Dave
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Post by Dave on May 24, 2023 0:43:31 GMT -8
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Post by benoir on May 24, 2023 2:54:09 GMT -8
And again, good morning. This morning’s pre-market is red at -0.27% at this moment. I demand Artman green™
These goggles better be good...
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Post by chinacat on May 24, 2023 4:49:49 GMT -8
And again, good morning. This morning’s pre-market is red at -0.27% at this moment. Polarizing Only if you are a bigot.
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Post by macster on May 24, 2023 5:52:34 GMT -8
And again, good morning. This morning’s pre-market is red at -0.27% at this moment. Polarizing Only if you are a bigot. It has nothing to do with being a bigot. It’s politics as you know, it turns off stockholders, fellow discussion board members and the all important certain segments of the populace who buy products. It favors groups over others. It’s insensitive. It’s wrong.
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Post by aapltini on May 24, 2023 5:57:08 GMT -8
And again, good morning. This morning’s pre-market is red at -0.27% at this moment. Polarizing Only if you are a bigot. Chinacat, calling people bigots, homophobes, racists, sexists and any other names is kinda the equivalent to Michael Scott always pulling out a gun in his comedy improv group. It’s a scene-ender, takes no creativity and makes people just not want to engage at all. Hearts and minds can be won through intelligent dialog. Shouldn’t that be the goal?
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Post by CdnPhoto on May 24, 2023 6:02:46 GMT -8
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Post by chinacat on May 24, 2023 6:12:10 GMT -8
It has nothing to do with being a bigot. It’s politics as you know, it turns off stockholders, fellow discussion board members and the all important certain segments of the populace who buy products. It favors groups over others. It’s insensitive. It’s wrong. So your contention is that the bigotry espoused and and enacted by DeSantis and his like, not to mention inciting violence by others, does none of those things? BTW, I am a very happy stockholder of nearly ten years and have bought and currently own many thousands of dollars of Apple products, and have influenced friends and family to do the same. So keep your sanctimonious preaching to yourself.
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Post by bud777 on May 24, 2023 7:29:30 GMT -8
It has nothing to do with being a bigot. It’s politics as you know, it turns off stockholders, fellow discussion board members, and the important certain segments of the populace who buy products. It favors groups over others. It’s insensitive. It’s wrong. So your contention is that the bigotry espoused and enacted by DeSantis and his like, not to mention inciting violence by others, does none of those things? BTW, I am a very happy stockholder of nearly ten years and have bought and currently own many thousands of dollars of Apple products, and have influenced friends and family to do the same. So keep your sanctimonious preaching to yourself. I think we all may be a little nervous about the debt crisis. Now is the time to stand together and help each other. Does anyone have any ideas on how to take defensive action now to protect our investments?
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Post by Lstream on May 24, 2023 8:38:16 GMT -8
I’m never buying one, but I suspect it is an overall net positive in terms of sales. Live and let live is how I feel on this issue. I can’t figure out why anyone would let a frikken watch strap upset them. But here we are.
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Dave
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Post by Dave on May 24, 2023 8:59:35 GMT -8
And again, good morning. This morning’s pre-market is red at -0.27% at this moment. Polarizing Only if you are a bigot. Thank you Chinacat for providing a perfect example of what polarizing means. polarize verb po·lar·ize ˈpō-lə-ˌrīz polarized; polarizingYour response was emotional (anger) and hate filled which was displayed by blanket accusations towards anyone that you disagree with. Your statement shows how polarizing this subject really is. Personally, I couldn’t care any less about Tim Cook’s sexual preference or anything else that he do in his personal life. But I do care when this person, an employee of Apple, uses his position as if it’s a soapbox to spread his personal agenda. You tell me, is his very public position going to grow or shrink Apples user base? And I’m sure you weren’t accusing me of bigotry. That would not be appropriate as a moderator on this board, as it doesn’t provide an example of proper etiquette and a misuse of position. Starting to sound like someone else. And this is why it is a news story.
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Dave
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Post by Dave on May 24, 2023 9:08:14 GMT -8
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Post by CdnPhoto on May 24, 2023 10:23:35 GMT -8
If it was Google, I wouldn't have been surprised if they put ads on it.
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Post by mark on May 24, 2023 10:27:36 GMT -8
It's utter nonsense. On both sides of the discussion. Sorry.
Apple has had rainbow bands, rainbow watch faces, rainbow wallpaper, etc for a long time now. They've also had black unity bands, faces, wallpapers. And Product Red faces, wallpaper, and bands.
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Post by aaplsauce on May 24, 2023 11:04:58 GMT -8
Dave: But I do care when this person, an employee of Apple, uses his position as if it’s a soapbox to spread his personal agenda. You tell me, is his very public position going to grow or shrink Apples user base?
Ok, I'll tell you...
Tim Cook believes in inclusion...the practice or policy of providing equal access to opportunities and resources for people who might otherwise be excluded or marginalized, such as those who have physical or intellectual disabilities and members of other minority groups: we value and promote diversity and inclusion in every aspect of our business.
Inclusion is great for the human race and great for business!
So yes, the practice of inclusion by Apple will grow the user base.
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Post by macster on May 24, 2023 11:19:59 GMT -8
It has nothing to do with being a bigot. It’s politics as you know, it turns off stockholders, fellow discussion board members and the all important certain segments of the populace who buy products. It favors groups over others. It’s insensitive. It’s wrong. So your contention is that the bigotry espoused and and enacted by DeSantis and his like, not to mention inciting violence by others, does none of those things? BTW, I am a very happy stockholder of nearly ten years and have bought and currently own many thousands of dollars of Apple products, and have influenced friends and family to do the same. So keep your sanctimonious preaching to yourself. Well not to inflame an already heated discussion but… As a stockholder I’d rather see intro Watch bands that espouse good things that the majority love like patriotic, spiritual or any constructive ideologies beside pushing one group over others. has Black Unity watch bands. Why not Oriental unity bands, Latino bands, Ukraine unity bands, Christian unity bands, Muslim Unity bands for example. But this…I’m sorry what bigotry espoused by DeSantis? If you are talking about the parents of young children concerned about Drag Queen shows, woke trans information being exposed to their kids in Florida classrooms or X rated sexual and perversion material in their school libraries, then see their favorite fruit company promoting a alternative lifestyle that not long ago was banned or frowned upon…of course those majorities who elected him as Governor are not bigots. Parents own their kids not corporations, school boards, teacher unions nor government. If people prefer opposite sex, trans or whatever let them. No need to publish or highlight it and you don’t need to like it if one feels so. Do you want your kids to be indoctrinated into socialist and/or marxists? Are they Bigots too? Do Florida residents want those open border policies flooding already crowded schools, setting up curbside tent city’s or stressing social safety nets. Is that bigotry? All boils down to elements in this country heavily pushing ideological transformation that the majority does not want.
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Post by aaplcrazie on May 24, 2023 11:20:10 GMT -8
If it was Google, I wouldn't have been surprised if they put ads on it. Apparently that's what The Suits at Discovery want to do with their Brilliant Plan to Trash the HBO Name/Brand replace it with something no ones ever heard off and bring on the Ads.
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Dave
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Post by Dave on May 24, 2023 11:26:01 GMT -8
Has Tim Cook been excluded in anyway, the head of the world’s largest corporation?
Remember, this is a news story that was on this morning financial thread that I read every morning. It’s there for a reason. My one word response was Polarizing, which is what it is. Just look at the responses to the story on today’s thread and tell me that something as simple as a watchband can’t cause people to drive their stakes in the ground and refuse to move.
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Post by mark on May 24, 2023 12:20:57 GMT -8
Has Tim Cook been excluded in anyway, the head of the world’s largest corporation? Remember, this is a news story that was on this morning financial thread that I read every morning. It’s there for a reason. My one word response was Polarizing, which is what it is. Just look at the responses to the story on today’s thread and tell me that something as simple as a watchband can’t cause people to drive their stakes in the ground and refuse to move. That's another issue. It doesn't belong there at all because it was written by someone who did not research whatsoever about what they were writing. Heck, maybe it was written by an AI (they're all still too immature to do proper research). It's also interesting that it was the ONLY article included in the opening posts of the daily thread. Was there nothing else interesting in the media besides this one badly researched article? For example, how about this one? 9to5mac.com/2023/05/23/apple-vr-experts-wwdc-2023-headset/
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Post by macster on May 25, 2023 19:28:55 GMT -8
Has Tim Cook been excluded in anyway, the head of the world’s largest corporation? Remember, this is a news story that was on this morning financial thread that I read every morning. It’s there for a reason. My one word response was Polarizing, which is what it is. Just look at the responses to the story on today’s thread and tell me that something as simple as a watchband can’t cause people to drive their stakes in the ground and refuse to move. hasn’t gone overboard compared to Disney, Anhauser Busch or Target but it is what it is. Target Shares Fall Following ‘Pride’ Push Naveen Athrappully A Target store in Somersworth, N.H. (Alice Giordano/The Epoch Times) Shares of Target have recently declined after the company launched LGBTQ products, including items aimed at children, triggering a backlash from Americans against the retailer’s transgender push. Target rolled out its Pride collection at the beginning of the month, offering over 2,000 products, including clothing, books, home furnishings, and calendars, among others. Some of the items were targeted at children. For example, books for kids aged 2–8 had titles like “Pride 1,2,3,” “Bye Bye, Binary,” and “I’m Not a Girl.” Target also suggested “The Pronoun Book” to kids aged 0–3. In home décor, Target offered mugs labeled “Gender Fluid.” It also offered transgender swimsuits for adults with a “tuck-friendly” feature. The company’s actions attracted a lot of negative reactions online, with the hashtag “BoycottTarget” trending across social media. Amid the backlash, Target’s shares have declined by 11 percent as of 11:00 a.m. EST on May 25. Between May 1 and May 24, the company’s market capitalization fell from $72.52 billion to $66.05 billion, a decline of $6.47 billion. In a May 24 press release, the company announced removing some of the controversial items. “Since introducing this year’s collection, we’ve experienced threats impacting our team members’ sense of safety and well-being while at work. “Given these volatile circumstances, we are making adjustments to our plans, including removing items that have been at the center of the most significant confrontational behavior.” Liz Wheeler, who hosts “The Liz Wheeler Show” video podcast, called out Target for not apologizing for promoting “pride” agenda. “Target executives are freaking out & moving ‘pride’ displays to the back of the store. But DO NOT CAVE. They’re not apologizing. They’re blaming YOU, claiming conservatives who oppose a Satanist designing queer merchandise for kids are a ‘threat,’” she said in a May 24 tweet. Satanist Products Some of the items in Target’s Pride collection were designed by UK-based designer Abprallen, who identifies as a transgender gay man and is a proclaimed Satanist. There were two items from Abprallen in the Pride collection. However, the products are now not available in Target’s online store following the backlash, according to Breitbart. An outspoken Satanist, Abprallen is known for pushing messages like “Satan respects pronouns” on apparel and “burn down the cis-tem.” Sen. Tom Cotton (R-Ark.) slammed Target for its ties with a Satanist. “Even by the standards of woke corporations, @target’s partnership with a satanist to push the trans agenda on children is remarkable. The next time @target comes begging for help, Republicans should respond, ‘best of luck,’” he said in a May 23 tweet. Protecting Children The Democrat governor of California, Gavin Newsom, hit out at Target for pulling out items from the Pride collection, calling the move “selling out the LGBTQ+ community to extremists.” “This isn’t just a couple [of] stores in the South. There is a systematic attack on the gay community happening across the country. Wake up America. This doesn’t stop here. You’re black? You’re Asian? You’re Jewish? You’re a woman? You’re next,” he said in a May 24 tweet. Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene (R-Ga.) countered Newsom by insisting that “no one is attacking the gay community.” “They don’t want their children forcefully exposed to the radical side of pride with ‘tuck it’ and ‘binding’ children’s clothes and messaging while simply shopping at Target. We don’t support your California child genital mutilation industry. As a matter of fact, I want to end it,” she said in a tweet. The backlash against Target is the latest in a series of customer reactions against companies pushing left-wing, progressive ideologies. Last month, Bud Light used transgender social media personality Dylan Mulvaney in a promotional campaign. The decision triggered a massive boycott call of the beer brand. In less than two weeks after the promo campaign, Anheuser-Busch, the parent company of Bud Light, had lost at least $6.65 billion in market capitalization.
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Dave
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Post by Dave on May 26, 2023 0:07:11 GMT -8
As I’ve said, this issue is polarizing and Apple should have never been dragged into it.
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