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Post by ono on Aug 8, 2018 11:17:55 GMT -8
I'm happy with ProBoards and accessing it from iOS using the Tapatalk app.
A new AFB board with moderators and admin would be fine.
To help rarely active members find the new one, there may be a way to redirect from this existing board to a new one.
To answer crispin, I'm not a member of MacRumors nor Ninja Traders. If nobody else is, I can join Mac Rumors to see if I can send a PM to that lovemyipad user.
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Post by JDSoCal on Aug 8, 2018 11:19:52 GMT -8
CNN/Tech has Tim Cook sends Mark Zuckerberg scrambling. Freedom of speech means the freedom of others to say what I do not want to hear. These moves to ban 'offensive' speech are troubling -- even though I loathe Alex Jones. Indeed, the wide dissemination of foolish thought is often the best way to expose it. Sunlight is a great disinfectant. I'm uncomfortable with any large entity, whether government, church, corporation or anything else, determining what we can hear, see, or say. I don't want to get political here. I had always thought freedom of speech meant that the government couldn't stop you. On private platforms, or in private places, that doesn't apply. Am I wrong in my interoperation of the Amendment? Nobody mentioned the First Amendment. In addition to the Constitution, there is a culture and tradition of free speech in this country. The socials are private entities that advertised for years that they were open platforms that believed in free speech. Zuck called Facebook “a social utility” and “more like a government than a traditional company.” Same with Twitter. Then this Russian ad canard came along ($100,000 in Facebook ads swung an election in which $1B was spent? Puh-leeze. Show me 10 people who voted a certain way because of those ads) is allowing some left-leaning socials to justify some massive political censorship under the guise of fake news and "hate speech," whatever that is. You build an audience in the billions claiming openness and free expression, and then bait-and-switch?
I think it will backfire, as alternatives will come along, and hurt the Facebooks and Twitters. Not just with users, which they must grow every year to satisfy Wall Street, but also with government regulations. California has long extended free speech protections to "public square" areas like malls and supermarkets ("Marsh doctrine"). Facebook has a lot more market share from a platform perspective than the front doors of supermarkets. And the Supreme Court recently ruled unanimously that a state ban on sex offenders using social media violated the First Amendment. And if Facebook should be deemed a monopoly, it could be regulated under antitrust laws. America has always been about more speech, not less. A marketplace of ideas. Free speech is the one thing that really sets America apart from the world, that we don't regulate content - especially not in politics, for God's sake! Remember that the media was fawning over Obama's use of social media in 2008 & 2012. But when Trump uses Facebook and wins, it's a CENSORSHIP EMERGENCY! I'm usually an anti-regulation extremist. But I'd consider supporting laws that required socials and Big Tech not to discriminate based on viewpoint. Now, if you were a tech company CEO, would you prefer 1) government regulations or 2) voluntary viewpoint neutrality? Honestly, how DARE Tim Cook think he has a right to decide what I can watch or read, so long as it is legal under the First Amendment (not kiddie porn or defamatory or a DCMA violation, etc.). Isn't part of privacy not intruding into what I consume?
Just think about your viewpoint being censored before you take a firm position on this. Also consider your position on freedom of association and private bakeries and wedding cakes...
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Post by ono on Aug 8, 2018 11:20:56 GMT -8
Today, I'm again impressed with AAPL resilience in the face of yesterday's trade war article.
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Post by BillH on Aug 8, 2018 11:27:44 GMT -8
I don't want to get political here. I had always thought freedom of speech meant that the government couldn't stop you. On private platforms, or in private places, that doesn't apply. Am I wrong in my interoperation of the Amendment? Nobody mentioned the First Amendment. In addition to the Constitution, there is a culture and tradition of free speech in this country. The socials are private entities that advertised for years that they were open platforms that believed in free speech. Zuck called Facebook “a social utility” and “more like a government than a traditional company.” Same with Twitter. Then this Russian ad canard came along ($100,000 in Facebook ads swung an election in which $1B was spent? Puh-leeze. Show me 10 people who voted a certain way because of those ads) is allowing some left-leaning socials to justify some massive political censorship under the guise of fake news and "hate speech," whatever that is. You build an audience in the billions claiming openness and free expression, and then bait-and-switch?
I think it will backfire, as alternatives will come along, and hurt the Facebooks and Twitters. Not just with users, which they must grow every year to satisfy Wall Street, but also with government regulations. California has long extended free speech protections to "public square" areas like malls and supermarkets ("Marsh doctrine"). Facebook has a lot more market share from a platform perspective than the front doors of supermarkets. And the Supreme Court recently ruled unanimously that a state ban on sex offenders using social media violated the First Amendment. And if Facebook should be deemed a monopoly, it could be regulated under antitrust laws. America has always been about more speech, not less. A marketplace of ideas. Free speech is the one thing that really sets America apart from the world, that we don't regulate content - especially not in politics, for God's sake! Remember that the media was fawning over Obama's use of social media in 2008 & 2012. But when Trump uses Facebook and wins, it's a CENSORSHIP EMERGENCY! I'm usually an anti-regulation extremist. But I'd consider supporting laws that required socials and Big Tech not to discriminate based on viewpoint. Now, if you were a tech company CEO, would you prefer 1) government regulations or 2) voluntary viewpoint neutrality? Honestly, how DARE Tim Cook think he has a right to decide what I can watch or read, so long as it is legal under the First Amendment (not kiddie porn or defamatory or a DCMA violation, etc.). Isn't part of privacy not intruding into what I consume?
Just think about your viewpoint being censored before you take a firm position on this. Also consider your position on freedom of association and private bakeries and wedding cakes... Nothing new here. They don't allow porn either. Both are well satisfied by Safari.
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Post by ono on Aug 8, 2018 11:41:33 GMT -8
I believe Apple pulled 4 or 5 episodes/podcast. They've left others and haven't taken down the app. So Apple hasn't "banned" as some reports are indicating. I think the content of those removed from iTunes is still available elsewhere.
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Post by benoir on Aug 8, 2018 11:44:44 GMT -8
Tim Cook is doing a fine job on so many fronts.
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Post by stub on Aug 8, 2018 12:33:30 GMT -8
I vote stay here, probably best with a fresh board. This may have been addressed, but is it possible to retain the existing board as is for archive purposes, should anyone want to relive the triumphs and absurdities of our shared history as AAPL investors? I personally have never had a need to search back dated threads and posts. I do think it would be worth moving to a new page for the ability to add new contributors, and have some chance of rectifying some kind of forum black swan event-- hacking, loss of hosting, etc. The thing I have a hard time understanding-- how the hell can any of the prolific old-timers resist not peeking in to the the current day to day as Apple crests the 1T mark? I'm looking at you, Red Shirted Ensign! +1 +1
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Post by ono on Aug 8, 2018 14:45:16 GMT -8
I just saw another headline that Apple "booted" Infowars. No, they did not. See Apps and episodes. Apple took a few episodes down that crossed their T&Cs, in their assessment. Ok, worthy of some discussion, but can we keep it lower case?
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Post by benoir on Aug 8, 2018 15:39:39 GMT -8
I just saw another headline that Apple "booted" Infowars. No, they did not. See Apps and episodes. Apple took a few episodes down that crossed their T&Cs, in their assessment. Ok, worthy of some discussion, but can we keep it lower case? I don’t see how Apple’s policy differs from Infowar’s. Extract for Infowar’s Terms of Service as follows: Remember: you are a guest here. It is not censorship if you violate the rules and your post is deleted. All civilizations have rules and if you violate them you can expect to be ostracized from the tribe.
If it’s okay for Infowars to delete content then it must be okay for Apple to draw a line.
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Post by Luckychoices on Aug 8, 2018 15:43:45 GMT -8
CNN/Tech has Tim Cook sends Mark Zuckerberg scrambling. Freedom of speech means the freedom of others to say what I do not want to hear. These moves to ban 'offensive' speech are troubling -- even though I loathe Alex Jones. Indeed, the wide dissemination of foolish thought is often the best way to expose it. Sunlight is a great disinfectant. I'm uncomfortable with any large entity, whether government, church, corporation or anything else, determining what we can hear, see, or say. I certainly agree with you about Alex Jones. He claimed for years that the 2012 mass shooting at Sandy Hook Elementary School was a hoax. Apparently Jones now admits the shooting occurred, but says his claims were free speech. I came across this information online and I'm assuming its not fake news: The parents of six-year-old Noah Pozner, who was killed in the Sandy Hook massacre, say Jones' followers have tormented them with death threats, forcing them to move seven times. They're seeking more than $1 million in damages. "They've continuously been harassed by a number of different people believing that Sandy Hook was all pre-planned and it was there to kind of shock the public into supporting restrictions to the 2nd Amendment," said attorney Bill Ogden, who represents Noah Pozner's parents.
BTW, for those who may *agree* with Alex Jones' original claim regarding the Sandy Hook shooting, here's a site you'll want to visit: Dead again: Sandy Hook child victim Noah Pozner also killed in Pakistan Taliban shooting! by Dr. Eowyn. Please make sure to browse through some of the 109 comments to really appreciate the folks who follow Alex Jones and his ilk. Here's some additional light reading: Mallick: Why Newtown victim Noah Pozner had an open coffinSo just based on what little I've heard directly from the very few Alex Jones videos I've watched, and from the despicable comments he made regarding the Sandy Hook murders, where that one murder victim, 6 year-old Noah Pozner, was shot 11 times, having his jaw and left hand blown off, I'll try not to get too upset with his disappearance from some social media sites. I admit to being more concerned about so many news organizations being labeled fake news and I wonder why that's not something that would provoke the outrage I've seen on AFB today. Nearly half of Republicans think Trump should be able to close news outlets: pollI happen to be an Independent but its worrisome to me that 44% of Republicans and 12% of Democrats in a poll believe that the president should be able to shutter news outlets for "bad behavior". Twenty-nine percent, nearly a third, of the more than 1,000 people polled said they believed the news media was the enemy of the American people, a phrase that was coined and popularized by President Donald Trump. That number jumps to 48 percent if you just examine Republicans surveyed.
So, please click on that last link to watch the video where the media is called, "Fake, fake disgusting news" and let me know why Alex Jones is getting so much attention today.
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Post by ono on Aug 8, 2018 15:49:19 GMT -8
Thanks, Great info. I don't see moderating and curation as censorship. Newspaper and magazine editors have long performed this. New cast producers too.
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Post by macster on Aug 8, 2018 21:27:06 GMT -8
CNN/Tech has Tim Cook sends Mark Zuckerberg scrambling. Freedom of speech means the freedom of others to say what I do not want to hear. These moves to ban 'offensive' speech are troubling -- even though I loathe Alex Jones. Indeed, the wide dissemination of foolish thought is often the best way to expose it. Sunlight is a great disinfectant. I'm uncomfortable with any large entity, whether government, church, corporation or anything else, determining what we can hear, see, or say. I certainly agree with you about Alex Jones. He claimed for years that the 2012 mass shooting at Sandy Hook Elementary School was a hoax. Apparently Jones now admits the shooting occurred, but says his claims were free speech. I came across this information online and I'm assuming its not fake news: The parents of six-year-old Noah Pozner, who was killed in the Sandy Hook massacre, say Jones' followers have tormented them with death threats, forcing them to move seven times. They're seeking more than $1 million in damages. "They've continuously been harassed by a number of different people believing that Sandy Hook was all pre-planned and it was there to kind of shock the public into supporting restrictions to the 2nd Amendment," said attorney Bill Ogden, who represents Noah Pozner's parents.
BTW, for those who may *agree* with Alex Jones' original claim regarding the Sandy Hook shooting, here's a site you'll want to visit: Dead again: Sandy Hook child victim Noah Pozner also killed in Pakistan Taliban shooting! by Dr. Eowyn. Please make sure to browse through some of the 109 comments to really appreciate the folks who follow Alex Jones and his ilk. Here's some additional light reading: Mallick: Why Newtown victim Noah Pozner had an open coffinSo just based on what little I've heard directly from the very few Alex Jones videos I've watched, and from the despicable comments he made regarding the Sandy Hook murders, where that one murder victim, 6 year-old Noah Pozner, was shot 11 times, having his jaw and left hand blown off, I'll try not to get too upset with his disappearance from some social media sites. I admit to being more concerned about so many news organizations being labeled fake news and I wonder why that's not something that would provoke the outrage I've seen on AFB today. Nearly half of Republicans think Trump should be able to close news outlets: pollI happen to be an Independent but its worrisome to me that 44% of Republicans and 12% of Democrats in a poll believe that the president should be able to shutter news outlets for "bad behavior". Twenty-nine percent, nearly a third, of the more than 1,000 people polled said they believed the news media was the enemy of the American people, a phrase that was coined and popularized by President Donald Trump. That number jumps to 48 percent if you just examine Republicans surveyed.
So, please click on that last link to watch the video where the media is called, "Fake, fake disgusting news" and let me know why Alex Jones is getting so much attention today. You can be liberal and independent at the same time. We like news reports that favor our bias more than not. Journalism is about truth, fairness and facts. Reporters/News nets that color their reporting with bias is fake news. Clear as a bell and “the enemy of the people”. Here is one example. The President was saying there are 7 US Steel plants opening up in the country. The leftist press, blogs and twitterphere were shouting Trump lied. Fact-check and Politifact said the US Steel Corp. is not opening 7 steel mills and said the President lied. But still the President said the truth because he knew of 7 steel mills in the works which 2 or 3 are US Steel Corp plants. There are many US Steel mills opening up or in the works. Here is just one........ bigriversteel.com/news/
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Post by benoir on Aug 8, 2018 22:43:07 GMT -8
“The enemy of the people”.... because news is coloured with bias??? Are you for real? Clearly you have a coloured opinion. Does that make you an enemy of the people?
Everything that have ever been uttered or written is coloured by that person’s perspective.
Everything that any politician has uttered, tweeted, is especially coloured... it’s called spin. if you think Trump does not use spin/bias/colour/alternate facts then you are blindly tagging along.
Journalist on the whole are not the enemy of the people, that’s just inflamatory bullshit. They are human beings doing their job. Both sides of the political divide spin their story.
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Post by macster on Aug 9, 2018 4:09:30 GMT -8
“The enemy of the people”.... because news is coloured with bias??? Are you for real? Clearly you have a coloured opinion. Does that make you an enemy of the people? Everything that have ever been uttered or written is coloured by that person’s perspective. Everything that any politician has uttered, tweeted, is especially coloured... it’s called spin. if you think Trump does not use spin/bias/colour/alternate facts then you are blindly tagging along. Journalist on the whole are not the enemy of the people, that’s just inflamatory bullshit. They are human beings doing their job. Both sides of the political divide spin their story. Wow just wow. We are not talking about Literature or entertainment coloring opinion. I thought I made it clear. In a free society the press has a responsibility. The MSM shows a video of a US President saluting the NOKO General and fail to supply color that the NOKO General saluted first. My neighbors who watch the evening news comes over to me the next day and says well now, what do you think of your president now heheh? I said WTH are you talking about. After years of lies and deception watching just a few mostly left leaning networks they promptly vote their programmed gray matter. A dumbed down electorate is no different than living in a Nation where the free flow of information is sponsored by the government. Ex. China and Russia. In the US some 20 + years ago we saw the rise of Fox News to counter this attack on the free flow of information. Now we have a few powerful tech companies in position to control information and it’s happening in real time. Who has oversight? Congress. If the left had control of Congress and the White House we would not have learned about the corruption in our DOJ, FBI, Fisa court and so on. It’s gotten so bad this will be the norm from now on. The News Media in a free society has a responsibility to report the facts and leave the opinions to the opinions page. Talk shows are so devoid of balance it’s obviously ridiculous. Day in and day out negative deceitful lies have hurt our beloved and we bitch here on the forum about it all the time. Yet when it comes to politics these same people accept it because it fits your ideology. Like it or not I’m out of here. Counter post galore but I’m done. And please keep your leftist politics off our board like it’s always left leaning posters starting these fights.
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Post by benoir on Aug 9, 2018 7:36:53 GMT -8
“The enemy of the people”.... because news is coloured with bias??? Are you for real? Clearly you have a coloured opinion. Does that make you an enemy of the people? Everything that have ever been uttered or written is coloured by that person’s perspective. Everything that any politician has uttered, tweeted, is especially coloured... it’s called spin. if you think Trump does not use spin/bias/colour/alternate facts then you are blindly tagging along. Journalist on the whole are not the enemy of the people, that’s just inflamatory bullshit. They are human beings doing their job. Both sides of the political divide spin their story. Wow just wow. We are not talking about Literature or entertainment coloring opinion. I thought I made it clear. In a free society the press has a responsibility. The MSM shows a video of a US President saluting the NOKO General and fail to supply color that the NOKO General saluted first. My neighbors who watch the evening news comes over to me the next day and says well now, what do you think of your president now heheh? I said WTH are you talking about. After years of lies and deception watching just a few mostly left leaning networks they promptly vote their programmed gray matter. A dumbed down electorate is no different than living in a Nation where the free flow of information is sponsored by the government. Ex. China and Russia. In the US some 20 + years ago we saw the rise of Fox News to counter this attack on the free flow of information. Now we have a few powerful tech companies in position to control information and it’s happening in real time. Who has oversight? Congress. If the left had control of Congress and the White House we would not have learned about the corruption in our DOJ, FBI, Fisa court and so on. It’s gotten so bad this will be the norm from now on. The News Media in a free society has a responsibility to report the facts and leave the opinions to the opinions page. Talk shows are so devoid of balance it’s obviously ridiculous. Day in and day out negative deceitful lies have hurt our beloved and we bitch here on the forum about it all the time. Yet when it comes to politics these same people accept it because it fits your ideology. Like it or not I’m out of here. Counter post galore but I’m done. And please keep your leftist politics off our board like it’s always left leaning posters starting these fights. Macster Well, um no, it was JD that started it when he politicised his post. You just don’t like it when there is a counterpoint view. My view is that the characterisation of the press as ‘the enemy of the state’ is extreme and normally associated with that of authoritarian states. BTW this is not a ‘fight’ it’s an argument where our points of view on this matter don’t align. Let me state the I am not your enemy... just like the press is not really your enemy. Trump just can’t handle scrutiny and his way of dealing with it is to characterise the press as the enemy and anything that is critical of him or his presidency as ‘Fake news’. There are certainly problems with the press but by and large I believe a majority of professional journalist do a good job. And just as there a good jounalist on the progressive and conservative sides of the political divide there are bad journalist(conspiracy theorist et al) too. There is a lot of junk media too - media that is superficial, lacking news worthiness and so on. As for AAPL reporting, most of what we get annoyed by, is click bait from ameture hacks. And analysist aren’t real journalist, they’re just trying to manipulate the price to suit their client base. The rise of Fox News to counter the left?... more like Murdoch trying to make a shit-tonne of money and set his own addenda. As for Trumps salute, is it protocol to return salute a subordinate of you enemy? (real question...not rhetorical). As in did he really need to do it? Cause it wasn’t a good look. How do you know that I’m a ’leftist’. Some of my views belong on the right hand side of the political spectrum. For instance I subscribe to the notion of personal responsibility - that’s why I invested in APPL. So it’s okay for, say, you and JD to post ideas of you political persuasion but my bias not welcome here. Pluralism a bit too difficult? As for corruption in the FBI etc, who told you that...Was it Trump? Trump is not a conventional politician and therefore there is a legitimate interest in questioning his style and approch. It is absolutely necessary for a free press to be able to scrutinise government in a democracy. And just as you attest that the press has a responsibility in a free society, then surly the President also shares that responsibility. By characterising the press as pariahs, and worse ‘enemies of the state’, he, in my opinion , is being extremely reckless. Trump, just like most past presidents just needs to suck it up for the majority of time when dealing with the press. I am not convinced by Trump (and nor was I convinced by Clinton), I just don’t see any credibility or substance. But if there is method in his madness then great. There are many fine Repubicans and Republican politicians, I don’t see Trump as one. Trump did associate with the Clintons for a long time and now all of a sudden she’s some monster. Trump is ego-centric, I don’t buy that he’s the champion of the ‘working man’. He’s just latched onto that demographic, made all sorts of promises and got their vote. Will that demographic be better off in years to come... we’ll have to wait and see. And convesely I suspect, by inference, that you really didn’t like the policy direction of Obama. But yet your economy did pretty well during his time and you made a tonne of coin with APPL so whilst you disagreed with the policy direction the US certainly did not implode, it flourished. Anyway, I don’t typically like to post overtly political content in the intraday. If you want we could continue in the dungeon for a good old mud-sling, or duke it out in this thread. Over to you old man....
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Post by platon on Aug 9, 2018 18:41:47 GMT -8
CNN/Tech has Tim Cook sends Mark Zuckerberg scrambling. Freedom of speech means the freedom of others to say what I do not want to hear. These moves to ban 'offensive' speech are troubling -- even though I loathe Alex Jones. Indeed, the wide dissemination of foolish thought is often the best way to expose it. Sunlight is a great disinfectant. I'm uncomfortable with any large entity, whether government, church, corporation or anything else, determining what we can hear, see, or say. I certainly agree with you about Alex Jones. He claimed for years that the 2012 mass shooting at Sandy Hook Elementary School was a hoax. Apparently Jones now admits the shooting occurred, but says his claims were free speech. I came across this information online and I'm assuming its not fake news: The parents of six-year-old Noah Pozner, who was killed in the Sandy Hook massacre, say Jones' followers have tormented them with death threats, forcing them to move seven times. They're seeking more than $1 million in damages. "They've continuously been harassed by a number of different people believing that Sandy Hook was all pre-planned and it was there to kind of shock the public into supporting restrictions to the 2nd Amendment," said attorney Bill Ogden, who represents Noah Pozner's parents.
BTW, for those who may *agree* with Alex Jones' original claim regarding the Sandy Hook shooting, here's a site you'll want to visit: Dead again: Sandy Hook child victim Noah Pozner also killed in Pakistan Taliban shooting! by Dr. Eowyn. Please make sure to browse through some of the 109 comments to really appreciate the folks who follow Alex Jones and his ilk. Here's some additional light reading: Mallick: Why Newtown victim Noah Pozner had an open coffinSo just based on what little I've heard directly from the very few Alex Jones videos I've watched, and from the despicable comments he made regarding the Sandy Hook murders, where that one murder victim, 6 year-old Noah Pozner, was shot 11 times, having his jaw and left hand blown off, I'll try not to get too upset with his disappearance from some social media sites. I admit to being more concerned about so many news organizations being labeled fake news and I wonder why that's not something that would provoke the outrage I've seen on AFB today. Nearly half of Republicans think Trump should be able to close news outlets: pollI happen to be an Independent but its worrisome to me that 44% of Republicans and 12% of Democrats in a poll believe that the president should be able to shutter news outlets for "bad behavior".
Twenty-nine percent, nearly a third, of the more than 1,000 people polled said they believed the news media was the enemy of the American people, a phrase that was coined and popularized by President Donald Trump. That number jumps to 48 percent if you just examine Republicans surveyed.
So, please click on that last link to watch the video where the media is called, "Fake, fake disgusting news" and let me know why Alex Jones is getting so much attention today.The bolded is a natural phenomena and is tilted to which ever side feels aggrieved by the responsible party. I assure you that the percentage of Democrats who supported the Fairness Doctrine for radio, who were aggrieved by the fact that talk radio was always tilted to the right, was over 50%. Either of these cases stifle free speech and the people polled don't even know what the 5 freedoms of the 1st Amendment are. After all of this is said, a simple test can be applied, just ask each person if the COTUS should be followed as plainly written or should it be revised to suit the whim of the popular opinion of these polls. There you will be able to identify and see the true discrepancy between a liberal viewpoint and a conservative one. DT does not get fair coverage from the mainstream media so he uses insulting language on social media to convey his contempt for them in an attempt to level the playing field, and he has a Constitutional right to do so. Those who don't like it should ignore him just as I ignore Alex Jones, silencing either of them is not acceptable under the COTUS and neither is forcing these social media companies to air content they disagree with. However as JD mentioned there could be laws passed that could probably pass Constitutional muster, but that could be a slippery slope.
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Post by benoir on Aug 9, 2018 20:14:28 GMT -8
Nice post Platon. Agree with much of it except your assertion that DT doesn’t get fair coverage. DT loves controversy and loves media attention. I don’t think it bothers him much if it’s negative as long as it’s about him. Yes he will jump up and down, but if the focus is on him then he’s happy.
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Post by Luckychoices on Aug 9, 2018 21:25:25 GMT -8
I certainly agree with you about Alex Jones. He claimed for years that the 2012 mass shooting at Sandy Hook Elementary School was a hoax. Apparently Jones now admits the shooting occurred, but says his claims were free speech. I came across this information online and I'm assuming its not fake news: The parents of six-year-old Noah Pozner, who was killed in the Sandy Hook massacre, say Jones' followers have tormented them with death threats, forcing them to move seven times. They're seeking more than $1 million in damages. "They've continuously been harassed by a number of different people believing that Sandy Hook was all pre-planned and it was there to kind of shock the public into supporting restrictions to the 2nd Amendment," said attorney Bill Ogden, who represents Noah Pozner's parents.
BTW, for those who may *agree* with Alex Jones' original claim regarding the Sandy Hook shooting, here's a site you'll want to visit: Dead again: Sandy Hook child victim Noah Pozner also killed in Pakistan Taliban shooting! by Dr. Eowyn. Please make sure to browse through some of the 109 comments to really appreciate the folks who follow Alex Jones and his ilk. Here's some additional light reading: Mallick: Why Newtown victim Noah Pozner had an open coffinSo just based on what little I've heard directly from the very few Alex Jones videos I've watched, and from the despicable comments he made regarding the Sandy Hook murders, where that one murder victim, 6 year-old Noah Pozner, was shot 11 times, having his jaw and left hand blown off, I'll try not to get too upset with his disappearance from some social media sites. I admit to being more concerned about so many news organizations being labeled fake news and I wonder why that's not something that would provoke the outrage I've seen on AFB today. Nearly half of Republicans think Trump should be able to close news outlets: pollI happen to be an Independent but its worrisome to me that 44% of Republicans and 12% of Democrats in a poll believe that the president should be able to shutter news outlets for "bad behavior".
Twenty-nine percent, nearly a third, of the more than 1,000 people polled said they believed the news media was the enemy of the American people, a phrase that was coined and popularized by President Donald Trump. That number jumps to 48 percent if you just examine Republicans surveyed.
So, please click on that last link to watch the video where the media is called, "Fake, fake disgusting news" and let me know why Alex Jones is getting so much attention today.The bolded is a natural phenomena and is tilted to which ever side feels aggrieved by the responsible party. I assure you that the percentage of Democrats who supported the Fairness Doctrine for radio, who were aggrieved by the fact that talk radio was always tilted to the right, was over 50%. Either of these cases stifle free speech and the people polled don't even know what the 5 freedoms of the 1st Amendment are. After all of this is said, a simple test can be applied, just ask each person if the COTUS should be followed as plainly written or should it be revised to suit the whim of the popular opinion of these polls. There you will be able to identify and see the true discrepancy between a liberal viewpoint and a conservative one. DT does not get fair coverage from the mainstream media so he uses insulting language on social media to convey his contempt for them in an attempt to level the playing field, and he has a Constitutional right to do so. Those who don't like it should ignore him just as I ignore Alex Jones, silencing either of them is not acceptable under the COTUS and neither is forcing these social media companies to air content they disagree with. However as JD mentioned there could be laws passed that could probably pass Constitutional muster, but that could be a slippery slope. Please. It's like you're not even trying. "the president should be able to shutter news outlets for 'bad behavior'" ≠ "Democrats who were aggrieved by the fact that talk radio was always tilted to the right" You clearly consider them equally abhorrent when you say, " Either of these cases stifle free speech and the people polled don't even know what the 5 freedoms of the 1st Amendment are." Do you really consider the ability of the President of the United States to close down a news organization because of "bad behavior" just a case of stifling free speech? SMH
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Post by artman1033 on Aug 10, 2018 6:51:15 GMT -8
boys and/or girls:
THIS is the ALL IMPORTANT INTRADAY THREAD!
PLEASE bring your important political banter to the CORRECT thread..................even if it is COOK/ related........
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