need to have their details dredged up. Ahhh, then back when I bought some BP, which turned out to only be halfway down to the bottom (60 to 45 to sub 30), I wrote covered calls. But the stock kept going down, and has only occasionally recovered to 45. 6-7% dividend isn't bad, but it's not what they used to have (12%?) and it would be nice to have some appreciation in the past 7-8 years. Either way, I get it. If I wrote those AAPL covered calls for 6 or 8 or something, it would have been wise to buy a call further out for $1. But, OTOH with trying to diversify now, I will probably just write some covered calls again....and probably not buy a call further out. But now that you mention it, I'll at least consider it.
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Post by audiosculpture12 on Sept 25, 2017 6:31:21 GMT -8
Ignoring the lack of bad actual reviews - i am experience bugs in iOS11 on a 7s, and certainly the new iTunes update has a few reaaalllly annoying bugs as well. C'mon Apple.
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