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Post by Since84 on Sept 18, 2018 2:37:12 GMT -8
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Post by dmiller on Sept 18, 2018 4:12:24 GMT -8
Agree about not getting a new X this year if you already have the existing X - unless you're dying to have the Max for the screen size, and/or the new variable aperture feature. Neither of these are enough reason to upgrade; I'll wait for next year's.
iOS 12: One annoyance, and not mentioned anywhere:
If you're not on 10.13 or later, the iOS 12 is incompatible with 10.12 and earlier, for iTunes integration and synching. You plug it in, you're told that you need to do a software update (High Sierra).
You "can" use it with Photos, no problems there, so it's an iTunes thing only.
I'm waiting to see if they push out another version of iTunes that would address this (why "not"?) but the previous iTunes is from earlier in September, so, maybe not.
This is why these upgrades can be worrisome: unknown side effects. (Just like upgrading to 10.13, which I haven't done on my main system yet. There are compatibility issues between APFS and HFS+, depending on which OS you're booted into; also still issues with some 3rd party applications and tools; and also, 10.13 ditches some longtime technologies that would be missed)
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Post by Since84 on Sept 18, 2018 6:45:16 GMT -8
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Post by 4aapl on Sept 18, 2018 7:11:44 GMT -8
Agree about not getting a new X this year if you already have the existing X - unless you're dying to have the Max for the screen size, and/or the new variable aperture feature. Neither of these are enough reason to upgrade; I'll wait for next year's. I don't think most people plan to upgrade their iPhone after only one year, though I knew one guy who was doing that, and I'm sure there's others. When it is a desktop replacement, or offsets 50% of your usage, at some point it's worth it. We're more on a 3-5 year cycle just because it works, but I also don't lease cars while some people like that, whether for the newness, the few mechanical worries, or some other reason. I believe the new X's have a few more benefits, including a faster chip, a little longer battery life, a higher available max memory, and with the Max an even larger screen. I could see someone feeling it was well worth $500/$800/$1k per year (sell the old one) to have the latest Ferrari of iPhones. A little over 20 years ago in Albuquerque, a mountain biker stopped to help me with a flat on my bike. His bike was much lighter than mine, and he said that while he couldn't afford a Ferrari, he could afford the Ferrari of mountain bikes. I can see that, and it does translate to other items in your life, especially ones you use often and can feel the difference between. It's not for everyone. But getting the latest and greatest iPhone is a much smaller expense than many other things out there. At some point you are buying happiness. Upgrading an iPhone each year might cost $1k. Upgrading a car each year is likely well over $5k. High end MTB's can now be $10-20k, so an upgrade each year would be $5k+. And then the house...in high cost areas, that gets big quick. Which of those gives you the most happiness, or is "worth it"? That depends on the person. iOS 12: One annoyance, and not mentioned anywhere: If you're not on 10.13 or later, the iOS 12 is incompatible with 10.12 and earlier, for iTunes integration and synching. You plug it in, you're told that you need to do a software update (High Sierra). You "can" use it with Photos, no problems there, so it's an iTunes thing only. I'm waiting to see if they push out another version of iTunes that would address this (why "not"?) but the previous iTunes is from earlier in September, so, maybe not. This is why these upgrades can be worrisome: unknown side effects. (Just like upgrading to 10.13, which I haven't done on my main system yet. There are compatibility issues between APFS and HFS+, depending on which OS you're booted into; also still issues with some 3rd party applications and tools; and also, 10.13 ditches some longtime technologies that would be missed) I upgraded my iPhone 5s to iOS 12 via Mac OS 10.11.6 last night. There were a few little screwy things (an update dialog came up that was different and didn't give enough info, and just as in other recent iPhone updates, it threw a "update available, do you want to update" message when partway through the update, probably when the iPhone rebooted to finish the update. These really bug me and shouldn't be happening, and I'd write bugs on them if I could, but it did work). I hadn't synced anything last night, but I just plugged the phone back in, and was able to add and sync a new playlist just fine. iTunes is version 12.8.0.150 (that's a mouthful). And iTunes still gives the wrong memory availability info when changing some music playlists and such. What's up with that! I'd expect some of these things to have been fixed ages ago, unless it's only happening on old hardware. But the playlist synced, and the tracks are there.
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Post by ono on Sept 18, 2018 7:30:45 GMT -8
An iTunes alternative: imazing.com/guides/how-to-manage-apps-without-itunes (I haven't tried arranging app's locations by dragging them as in iTunes.) I'm hoping Apple will release a 10.14 Mojave compatible update to iTunes 12.6.4.x that they have kept available for enterprises.
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Post by dmiller on Sept 18, 2018 8:12:06 GMT -8
I think we'll all agree, this is, and has always, been true. Even the original iPhone, as hardware and software limited as it was, in retrospect. (Some day we'll end up looking at the Apple Watch the same way) The "too expensive!" memes completely disregard this. (and, the fact that you can get iPhones for much lower prices, really into the 300's range, by getting something like a refurbished SE. (I know of someone who picked up a 64GB SE on Amazon for $200). Why is that even possible? Because they're available; still have value; will keep running for years; and $200 is about half what it would have cost initially. Low initial starting price means, even lower price when resold later on. So someone buying an iPhone can spend anywhere from a couple of hundred bucks, all the way up to $1400 or so. And all will be supported by iOS updates for a number of years. So much for "too expensive".
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Post by dmiller on Sept 18, 2018 8:17:06 GMT -8
Agree about not getting a new X this year if you already have the existing X - unless you're dying to have the Max for the screen size, and/or the new variable aperture feature. Neither of these are enough reason to upgrade; I'll wait for next year's. I don't think most people plan to upgrade their iPhone after only one year, though I knew one guy who was doing that, and I'm sure there's others. When it is a desktop replacement, or offsets 50% of your usage, at some point it's worth it. We're more on a 3-5 year cycle just because it works, but I also don't lease cars while some people like that, whether for the newness, the few mechanical worries, or some other reason. I believe the new X's have a few more benefits, including a faster chip, a little longer battery life, a higher available max memory, and with the Max an even larger screen. I could see someone feeling it was well worth $500/$800/$1k per year (sell the old one) to have the latest Ferrari of iPhones. A little over 20 years ago in Albuquerque, a mountain biker stopped to help me with a flat on my bike. His bike was much lighter than mine, and he said that while he couldn't afford a Ferrari, he could afford the Ferrari of mountain bikes. I can see that, and it does translate to other items in your life, especially ones you use often and can feel the difference between. It's not for everyone. But getting the latest and greatest iPhone is a much smaller expense than many other things out there. At some point you are buying happiness. Upgrading an iPhone each year might cost $1k. Upgrading a car each year is likely well over $5k. High end MTB's can now be $10-20k, so an upgrade each year would be $5k+. And then the house...in high cost areas, that gets big quick. Which of those gives you the most happiness, or is "worth it"? That depends on the person. iOS 12: One annoyance, and not mentioned anywhere: If you're not on 10.13 or later, the iOS 12 is incompatible with 10.12 and earlier, for iTunes integration and synching. You plug it in, you're told that you need to do a software update (High Sierra). You "can" use it with Photos, no problems there, so it's an iTunes thing only. I'm waiting to see if they push out another version of iTunes that would address this (why "not"?) but the previous iTunes is from earlier in September, so, maybe not. This is why these upgrades can be worrisome: unknown side effects. (Just like upgrading to 10.13, which I haven't done on my main system yet. There are compatibility issues between APFS and HFS+, depending on which OS you're booted into; also still issues with some 3rd party applications and tools; and also, 10.13 ditches some longtime technologies that would be missed) I upgraded my iPhone 5s to iOS 12 via Mac OS 10.11.6 last night. There were a few little screwy things (an update dialog came up that was different and didn't give enough info, and just as in other recent iPhone updates, it threw a "update available, do you want to update" message when partway through the update, probably when the iPhone rebooted to finish the update. These really bug me and shouldn't be happening, and I'd write bugs on them if I could, but it did work). I hadn't synced anything last night, but I just plugged the phone back in, and was able to add and sync a new playlist just fine. iTunes is version 12.8.0.150 (that's a mouthful). And iTunes still gives the wrong memory availability info when changing some music playlists and such. What's up with that! I'd expect some of these things to have been fixed ages ago, unless it's only happening on old hardware. But the playlist synced, and the tracks are there. So this "is" weird, then. I've got the same iTunes, and so the only difference is my 10.12.6 vs your 10.11.6 (so you're running El Cap?) and you're not getting yelled at in the Finder when you plug it in. I'll restart later just for kicks, and see if that changes anything.
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Post by dmiller on Sept 18, 2018 9:59:01 GMT -8
Final answer to my iOS 12 with Sierra OS X 10.12.x question. This took some digging, but someone on Macintouch wrote it up: www.macintouch.com/community/index.php?threads/ios-12.1435/The software installation is some unnamed, mysterious component that's installed outside of the usual App Store mechanism. As the author noted (and I've just run this), it's a reasonable short download, not an OS X upgrade to 10.13 and not a new version of iTunes. "problem" solved, but using such a mysterious and generic alert to do this kind of thing, without more transparency, was more than strange.
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Post by rmhe1999 on Sept 18, 2018 10:09:43 GMT -8
I just wanted to provide some anecdotal information per the previous comments about, "I don't think most people plan to upgrade their iPhone after only one year, though I knew one guy who was doing that, and I'm sure there's others." I am one of those others. I have the iPhone X as part of the iPhone upgrade program. I choose the program that allows me to upgrade every year. The main reason I do so is to have the latest and greatest gadget from our favorite fruit company. The cost delta between a one year and two year iPhone upgrade program is only $10-$20 a month in your monthly payment. I have no problem paying that to have the latest and greatest. Therefore, I personally think the iPhone Xs will do just fine. The upgrade program offers an incentive for those like me to upgrade while spreading the cost out over a 12 month period. It's win-win for Apple too as they get to sell an Xs and they also get my pristine X back to sell on the secondary market.
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Post by dmiller on Sept 18, 2018 11:17:46 GMT -8
I just wanted to provide some anecdotal information per the previous comments about, "I don't think most people plan to upgrade their iPhone after only one year, though I knew one guy who was doing that, and I'm sure there's others." I am one of those others. I have the iPhone X as part of the iPhone upgrade program. I choose the program that allows me to upgrade every year. The main reason I do so is to have the latest and greatest gadget from our favorite fruit company. The cost delta between a one year and two year iPhone upgrade program is only $10-$20 a month in your monthly payment. I have no problem paying that to have the latest and greatest. Therefore, I personally think the iPhone Xs will do just fine. The upgrade program offers an incentive for those like me to upgrade while spreading the cost out over a 12 month period. It's win-win for Apple too as they get to sell an Xs and they also get my pristine X back to sell on the secondary market. I'm not ruling it out. Based on more reading (see Gruber's detailed review of the cameras on Daring Fireball), the difference in both the hardware (much LARGER sensor for the wide angle camera; and the neural net processor) makes a significant difference in photo quality, low light, smart HDR, way better than in all previous iPhones. With that in mind, I'm more likely to upgrade now. (I'm also on the upgrade program). Not sure whether I'd go to the Max (ha) but would want to see them both in the stores, first. I also don't intend to turn in my X; I keep all iPhones. Would just end up buying out the rest of the contract, then try to convince my wife to move onto my X (her 6S was on the iPhone upgrade program and was paid-for completely more than a year ago).
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Post by Since84 on Sept 18, 2018 13:28:15 GMT -8
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Post by dmiller on Sept 18, 2018 14:10:06 GMT -8
Motley Fool - foolish.
If Apple was “keeping” the increased profits the author says they’re getting from reduced costs on the X phones, then margins will go up. I doubt that’s going to happen.
Margins have stabilized around 38% over the last few years. Margins stable is (not equal to) price gouging, roughly speaking. Or someone correct me if my thinking is wrong.
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Post by Mav on Sept 18, 2018 17:19:59 GMT -8
SOMEONE'S been paying attention to gross margin trending! (All of us here.) 👍
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