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Post by Since84 on Oct 11, 2017 2:34:35 GMT -8
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Post by phoebear611 on Oct 11, 2017 3:26:23 GMT -8
I thought Apple was your Dad or Granddad's company - not for the youngsters they said. Androids are everywhere and gaining marketshare they said. Well they were wrong! From PED this morning: Survey: A record 78% of U.S. teens own iPhones
In the 54th semi-annual Piper Jaffray survey, Android was a distant second at 13%. From a note to clients by analyst Michael Olson that landed in my inbox Wednesday:
Apple's share of smartphone ownership increased for the fifth consecutive Piper Jaffray Taking Stock With Teens survey. Of >6,000 respondents, 78% have an iPhone, the highest percentage we have seen in our survey (up from 76% in Spring-17). The iPhone may have room to move higher with 82% of teens anticipating their next phone to be an iPhone, also the highest ever recorded in our survey (up from 81% in Spring-17). Android was the runner up with 13%, flat from the spring.
The Apple Watch was the top smartwatch among teens, garnering 12%, with the Samsung Gear next on the list at 2%. About 17% of teens plan to purchase an Apple watch in the next six months, up from 13% in spring. Overall, we view the Teen Survey data as a sign that Apple's place as the dominant device brand among teens remains intact.
Methodology:
• More than 6,000 teens, average age 15.9. • 46% female, 54% male. • 2 income groups: upper-income ($100K household income) and average-income ($55,000)
Olson maintains his Overweight rating and $196 price target.
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Post by aaplcrazie on Oct 11, 2017 5:25:27 GMT -8
Phoebear,
I was in my Local Store not to long ago and overheard a Teenager definitively announce to her Clique that She was waiting to get The X.
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Post by mark on Oct 11, 2017 5:52:29 GMT -8
I thought Apple was your Dad or Granddad's company - not for the youngsters they said. Androids are everywhere and gaining marketshare they said. Well they were wrong! From PED this morning: Survey: A record 78% of U.S. teens own iPhones
In the 54th semi-annual Piper Jaffray survey, Android was a distant second at 13%.From a note to clients by analyst Michael Olson that landed in my inbox Wednesday: Apple's share of smartphone ownership increased for the fifth consecutive Piper Jaffray Taking Stock With Teens survey. Of >6,000 respondents, 78% have an iPhone, the highest percentage we have seen in our survey (up from 76% in Spring-17). The iPhone may have room to move higher with 82% of teens anticipating their next phone to be an iPhone, also the highest ever recorded in our survey (up from 81% in Spring-17). Android was the runner up with 13%, flat from the spring. The Apple Watch was the top smartwatch among teens, garnering 12%, with the Samsung Gear next on the list at 2%. About 17% of teens plan to purchase an Apple watch in the next six months, up from 13% in spring. Overall, we view the Teen Survey data as a sign that Apple's place as the dominant device brand among teens remains intact.
Methodology: • More than 6,000 teens, average age 15.9. • 46% female, 54% male. • 2 income groups: upper-income ($100K household income) and average-income ($55,000) Olson maintains his Overweight rating and $196 price target. We have a few teens, and among their cohorts, anything other than an iPhone is anathema. Really. I got them (the 2 eldest ones) Windows phones (because they were cheap) and they used them for a few months and hated them, I mean despised them, those phones were a disaster and horrible to use (I also had one at the time, in addition to my iPhone of course). So I upgraded them to Android phones (nice LG ones that my carrier subsidized) and pretty quickly they disliked those as well. Later on I discovered that one of the reasons for that dislike was because "everyone" else had iPhones. Even later than that I discovered that "everyone" REALLY meant everyone (other than 1 boy in their class that stuck with Android and still does today). In the end iOS won the battle - they have 2 iPhone 6S phones, one iPhone SE, and two iPads. The younger teens will be getting phones pretty soon as well, and I'm quite sure that I won't be wasting their time on non-iOS devices this time around.
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Post by phoebear611 on Oct 11, 2017 6:35:09 GMT -8
My son in law had the Samsung - then he missed a few friend as well as family get-togethers. We would show him he was on the list of people on the text but he wouldn’t always get it. He gave up and switched.
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Post by CdnPhoto on Oct 11, 2017 6:41:18 GMT -8
I was at a friend's place a couple of weeks ago. She was on the phone with her 14yr old son discussing him wanting an iPad Pro. He couldn't justify the Pro over the regular iPad. She said the if he got the Pro, he wouldn't get an iPhone later. For fun, she said he should just get an Android. He didn't say anything, he just hung up. They decided to fix the screen on his iPad Air and get the iPhone later.
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Post by CdnPhoto on Oct 11, 2017 7:19:56 GMT -8
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Post by rezonate on Oct 11, 2017 9:14:30 GMT -8
Apple Watch series 3 announced about a month ago. Lots of commentary, but I think the reporters and commentators continue to miss a key element.
Building cellular into the watch makes it possible for Apple to move the watch configuration control panel off the iPhone. This is a floodgates moment equivalent to adding USB to the iPod (formerly just Firewire) or launching iTunes on the PC (formerly just Mac). Apple can release an app for Android at any time to mirror the settings app, but *more important* (in my opinion) is putting the Apple Watch configuration into your iCloud / AppleID. Just as with the iPod, Apple wants to be able to sell the Apple Watch independent of any other devices, as a completely stand-alone unit. Buy Apple Watch and manage settings from any smartphone on the market or in any browser.
They solved the "remote device management" issue once with iPod, and just dropped another seismic shift with very little fanfare. And nobody picked up on it. Or I missed something.
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Post by longsince98 on Oct 11, 2017 9:19:47 GMT -8
Apple Watch series 3 announced about a month ago. Lots of commentary, but I think the reporters and commentators continue to miss a key element. Building cellular into the watch makes it possible for Apple to move the watch configuration control panel off the iPhone. This is a floodgates moment equivalent to adding USB to the iPod (formerly just Firewire) or launching iTunes on the PC (formerly just Mac). Apple can release an app for Android at any time to mirror the settings app, but *more important* (in my opinion) is putting the Apple Watch configuration into your iCloud / AppleID. Just as with the iPod, Apple wants to be able to sell the Apple Watch independent of any other devices, as a completely stand-alone unit. Buy Apple Watch and manage settings from any smartphone on the market or in any browser. They solved the "remote device management" issue once with iPod, and just dropped another seismic shift with very little fanfare. And nobody picked up on it. Or I missed something. One of the more astute and forward thinking observations I've read on this board. I'd bet you're right on that and that it's in the works. It would indeed be seismic!
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Post by sponge on Oct 11, 2017 11:35:47 GMT -8
Apple Watch series 3 announced about a month ago. Lots of commentary, but I think the reporters and commentators continue to miss a key element. Building cellular into the watch makes it possible for Apple to move the watch configuration control panel off the iPhone. This is a floodgates moment equivalent to adding USB to the iPod (formerly just Firewire) or launching iTunes on the PC (formerly just Mac). Apple can release an app for Android at any time to mirror the settings app, but *more important* (in my opinion) is putting the Apple Watch configuration into your iCloud / AppleID. Just as with the iPod, Apple wants to be able to sell the Apple Watch independent of any other devices, as a completely stand-alone unit. Buy Apple Watch and manage settings from any smartphone on the market or in any browser. They solved the "remote device management" issue once with iPod, and just dropped another seismic shift with very little fanfare. And nobody picked up on it. Or I missed something. I see where you are coming from, but I don't see Apple separating the Apple Watch from iPhone. What makes Apple Watch cool is that it mirrors the iPhone. It adds to the ecosystem. Allowing it to sync to a cheap Android instead of an iPhone, dilutes the whole (they work together) theme. The watch is an addition to iPhone and it will continue to add value to being part of the iOS family as they add features. Once the health related tracking such as blood sugar, blood pressure, oxygen level, temperature, electrolytes. and few other come online, it will open the flood gates towards Apple Watch, iPhone and whole iOS.
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Post by longsince98 on Oct 11, 2017 11:44:14 GMT -8
Apple Watch series 3 announced about a month ago. Lots of commentary, but I think the reporters and commentators continue to miss a key element. Building cellular into the watch makes it possible for Apple to move the watch configuration control panel off the iPhone. This is a floodgates moment equivalent to adding USB to the iPod (formerly just Firewire) or launching iTunes on the PC (formerly just Mac). Apple can release an app for Android at any time to mirror the settings app, but *more important* (in my opinion) is putting the Apple Watch configuration into your iCloud / AppleID. Just as with the iPod, Apple wants to be able to sell the Apple Watch independent of any other devices, as a completely stand-alone unit. Buy Apple Watch and manage settings from any smartphone on the market or in any browser. They solved the "remote device management" issue once with iPod, and just dropped another seismic shift with very little fanfare. And nobody picked up on it. Or I missed something. I see where you are coming from, but I don't see Apple separating the Apple Watch from iPhone. What makes Apple Watch cool is that it mirrors the iPhone. It adds to the ecosystem. Allowing it to sync to a cheap Android instead of an iPhone, dilutes the whole (they work together) theme. The watch is an addition to iPhone and it will continue to add value to being part of the iOS family as they add features. Once the health related tracking such as blood sugar, blood pressure, oxygen level, temperature, electrolytes. and few other come online, it will open the flood gates towards Apple Watch, iPhone and whole iOS. They still get that plus a Trojan horse into the apple ecosystem if they introduce the cellular for android. All speculative of course, and I'm sure it's a decision they struggle with.
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Post by rezonate on Oct 11, 2017 13:22:28 GMT -8
Sure sure; I don’t profess to know or understand how Apple makes strategic decisions about market placement. My thought is that the Apple Watch series 3 makes it *possible* to de-couple watch from iPhone at any time. All that remains is software. Figure out a way to securely authenticate your watch to your iCloud account and all settings and configuration happen in a browser. Health data can already be backed up to iCloud, iCloud/Siri is machine learning all about you already. Apple indeed gains some advantage with the hardware lock, just as they did with iPod locked to FireWire/Mac. But with services extracting more of our wallets every day, not for long.
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