chinacat
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Post by chinacat on Jun 3, 2019 5:15:22 GMT -8
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Post by dreamRaj on Jun 3, 2019 6:05:27 GMT -8
So far AAPL is holding up pretty well.
Seeing how hard all the other techs have fallen today, the "big show" will be 'after' the keynote if WWDC disappoints.
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Post by sponge on Jun 3, 2019 7:09:57 GMT -8
I don’t see the traditional sell off today after the presentation. We have been going down instead of up prior to WWDC. The filling of the 173 gap does not look like it will happen.
RSI was at 29 on Friday. That is a sign of being oversold.
If we get some good upgrades or surprises we should see 180+ by end of the week.
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Post by CdnPhoto on Jun 3, 2019 9:32:34 GMT -8
I don’t see the traditional sell off today after the presentation. We have been going down instead of up prior to WWDC. The filling of the 173 gap does not look like it will happen. RSI was at 29 on Friday. That is a sign of being oversold. If we get some good upgrades or surprises we should see 180+ by end of the week. well, we see the selloff and are sub $173 now.
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Post by ems on Jun 3, 2019 9:37:21 GMT -8
171 and counting, unfortunately. the WWDC announcements look cool but clearly it's being interpreted as "sell the news" at the moment.
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Post by sponge on Jun 3, 2019 9:40:43 GMT -8
Well the only good news is that we corrected early.
Will have to wait a couple of hours and then see how it acts tomorrow
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Post by walterwhite on Jun 3, 2019 9:42:15 GMT -8
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Post by dreamRaj on Jun 3, 2019 10:16:06 GMT -8
Great, like what's been happening with Apple and AAPL lately is not enough! My 1000th post
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Post by coma on Jun 3, 2019 10:27:18 GMT -8
You post whore you . . .
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Post by benoir on Jun 3, 2019 10:35:58 GMT -8
A new cheese grater, apparently
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Post by dreamRaj on Jun 3, 2019 10:49:17 GMT -8
The new Pro Display has a Pro price of $4999. That's just the display! A stand for it is a separate $999!!
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Post by macster on Jun 3, 2019 11:19:01 GMT -8
After today no one can say Apple does not innovate.
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Post by BillH on Jun 3, 2019 11:33:17 GMT -8
I entered this game @ 128K with a single 400K floppy. Fairly entertaining watching the introduction of the new Mac Pro. Anyone care to let me know just what the hell the specifications mean.
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Post by 4aapl on Jun 3, 2019 12:33:47 GMT -8
The video here, with Ray Wang from Constellation Research, seems to jive the most with my thinking finance.yahoo.com/video/apple-sinks-amid-report-doj-190237529.htmlBasically, they need to take a look at some of the big tech companies, to see if anyone is overstepping. He sees Apple as being the least likely to be seen as overstepping, whereas he thinks Amazon is most likely. Personally, as far as overstepping on the privacy and using data side, I see the other 2 companies, Facebook and Alphabet, as being most likely, but I understand his point of spanning multiple areas. But I guess I imagine it like my take on the whole Microsoft monopoly thing, where really part of the outcome is direct (don't tie IE so hard to the OS) and part is indirect (they are watching us, so in the future we'd better be careful/conservative). Frankly being around a decade later, I expected Microsoft to still be even more dominant, but I don't have a complete sense of how much of it was their own fumbling, on things like music, tablets, and phones. Things might be quite different now if they instead had had success with their phones. I like to think that as long as Apple is trying to do the right thing, as far as privacy and separating out most things, that they won't be affected by this. They seem to have the right mindset, and are talking about it even with things like the watch noise monitor, of not storing or recording audio. But even if they try to do the right thing and mostly do that, there sometimes is the "big enough to tear apart" mindset.
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Post by Ted on Jun 3, 2019 13:01:40 GMT -8
Wow, that was a lot to digest and quite a long presentation, but worth it to see all the new features and forward thinking going on. I liked how the dev crowd groused and moaned loudly when the price of the new Mac Pro monitor's stand was announced as $999. I mean it looked cool and all, but cha-ching! I hope there's another option that costs less than say $500 . . . 🙄
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Post by chinacat on Jun 3, 2019 13:27:17 GMT -8
I liked how the dev crowd groused and moaned loudly when the price of the new Mac Pro monitor's stand was announced as $999. I mean it looked cool and all, but cha-ching! I hope there's another option that costs less than say $500 . . . 🙄 I don’t expect that many retail sales for these devices, but rather specialized/scientific organizations to utilize pretty impressive power and a flexible range of configurations.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 3, 2019 17:35:10 GMT -8
Basically, they need to take a look at some of the big tech companies, to see if anyone is overstepping. He sees Apple as being the least likely to be seen as overstepping, whereas he thinks Amazon is most likely. Personally, as far as overstepping on the privacy and using data side, I see the other 2 companies, Facebook and Alphabet, as being most likely, but I understand his point of spanning multiple areas. But I guess I imagine it like my take on the whole Microsoft monopoly thing, where really part of the outcome is direct (don't tie IE so hard to the OS) and part is indirect (they are watching us, so in the future we'd better be careful/conservative). Frankly being around a decade later, I expected Microsoft to still be even more dominant, but I don't have a complete sense of how much of it was their own fumbling, on things like music, tablets, and phones. Things might be quite different now if they instead had had success with their phones. I like to think that as long as Apple is trying to do the right thing, as far as privacy and separating out most things, that they won't be affected by this. They seem to have the right mindset, and are talking about it even with things like the watch noise monitor, of not storing or recording audio. But even if they try to do the right thing and mostly do that, there sometimes is the "big enough to tear apart" mindset. That sounds about right. Regulatory agencies can't show favoritism to Apple, and shouldn't. But like the interview said, Apple has less to fear than the rest of the big tech, except perhaps MS since they have little consumer exposure. Apple is very secretive on product development, but quite transparent otherwise. I don't think there's much that would be interesting to an investigator that isn't already known, and their advertising and even executives in court seem forthright and that's a legacy from Jobs. The app store case is the one threat as far as their freedom of movement for that, but I think the threat is limited to one or two aspects at worst, and we'll see how that case goes.
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Post by benoir on Jun 4, 2019 2:44:12 GMT -8
Have to say, that while the new Mac Pro has some lovely details, who is this for? This is largely industrial design porn. Pretty sure that anyone who needs a modular, powerful, expandable workstation, wants exactly that. Sure, make it nice and accessible but after that it seems self-indulgent. Where is the economy, the restraint? Not sure how often one needs to wheel their Mac around the office, that just seems silly to me - I have moved our original cheese grater maybe 1/2 a dozen times in its 10 years of solid service. The Stand - egregious wank, but lovely to look at. The weird iMac that came after the original had a similar actuating arm but it sure didn’t cost $999. I guess they did their research but this seams like a gold edition watch product.
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Post by audiosculpture12 on Jun 4, 2019 4:40:01 GMT -8
Hi Benoir - I think i get where your coming from. Sure, it looks brilliant, but so what.
Re-reading your post, it seems your objection is largely about the aesthetics - but then moves into function. Having wheels is very useful in all sort of pro applications (I'd have loved them over the years). How much the cheesegrater case adds to the cost of the product, if that's the main objection - i'm not certain - and as long as it isn't too much, many won't care. The reception i am seeing in professional creative communities is that they finally nailed a pro machine again. I hope people don't let the appealing aesthetic detract from the function and power - nevermind the message - that Apple have just put out into the world with this machine.
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Post by benoir on Jun 4, 2019 8:07:05 GMT -8
Hi Benoir - I think i get where your coming from. Sure, it looks brilliant, but so what. Re-reading your post, it seems your objection is largely about the aesthetics - but then moves into function. Having wheels is very useful in all sort of pro applications (I'd have loved them over the years). How much the cheesegrater case adds to the cost of the product, if that's the main objection - i'm not certain - and as long as it isn't too much, many won't care. The reception i am seeing in professional creative communities is that they finally nailed a pro machine again. I hope people don't let the appealing aesthetic detract from the function and power - nevermind the message - that Apple have just put out into the world with this machine. My objection is not aesthetics per se. It’s probably the sheer cost to achieve that. It is almost detail for details sake. I am in the ‘creative professional’ category myself. Actually I don’t mind the cheese grater detail. I probably just wonder whether they could have made it (the whole thing) simpler: a purer expression, like the original cheese grater. Having said that I’ll probably grow to love it.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 4, 2019 17:41:53 GMT -8
My objection is not aesthetics per se. It’s probably the sheer cost to achieve that. It is almost detail for details sake. I am in the ‘creative professional’ category myself. Actually I don’t mind the cheese grater detail. I probably just wonder whether they could have made it (the whole thing) simpler: a purer expression, like the original cheese grater. Having said that I’ll probably grow to love it. I think the cost is probably a lot less than you think. We have no way of knowing how much designing the case cost. If it's true that the whole thing is a great value, and I'm not qualified to say, it's all that matters. The Pro will of course be a low volume product, but I don't think Apple thinks in terms of each individual product's design cost separately.
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