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Post by mark on Sept 12, 2017 16:07:39 GMT -8
But opening and closing apps is used FAR MORE OFTEN than control center!!!! True, but both can currently be done one-handed. Not the case for the X. What does "currently" have to do with it? We're talking about a model of iPhone without a "HOME" button. You have "swipe up" and "swipe down", pick one for HOME function and pick one for "control center" function. Which would you pick?
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Post by tuffett on Sept 12, 2017 16:13:32 GMT -8
One other surprise/disappointment for me was the AR discussion. I expected that they would have worked closely with some key developers to have example apps with a bit broader range of uses. I mean, to me Augmented Reality offers more than virtual worlds projected on a table top. Heck, I find the virtual tape measure to be more exciting in some ways. The glimpse at MLB looked like a good use of AR...basically the "tried and true" idea seen in movies like Terminator, with added info overlaid. Street names shown when driving. Identifying plants and animals. Even just names of people you see (and should remember), but in a way where you aren't staring at your phone while saying hi. At some point it could be Siri whispering in your ear. Finger print authentication has worked well for me, even with my old 5S. It doesn't like wet hands, or hands dried out from the cold. And if I get paint on them or rip up my finger a little while working, it's unhappy. That sounds like a lot of issues, but those are the edge cases, only 1-2% of the time. The question is how well facial recognition will work with some of those edge cases. While it might work ok with minimal sun glasses, what about ski goggles? It wouldn't like a face mask. Will Ti sunscreen affect it, or a lot of dirt or sweat? A small cut on the face, or acne? It will be interesting to see how consistent it is...expecting that Craig's issue today will be fixed. But I wouldn't mind having an option, on the finger print or facial recognition, to have multiple settings of security to make it less strict for people that don't need the maximum security. I'll probably go with an 8, though my wife is talking about a X. I do like that they fit more screen in a size only a little larger than the 8. At the same time, the pixel density went up, so am I going to have to bring it closer to my face, or zoom in more often? It looks like the retinal display of years ago has long since been surpassed, but my eyes have only gotten older. Reading a few older articles, it sounds like ~350 ppi at 25cm is about the best most with good unaided eyes can see. Even if I hold it at 22cm (~9 inches), that's still a max of 400. What good is the X's extra pixel density? The screen might be better in other ways, but I'm not getting the increased pixel density (450) over the 8 (326) or 8S (401) unless it's just a numbers war with the competition, or this is just the only option that is being made by the manufacturer. Despite their original marketing, pixels are definitely visible on the current Retina display. I'm looking forward to higher resolution.
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Post by pauls on Sept 12, 2017 16:18:04 GMT -8
fwiw, I saw a tweet from someone at the event (forgot who, now) who mentioned that Control Center could also be summoned by swiping up from corners.
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Post by tuffett on Sept 12, 2017 16:31:36 GMT -8
True, but both can currently be done one-handed. Not the case for the X. What does "currently" have to do with it? We're talking about a model of iPhone without a "HOME" button. You have "swipe up" and "swipe down", pick one for HOME function and pick one for "control center" function. Which would you pick? Currently has to do with it because it's how I currently use my phone, and I like it. Changing it is a negative to my user experience. Of course, the trade-off in this case is worth it, but that doesn't mean there aren't better ways to solve the problem. Swipe up and swipe down are not the only options - that is very narrow-minded thinking. For example, you could swipe up from the left side for one function and the right side for another. Or: fwiw, I saw a tweet from someone at the event (forgot who, now) who mentioned that Control Center could also be summoned by swiping up from corners. Great news if true.
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Post by mark on Sept 12, 2017 18:03:02 GMT -8
What does "currently" have to do with it? We're talking about a model of iPhone without a "HOME" button. You have "swipe up" and "swipe down", pick one for HOME function and pick one for "control center" function. Which would you pick? Currently has to do with it because it's how I currently use my phone, and I like it. Changing it is a negative to my user experience. Of course, the trade-off in this case is worth it, but that doesn't mean there aren't better ways to solve the problem. Swipe up and swipe down are not the only options - that is very narrow-minded thinking. For example, you could swipe up from the left side for one function and the right side for another. I commented about this elsewhere today. Originally I was planning perhaps to keep my iPhone 7plus AND get an iPhone X, but there is no way I could carry two iPhones with such different UIs on a regular basis. It's bad enough that I already currently carry an Android and an iPhone.
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Post by 4aapl on Sept 12, 2017 19:32:07 GMT -8
I commented about this elsewhere today. Originally I was planning perhaps to keep my iPhone 7plus AND get an iPhone X, but there is no way I could carry two iPhones with such different UIs on a regular basis. It's bad enough that I already currently carry an Android and an iPhone. This isn't the first time Apple has changed a major UI feature in a low option device. With the iPod, the result of double clicking the center button changed, I think from going to the star listing to putting it on an instant playlist. This was also around the same time they got rid of firewire for the dock connector (after I bought several firewire cables), all to make it more mainstream-able. Either way, while I have fairly good sized hands, I'm able to swipe up or down on my dinky 5S. Using a case from a 7, it looks like I should be able to do it there too. A X is only a tiny bit bigger than a 7 or 8. As far as getting used to it, you'd be surprised. Back when I was at Apple, I got tendinitis in my lower arm, from working on the same setup for 16 hrs a day between work and home....though in retrospect specifically likely due to the scroll wheel. So I switched to mousing with the left hand. It took about 2 weeks (incidentally, switching to brushing your teeth with your non-dominant hand is something they suggest for brain exercises such as keeping dementia at bay), but I got it down. But then, tendinitis in the left arm. So then I switched to using a pen tablet, first right handed, and then left. Now, it sucks at first, but after 2 weeks, you really get the dexterity down, to a pixel basis. If you're more worried about picking up a new UI, than physically being able to do it, I'm pretty sure you'll have a swipe down in short order. It's different, just like not having a headphone port (I see the converters are still being included with the 8 and X). But while it seems like an issue, it's more of a psychological speed bump and it won't be an issue for long.
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Post by rob_london on Sept 12, 2017 23:31:08 GMT -8
FT graphic showing AAPL price action around the time of iPhone launches:
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