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Post by artman1033 on Jun 1, 2023 8:25:56 GMT -8
FWIW: I believe $180 is the ALL-TIME HIGH.
I will be back later tonight to update this post if it REACHES $180.... $182 IS THE ALL-TIME HIGH.
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Post by 4aapl on Jun 1, 2023 8:35:13 GMT -8
META desperately trying to get some attention before the air is sucked out of the room by Apple. Just sold my Meta stock today. LT I don't believe in the company, and my purchase price didn't end up being anywhere close to the bottom, but they have a lot of ad income and a big user base. Happy to get out at nearly a 17% gain in just over a year, so positive even with borrowing costs. But announcing today, for a product not coming out until the fall, seems more of desperation though it is also maximizing the free advertising as long as it doesn't cut into current sales too much. OTOH, even if it won't be directly comparable to a product from Apple if theirs does end up being in the $3k-$4k range (at least with that price difference they better not be comparable), it is another option out there. Here'e a review of several VR (not AR) headsets as of last November: www.techgearlab.com/topics/wearable-tech/best-vr-headsetI'd expect in the longer term, if it looks like this area is taking off, that Apple would come out with a few price points. But the arena is small enough and new enough that Apple can help set the tone and expectations, for the products and the pricing.
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Post by JDSoCal on Jun 1, 2023 8:36:24 GMT -8
So Russia is alleging Apple has helped the NSA hack their phones. If this were true, it's a huge scandal and a slippery slope ("but but Russia!" is not an excuse to renounce one's principles. We aren't even at war with Russia). The true case being, I wouldn't put anything past the US Deep State (because terrorism and the children!), and we haven't heard the FBI director complain about iOS in a long time. The false case being, Tim Cook has made privacy his cause célèbre, and for him to allow this without squealing publicly would be as scandal of a very high magnitude. Also, the timing, as AAPL nears an ATH, is sus. Thoughts? (I don't find "dur hur Putin" persuasive). The US Deep State has long wanted a backdoor in iOS, and they are amoral scumbags. Remember who the FBI building is still named for.
I have friends emailing me this article asking WTF?
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Post by CdnPhoto on Jun 1, 2023 8:40:04 GMT -8
FWIW: I believe $180 is the ALL-TIME HIGH.
I will be back later tonight to update this post if it REACHES $180.... Intraday ATH is $182.94 (Jan 4, 2022) Closing ATH is $182.01 (Jan 3, 2022)
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Post by 4aapl on Jun 1, 2023 9:07:10 GMT -8
So Russia is alleging Apple has helped the NSA hack their phones. If this were true, it's a huge scandal and a slippery slope ("but but Russia!" is not an excuse to renounce one's principles. We aren't even at war with Russia). The true case being, I wouldn't put anything past the US Deep State (because terrorism and the children!), and we haven't heard the FBI director complain about iOS in a long time. The false case being, Tim Cook has made privacy his cause célèbre, and for him to allow this without squealing publicly would be as scandal of a very high magnitude. Also, the timing, as AAPL nears an ATH, is sus. Thoughts? (I don't find "dur hur Putin" persuasive). The US Deep State has long wanted a backdoor in iOS, and they are amoral scumbags. Remember who the FBI building is still named for. I have friends emailing me this article asking WTF?
The best conspiracy theory is one that seems plausible, but that there is no real way to disprove. Of course it is possible that Apple would do this, likely with some persuasion. OTOH, given past precedent, of not (publicly) helping the government hack into mass shooter's phones, whether they were still alive or not, I just don't see Apple suddenly deciding to do this. OTOH, there are companies out there selling iPhone cracking devices, and people have hacked accounts through iCloud. Often it comes back to companies in Israel, but that's just the ones we hear of. I'm sure there's companies and capabilities out there that the average user doesn't know about, and that seems a lot more likely than Apple suddenly helping anyone hack into iPhones. That's just my guess. But there's also the low hanging fruit option, that Russia is seeing some hacking by someone, but it's due to simple passwords on certain phones, or other similar side paths. If thieves in the US are watching for someone's passcode, and others are using a fingerprint or face of a sleeping person to get access, why wouldn't it also be an issue there, with a spy or really just anyone who's against what they are doing. It seems like that is the more probable option.
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Post by JDSoCal on Jun 1, 2023 9:17:22 GMT -8
So Russia is alleging Apple has helped the NSA hack their phones. If this were true, it's a huge scandal and a slippery slope ("but but Russia!" is not an excuse to renounce one's principles. We aren't even at war with Russia). The true case being, I wouldn't put anything past the US Deep State (because terrorism and the children!), and we haven't heard the FBI director complain about iOS in a long time. The false case being, Tim Cook has made privacy his cause célèbre, and for him to allow this without squealing publicly would be as scandal of a very high magnitude. Also, the timing, as AAPL nears an ATH, is sus. Thoughts? (I don't find "dur hur Putin" persuasive). The US Deep State has long wanted a backdoor in iOS, and they are amoral scumbags. Remember who the FBI building is still named for. I have friends emailing me this article asking WTF?
The best conspiracy theory is one that seems plausible, but that there is no real way to disprove. Of course it is possible that Apple would do this, likely with some persuasion. OTOH, given past precedent, of not (publicly) helping the government hack into mass shooter's phones, whether they were still alive or not, I just don't see Apple suddenly deciding to do this. OTOH, there are companies out there selling iPhone cracking devices, and people have hacked accounts through iCloud. Often it comes back to companies in Israel, but that's just the ones we hear of. I'm sure there's companies and capabilities out there that the average user doesn't know about, and that seems a lot more likely than Apple suddenly helping anyone hack into iPhones. That's just my guess. But there's also the low hanging fruit option, that Russia is seeing some hacking by someone, but it's due to simple passwords on certain phones, or other similar side paths. If thieves in the US are watching for someone's passcode, and others are using a fingerprint or face of a sleeping person to get access, why wouldn't it also be an issue there, with a spy or really just anyone who's against what they are doing. It seems like that is the more probable option. I'm wondering, can Apple even push OS updates to Russia under current sanctions? The fact that we haven't heard US Intel and LE agencies cry about iOS in a long time kind of scares me. One thing I've always kind of assumed: If something were really Deep State-proof (eg, VPNs, encryption), the CIA and FBI would be constantly be gaslighting us in the media about terror, money laundering, and of course, "think of the children!". The CIA and FBI have direct lines to major newspapers and other media (I won't name names so as not to start a political war, but it's not really debatable). So why haven't the CIA and FBI been screaming bloody murder about iOS lately? I remember James Comey complaining about it, but that was years ago. Maybe Apple has a deal that they let the NSA crack prior versions of iOS if they leave the current version alone. That way, countries on the sanctioned list get hacked. More likely, we're all hacked and Tim is just BS-ing all of us (I hope this is not true, but I don't want to be an all Apple rah-rah all the time guy, let alone give the Deep State any benefit of the doubt). Sad what our 4th Amendment has become.
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Post by duckpins on Jun 1, 2023 10:32:13 GMT -8
178 old high is past and passed. Now all to the ATH!
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Post by mark on Jun 1, 2023 11:29:10 GMT -8
FWIW: I believe $180 is the ALL-TIME HIGH.
I will be back later tonight to update this post if it REACHES $180.... $182.94 1/4/2022
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Post by Luckychoices on Jun 1, 2023 11:31:53 GMT -8
How dare Apple do this to Russia? Why would Apple do anything to upset Russia? Putin's a good guy. Ukraine accuses Russia of genocide after bombing of children's hospital(" but but Russia!" is not an excuse to renounce one's principles. We aren't even at war with Russia). That's right...so true. It's just one country invading its neighbor...none of our business. INVASION OF POLAND, FALL 1939The true case being, I wouldn't put anything past the US Deep State (because terrorism and the children!), and we haven't heard the FBI director complain about iOS in a long time. Exactly! That US Deep State is the worst. TFG warned us about the US Deep State. The false case being, Tim Cook has made privacy his cause célèbre, and for him to allow this without squealing publicly would be as scandal of a very high magnitude. Also, the timing, as AAPL nears an ATH, is sus. Thoughts? (I don't find "dur hur Putin" persuasive). The US Deep State has long wanted a backdoor in iOS, and they are amoral scumbags. Remember who the FBI building is still named for. I have friends emailing me this article asking WTF?
Shame on Tim Cook...truly a scandal of a very high magnitude. I can't even imagine anything worse. /s Family Holds Funeral for 4-Year-Old Girl Killed in Russian Missile AttackLiza Dmytriyeva, a 4-year-old with Down syndrome, died when a flash of fire and metallic shrapnel erupted near her and her mother during a walk in Vinnytsia, Ukraine. Her mother, Iryna, lost a leg and remains unconscious.
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Post by mark on Jun 1, 2023 11:36:10 GMT -8
So Russia is alleging Apple has helped the NSA hack their phones. If this were true, it's a huge scandal and a slippery slope ("but but Russia!" is not an excuse to renounce one's principles. We aren't even at war with Russia). The true case being, I wouldn't put anything past the US Deep State (because terrorism and the children!), and we haven't heard the FBI director complain about iOS in a long time. The false case being, Tim Cook has made privacy his cause célèbre, and for him to allow this without squealing publicly would be as scandal of a very high magnitude. Also, the timing, as AAPL nears an ATH, is sus. Thoughts? (I don't find "dur hur Putin" persuasive). The US Deep State has long wanted a backdoor in iOS, and they are amoral scumbags. Remember who the FBI building is still named for. I have friends emailing me this article asking WTF?
Probably BS: 1. Can't believe anything from Russian sources. 2. Russia is likely using it as an excuse for poor security, if it happened, it was probably done solely by a third party. 3. If iPhones aren't secure, no critical govt agency would allow the use of them at all (just like you generally can't keep secret notes on your person). 4. They probably mostly have older devices and are a few versions of software back. Plenty of widely known old hacks out there in that case. 5. All cybersecurity is a cat and mouse game, you improve the mousetraps as the mice get more clever.
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Post by JDSoCal on Jun 1, 2023 12:28:30 GMT -8
How dare Apple do this to Russia? Why would Apple do anything to upset Russia? Putin's a good guy. Ukraine accuses Russia of genocide after bombing of children's hospitalView Attachment(" but but Russia!" is not an excuse to renounce one's principles. We aren't even at war with Russia). That's right...so true. It's just one country invading its neighbor...none of our business. INVASION OF POLAND, FALL 1939The true case being, I wouldn't put anything past the US Deep State (because terrorism and the children!), and we haven't heard the FBI director complain about iOS in a long time. Exactly! That US Deep State is the worst. TFG warned us about the US Deep State. The false case being, Tim Cook has made privacy his cause célèbre, and for him to allow this without squealing publicly would be as scandal of a very high magnitude. Also, the timing, as AAPL nears an ATH, is sus. Thoughts? (I don't find "dur hur Putin" persuasive). The US Deep State has long wanted a backdoor in iOS, and they are amoral scumbags. Remember who the FBI building is still named for. I have friends emailing me this article asking WTF?
Shame on Tim Cook...truly a scandal of a very high magnitude. I can't even imagine anything worse. /s View AttachmentFamily Holds Funeral for 4-Year-Old Girl Killed in Russian Missile AttackLiza Dmytriyeva, a 4-year-old with Down syndrome, died when a flash of fire and metallic shrapnel erupted near her and her mother during a walk in Vinnytsia, Ukraine. Her mother, Iryna, lost a leg and remains unconscious. Hilarious! You left out 9/11 and "you're either with us or against us" Patriot Act emotional blackmail, but good try! The problem with the WWII analogies is, the Ukrainians are the Nazis and the Russians are the 1940's conservatives fighting a "new world order" trying to conquer the world. Other than that, well done sir!
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Post by Ted on Jun 1, 2023 12:34:07 GMT -8
It's always great when Uncle JD comes by for his monthly visit to politicize shit on the forum.
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Post by JDSoCal on Jun 1, 2023 12:41:01 GMT -8
It's always great when Uncle JD comes by for his monthly visit to politicize shit on the forum. Always nice to be appreciated. But someday, I hope to be loved as much as the Uniparty loves the Military-Industrial Complex and the Intelligence Deep State. The entire point being, if you allow a backdoor once (because meanie Putin, terrorism, money laundering, the children), it's always there. Too bad some find the Fourth Amendment a silly political rant.
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Post by Luckychoices on Jun 1, 2023 12:53:20 GMT -8
How dare Apple do this to Russia? Why would Apple do anything to upset Russia? Putin's a good guy. Ukraine accuses Russia of genocide after bombing of children's hospitalView AttachmentThat's right...so true. It's just one country invading its neighbor...none of our business. INVASION OF POLAND, FALL 1939Exactly! That US Deep State is the worst. TFG warned us about the US Deep State. Shame on Tim Cook...truly a scandal of a very high magnitude. I can't even imagine anything worse. /s View AttachmentFamily Holds Funeral for 4-Year-Old Girl Killed in Russian Missile AttackLiza Dmytriyeva, a 4-year-old with Down syndrome, died when a flash of fire and metallic shrapnel erupted near her and her mother during a walk in Vinnytsia, Ukraine. Her mother, Iryna, lost a leg and remains unconscious. Hilarious! You left out 9/11 and "you're either with us or against us" Patriot Act emotional blackmail, but good try! Hilarious? Bombing a children's hospital is hilarious? Killing innocent civilians is hilarious? The problem with the WWII analogies is, the Ukrainians are the Nazis and the Russians are the 1940's conservatives fighting a "new world order" trying to conquer the world.Other than that, well done sir! Good for you...you readily admit that you back the Russians invading Ukraine and bombing civilian targets. It's apparently OK, in your world, to completely destroy cities and kill the innocent populace...as long as Ukraine is governed by those that Putin has labeled Nazis. Got it.
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Post by Ted on Jun 1, 2023 12:56:05 GMT -8
It's always great when Uncle JD comes by for his monthly visit to politicize shit on the forum. Always nice to be appreciated. But someday, I hope to be loved as much as the Uniparty loves the Military-Industrial Complex and the Intelligence Deep State. The entire point being, if you allow a backdoor once (because meanie Putin, terrorism, money laundering, the children), it's always there. Too bad some find the Fourth Amendment a silly political rant. Yeh, right. Too bad somebody can't get off his fuckin soapbox. As 4aapl posts. We have the choice to build this board up, or tear it down. Make the right choice, or don't post here. To All: Let's continue to keep politics that are not on-topic to a minimal on the main areas. But if you really feel you need to have your piece said, and can do so without name calling of people here, politicians, political parties, etc, then put it in the Dungeon.
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Post by JDSoCal on Jun 1, 2023 13:55:34 GMT -8
Hilarious! You left out 9/11 and "you're either with us or against us" Patriot Act emotional blackmail, but good try! Hilarious? Bombing a children's hospital is hilarious? Killing innocent civilians is hilarious? The problem with the WWII analogies is, the Ukrainians are the Nazis and the Russians are the 1940's conservatives fighting a "new world order" trying to conquer the world.Other than that, well done sir! Good for you...you readily admit that you back the Russians invading Ukraine and bombing civilian targets. It's OK to completely destroy cities and kill the innocent populace, in your world...as long as Ukraine is governed by those that the Putin has labeled Nazis. Got it. I find your attempts at emotional blackmail hilarious and predictable. My feewings about Russia's actions are irrelevant (not that I concede your versions of the facts, since they likely come from a deep state mouthpiece like the NY Times). They are what they are and were very predictable (see John Mearsheimer's writings and lectures, inter alia). Because we caused them. I'm a realist. I analyze world events through strategic empathy, not emotionalism. And from that point of view, Russia is Japan in 1941, not Germany in 1939. That is, the lesson is not western appeasement, but hostility, bossiness, and inflexibility. We've surrounded Russia under the pretext of an old anti-Soviet North Atlantic defense treaty created in the time of Stalin. We've backed military coups in Ukraine (2014) and have a bunch of secret military labs and bases in Ukraine (this isn't even really disputed). Ukraine is the unfortunate pawn of the US Deep State and its Military-Industrial Complex clients. "Yeah baby, come with me I'll treat you right" (in a sultry Barry White voice). And after we thoroughly F her, we will ultimately kick her to the curb, knocked up and millions dead. We are NOT the good guys in Ukraine. There are no good guys. There are only interests. NATO and the US promised Boris Yeltzin in 1990 they would never try to corral Ukraine into NATO or any other western alliance (there's a copy of that memo floating around on the Internet). Subsequent Russian leaders have been very clear that Ukraine is a red line. Sergei Lavrov has made the point that this is Russia's Cuban Missile Crisis. Ask yourself, how would we react to Russia running a revolution in Mexico, courting them to enter a self-defense pact treaty, and opening secret labs there? Why is it OK for us to invade countless countries all the way across the world on very flimsy self-defense rationales (Iran, Afghanistan, Syria, Libya, Yemen, Somalia, inter alia), but Russia invading a country on its border could never be self defense? Not how they see it. I'm shocked how many people on both sides of the aisle see the USA as always the good guys in every conflict. I can assure you the rest of the world does not see it that way. And strategic empathy tries to view things from that lens. There are no good guys, only interests. It's also sad that what passes for foreign policy analysis today is "you're either with us, or you're a Putin stooge." Childish. But don't worry, once the Ukraine conflict ends, and it will end very soon, we'll send in Blackwater to carve up what is left (millions of dead men, and thousands of Ukrainian prostitutes, and a shitload of natural resources that we want). America: We'll cut off your arm, hand you a band-aid, and ask you to say thank you.
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Post by CdnPhoto on Jun 1, 2023 14:24:44 GMT -8
The entire point being, if you allow a backdoor once (because meanie Putin, terrorism, money laundering, the children), it's always there. Too bad some find the Fourth Amendment a silly political rant. Ok, on this one (and this one only), I'm going to agree with JD. Putting a back door in to iOS, no matter the reason, will come back to bite us. A back door can be exploited by others to harm us. I agreed with Apple not putting a back door before, and I'll agree with them not doing it this time. That said, I do recall some company out of Israel that claimed to be able to break in to iPhones. Don't know if that's still valid or not.
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Post by Luckychoices on Jun 1, 2023 15:14:01 GMT -8
The entire point being, if you allow a backdoor once (because meanie Putin, terrorism, money laundering, the children), it's always there. Too bad some find the Fourth Amendment a silly political rant. Ok, on this one (and this one only), I'm going to agree with JD. Putting a back door in to iOS, no matter the reason, will come back to bite us. A back door can be exploited by others to harm us. I agreed with Apple not putting a back door before, and I'll agree with them not doing it this time. That said, I do recall some company out of Israel that claimed to be able to break in to iPhones. Don't know if that's still valid or not. If you and others view JD's comments as only being about "Putting a back door in to iOS", you're not paying attention, IMO. Did I say anything that indicated I thought a back door into IOS was a good idea? I don't. If you and others on this board see Ukraine as "the unfortunate pawn of the US Deep State and its Military-Industrial Complex clients", per JD's description, then I'm very glad I see it differently when I see the scenes of utter destruction and death resulting from Russia's invasion and bombardment of *civilian* targets in Ukraine. And those horrific scenes are readily available on any legitimate news source...not just on "...a deep state mouthpiece like the NY Times".
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Post by macster on Jun 2, 2023 3:56:20 GMT -8
Ok, on this one (and this one only), I'm going to agree with JD. Putting a back door in to iOS, no matter the reason, will come back to bite us. A back door can be exploited by others to harm us. I agreed with Apple not putting a back door before, and I'll agree with them not doing it this time. That said, I do recall some company out of Israel that claimed to be able to break in to iPhones. Don't know if that's still valid or not. If you and others view JD's comments as only being about "Putting a back door in to iOS", you're not paying attention, IMO. Did I say anything that indicated I thought a back door into IOS was a good idea? I don't. If you and others on this board see Ukraine as "the unfortunate pawn of the US Deep State and its Military-Industrial Complex clients", per JD's description, then I'm very glad I see it differently when I see the scenes of utter destruction and death resulting from Russia's invasion and bombardment of *civilian* targets in Ukraine. And those horrific scenes are readily available on any legitimate news source...not just on "...a deep state mouthpiece like the NY Times". Back on subject…. Apple denies spying on Russia for the US appleinsider.com/articles/23/06/02/apple-denies-spying-on-russia-for-the-usIt does not surprise me that US spy agencies have developed a back door for IOS in POSSESSION of the device. And it does not surprise me the Russian Federation Spy agencies have it also thanks to leaking from US Intel, noting the anti US government actions our FBI and DOJ in recent years against free elections, certain presidential candidates and Democracy in general. Crook Putin himself declared in a speech just the other day that the woke cultural and political upheaval in US/Western nations of late reminds him of the Bolsheviks in 1917 pushing insurrection. (No not the the J6 which appears more like the Boston Tea Party than the summer 2020 anti establishment insurrection, the attack on the White House and federal monuments in DC insurrection and the illegal protest at the homes of SCOTUS members not to mention the death threats and the attack on the Kavanaugh hearings. And it also doesn’t surprise me that highly paid hackers in many countries have ways to penetrate targets on individual devices via software.
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Post by 4aapl on Jun 2, 2023 10:56:27 GMT -8
Some people are posting on the current day's thread FWIW, I think we mostly agree that it's good for AAPL to not have a backdoor into an iPhone, even if heinous things sometimes make it tempting. And we might fear that Apple really does have a way in. It's more likely that someone else has come up with a hack, of one sort or another. But the easiest hack is easy passwords/passcodes, viewing someone's password/passcode, or social engineering. Not everything is a conspiracy. But that's what they want you to think. (EDIT: meant to add a couple links. blog.knowbe4.com/social-engineering-101-18-ways-to-hack-a-human-infographic and www.tessian.com/research/how-to-hack-a-human/ were the first google hits, and reading through the first one was a good reminder of the many ways to get hacked. OTOH, these both had buttons to click to download something, a task they called out not to do. I don't know either of these companies. Following their advice, don't download things or SW from places you don't know, and make sure the URL is correct when you think you are downloading something from a known site. Fun times! )
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