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Post by Mav on Mar 14, 2013 12:12:00 GMT -8
It's pretty easy to theorize.
AAPL should hold 419. We can see it again once but it really should bounce with power from that level. Real power.
Whether it holds is the HUGE question. April earnings are a mega-wild card.
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Post by fas550 on Mar 14, 2013 12:17:19 GMT -8
People also get angry when the board gets filled with useless and repetitive predictions day after day that have no logical basis. ++1. A chronic issue sometimes. Recent facts have shown there is little left unknown. Metaphorically this is playing out like the 1979 film Being There with TC playing the role of chauncey gardner.
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Post by sponge on Mar 14, 2013 12:19:42 GMT -8
... Look, Apple releases products when they think they are ready. They project supplies and their partners keep messing things up ... The second statement is Apple's fault, it should make it easy for partners not to mess up. The first statement is also not quite right. Projects have deadlines and are set by Apple. If deadlines are set around Mar, it would be ready in Mar. Features can't make it by deadlines are omitted till next release. Massing all models to be released in Sep/Oct is stressing everyone and every system, creating an sudden spike following by a deep decline before stabilizing. Mace Do you recall back in 2005 when Apple could not make enough iPods and we were amazed when they could make 700K macs in one quarter? The iOS devices are hard to make. They also rely on many suppliers for the many parts. All it takes is one part to be slightly delayed and it can delay everything. We are not talking about 1 million devices but hundreds of million over 12 months. Things are planned 2 years in advance. No amount preparation can prevent little issues to arise. I don't care how smart TC is or how much money they have in the bank. The bigger the company gets and more popular their products become, the harder it is to forecast an exact date of perfect execution from everyone. We will never know about prior delays. IT could have been Apple's fault with software or some issues in the supply chain. It is what it is and Apple keeps growing every year.
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Post by mace on Mar 14, 2013 12:27:40 GMT -8
Mace, I keep sayin, SINS OF THE FORSTALL. If Apple had been able to keep a June/July cadence for iPhone the supply chain would've much less strained in 2012. It'll be at least another year or two while Apple cleans/speeds things up IMHO. Hopefully is true because it means Apple would get over this pit. I was hopeful that Apple would release an iPad mini with retina this month (latest next month) at $329 and dropped price on the non-retina version. This is similar to military exploitation of momentum. Is so quiet in the grapevine that the probability is low. Another wish is Apple releases a 5.3" display iPad nano at the same time. And in Sep/Oct, together with release of the new iPhone, release an apps that allow us, consumers to apply for a phone number, turning the iPad nano with cellular into an iPhone +. Like my dream?
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Post by sponge on Mar 14, 2013 12:32:19 GMT -8
Mace, I keep sayin, SINS OF THE FORSTALL. If Apple had been able to keep a June/July cadence for iPhone the supply chain would've much less strained in 2012. It'll be at least another year or two while Apple cleans/speeds things up IMHO. Hopefully is true because it means Apple would get over this pit. I was hopeful that Apple would release an iPad mini with retina this month (latest next month) at $329 and dropped price on the non-retina version. This is similar to military exploitation of momentum. Is so quiet in the grapevine that the probability is low. Another wish is Apple releases a 5.3" display iPad nano at the same time. And in Sep/Oct, together with release of the new iPhone, release an apps that allow us, consumers to apply for a phone number, turning the iPad nano with cellular into an iPhone +. Like my dream? I see an update to the regular iPad before we see the Retina iPad Mini. However some are saying that both have battery issues to be resolved first. By the way Android is in trouble. www.businessinsider.com/chart-of-the-day-androids-growth-finally-slows-down-2013-3And as Phil said. Most Android phones are just simple upgrades from cheap phones with limited functionality.
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Post by appledoc on Mar 14, 2013 12:34:52 GMT -8
Sideways trading does not equal a bottom.
Be wary right now. This is all low volume.
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Post by qualitywte on Mar 14, 2013 12:36:15 GMT -8
I agree with the second tweet. Not the first. Like Mav always says, Redler is a technicals guy. He should stick to that. Yup! ;D So you agree with yourself?
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Post by sponge on Mar 14, 2013 12:37:50 GMT -8
Sideways trading does not equal a bottom. Be wary right now. This is all low volume. The last two times we had such low volume was in August 30 and Dec 26. After both times we went up about 10%.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 14, 2013 12:41:43 GMT -8
Sideways trading does not equal a bottom. Be wary right now. This is all low volume. Curious why low volume is a bad sign...didn't we have high volume in January and February and that didn't turn out too well. I'm not saying low volume is good, but I don't see why it's bad either. There is just no interest in Apple right now...which is a lot better than all the selling interest we had before.
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Post by appledoc on Mar 14, 2013 12:43:31 GMT -8
Sideways trading does not equal a bottom. Be wary right now. This is all low volume. The last two times we had such low volume was in August 30 and Dec 26. After both times we went up about 10%. A lot of people on here could have prevented a lot of losses with that kind of thinking.
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Post by mace on Mar 14, 2013 12:47:20 GMT -8
Sideways with low volume is called volatility squeeze. It means big move coming soon. If you think Apple would announce a good dividend increase and bigger share buyback, buy now. If you think WS would not be happy with whatever Apple would announce or not, sell/hedge/short.
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Post by Red Shirted Ensign on Mar 14, 2013 12:48:14 GMT -8
So in two hours plus we get to see what all the fuss is about. Samsung unveils the already fully leaked Galaxy IV.
The latest..and maybe greatest....mobile phone.
Now, if tomorrow the reviews say this is just a middling upgrade of a handset model already in the marketplace for many months, running software that is nearly a year old, with a few new "eye tricks" to differentiate it (eye scroll, air swipe), and a better camera......will anyone who already has a Galaxy handset step up to buy this? Not for software reasons...Would you do it to get "eye scroll". The screen is as big as before....but not better...
Why the hoopla? Maybe it really will be special, but without a hardware/software blended experience, really new capabilities and style....will there be a big response to it?
Does the Emperor have any clothes? Who will point, laugh and tell the truth, if there is truth to be told?
Just wondering. We'll see.
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Post by Mav on Mar 14, 2013 12:50:14 GMT -8
1080p display.
Boom. All other smartphones are doomed. Just go home already.
Now, a 1080p display on a 5" or so screen IS impressive (though it's already been done?), but it brings a raft of questions, not the least of which is, uh, what about performance and battery life? There's that spec sheet thing again...though I should also point out that Samsung used PenTile displays and swapped quad cores for dual-cores depending on the S3 variant.
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Post by fas550 on Mar 14, 2013 12:58:27 GMT -8
Anyone else can't see any posts on IOS devices?
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Post by ammaroo1 on Mar 14, 2013 13:09:42 GMT -8
I think the release of the S4 marks the point at which the general public becomes aware of the difference between true useful innovation, that makes life easier, and is transparent to the user such that most people don't even notice it (Apple), vs tacky, gimmicky half -assed add-on dog-trick software that doesn't even work right and serves no useful real useful purpose to the end user(samsung)
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Post by coma on Mar 14, 2013 13:11:46 GMT -8
Anyone else can't see any posts on IOS devices? Works for me . . .
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Post by sponge on Mar 14, 2013 13:19:33 GMT -8
I think the release of the S4 marks the point at which the general public becomes aware of the difference between true useful innovation, that makes life easier, and is transparent to the user such that most people don't even notice it (Apple), vs tacky, gimmicky half -assed add-on dog-trick software that doesn't even work right and serves no useful real useful purpose to the end user(samsung) I agree. For the first time Samsung will need to show consumers that their brand has legs based on functional use. No amount of marketing will do that. Only word of mouth will be successful. I can't wait for data in 6 months. I recall 6 months ago waiting for data that shows iPhone kicking Samsung butt. Well the limited data showed exactly that. In six months it will be harder for Samsung to hide that the iPhone and its latest upgrade will kick their butt again.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 14, 2013 13:28:28 GMT -8
It doesn't matter what the S4 is like, it will be the most successful high end android device purely because of Samsung's manufacturing, distribution and advertising dominance.
Apple & Samsung are pretty much in the same position in this regard, they can release a phone update of any kind and it automatically becomes the biggest selling phone on its respective platform.
Everyone else is just fighting for scraps.
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Post by rosie on Mar 14, 2013 13:32:25 GMT -8
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Post by seabiscuit on Mar 14, 2013 13:36:41 GMT -8
Is it just me or is Apple slowly breaking out of its funk? We were $430 2 weeks ago, $432 today with only slight swings the last 2 weeks. While not great, it's a whole lot better than the brutal beatings we've been receiving the past few months. Agreed That's why, I think we're at the bottom. I hope you guys are right. My fear is that it is the "hope" of a sizable dividend increase that is keeping PPS where it has been trading.
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Post by sponge on Mar 14, 2013 13:53:42 GMT -8
Agreed That's why, I think we're at the bottom. I hope you guys are right. My fear is that it is the "hope" of a sizable dividend increase that is keeping PPS where it has been trading. I don't see a sizable dividend increase.
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Post by tuffett on Mar 14, 2013 14:00:43 GMT -8
I see a sizeable dividend increase.
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Post by phoebear611 on Mar 14, 2013 14:03:11 GMT -8
It's amazing that SS chose NY for their launch. Needless to say - I'm seeing video and tweets from long lines on what looks like Radio City Music Hall. Is that where they are launching this thing? They so DESPERATELY want to be AAPL. It really is sad that the public doesn't see through the bullshit of all this lack of innovation and complete copying. Is it wrong for me to wish that Kim Jong-un level the entire SS factory? No casualties, please - just the whole building/buildings. Damn - I'm just so bitter. Ahh...forget it ...the more I think about it. AAPL has only itself to blame. They are the ones in charge of their own destiny.
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Post by sponge on Mar 14, 2013 14:07:09 GMT -8
I see a sizeable dividend increase. Check back with me in July. . And we will see that I was right. Apparently things are so bad that we are taking about the latest galaxy launch here.
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Post by rob_london on Mar 14, 2013 14:14:15 GMT -8
Bloomberg News:
"Microsoft has sold roughly 1.5 million Surface tablets: sources".
How long before it suffers the same fate as Zune?
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Post by fas550 on Mar 14, 2013 14:20:57 GMT -8
I think the release of the S4 marks the point at which the general public becomes aware of the difference between true useful innovation, that makes life easier, and is transparent to the user such that most people don't even notice it (Apple), vs tacky, gimmicky half -assed add-on dog-trick software that doesn't even work right and serves no useful real useful purpose to the end user(samsung) I agree. For the first time Samsung will need to show consumers that their brand has legs based on functional use. No amount of marketing will do that. Only word of mouth will be successful. I can't wait for data in 6 months. I recall 6 months ago waiting for data that shows iPhone kicking Samsung butt. Well the limited data showed exactly that. In six months it will be harder for Samsung to hide that the iPhone and its latest upgrade will kick their butt again. Samsung doesn't have to hide because they have no obligation to tell the truth of sales per handset model and usually they don't. We already proved by SS own suspicious numbers that either of the IPhones outsell their flagship phone. The media only quotes company vs company and we can't compete against 80 some different models addressing near all of the addressable market (nor should we). The only thing that's going to change the sentiment is the sentiment. Facts don't matter as that gets in the way of the greater objective. The greater objective right now is to get more readers to read, click or whatever right now and the subject that makes that happen is headlines stating Apples fall and Samsung's rise. It works because readers are compelled to click on the mighty have fallen and others have risen. Once the traction fails, media sprinkle in some doubt about the mighty, gain momentum and the whole process repeats. It happened with Cisco vs Juniper, Microsoft vs Red Hat, Dell vs Gateway, Blackberry vs Apple and now its Samsung's turn in the limelight. Good vs Bad, Dems vs GOP, Batman vs the Penguin, Man vs Machine (ala Terminator and the Matrix) and of course God vs Satan (no I'm not getting religious). It's been going on since we've been here. Notice there is never 3! Something to think about. Shows once again our nature: 3 just muddys the water and is not as compelling as 2. Sorry for rambling but all this talk about "When this is realized Apple will be recognized as the great company it is" has no basis in reality given history.
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Post by sponge on Mar 14, 2013 14:27:27 GMT -8
I think earnings will expose Smasung. As Apple moves away from them and lower upgrades from existing customers start to show, watch out.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 14, 2013 14:37:33 GMT -8
I like samsungs release strategy - having 2 premier phone lines that get introduced 6 months apart. 6 months from now the media will again be talking about a big Samsung launch event for the Note 3.
In between now and then the next annual iPhone release will have come and gone.
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Post by fas550 on Mar 14, 2013 14:41:22 GMT -8
It's amazing that SS chose NY for their launch. Needless to say - I'm seeing video and tweets from long lines on what looks like Radio City Music Hall. Is that where they are launching this thing? They so DESPERATELY want to be AAPL. It really is sad that the public doesn't see through the bullshit of all this lack of innovation and complete copying. Is it wrong for me to wish that Kim Jong-un level the entire SS factory? No casualties, please - just the whole building/buildings. Damn - I'm just so bitter. Ahh...forget it ...the more I think about it. AAPL has only itself to blame. They are the ones in charge of their own destiny. You are right on every level. The blatant copying particularly irritates me but then again thats what they (Samsung) are good at. Its the decades old Japanese model of copy and make slight improvements where you can then sell to the masses. I do have to admire their marketing team though: Radio City at 7pm is primed for maximum impact.
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Post by mtjs on Mar 14, 2013 14:47:46 GMT -8
I would give my 2 cents, but i bought aapl @700 with them. (Test post with iPhone app )
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