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Post by aapl on Mar 21, 2024 2:40:53 GMT -8
I'd assume market reaction would be stronger as Bloomberg ( link) reported last night that Apple's getting sued today by DOJ for antitrust. AAPL is down in the premarkets: @176.40 -$2.27 (-1.27%).
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Post by 4aapl on Mar 21, 2024 6:24:57 GMT -8
A lot depends on what it's over. And if they our found guilty, what's the penalty and solution. But It's really the uncertainty of the whole thing, and the bad press. MSFT as a stock has eventually taken off again, but they basically had a flat 13 years from mid 2000 (other things going on too While I've felt that the app store cut it too high (but what number would be seen as right? Still, a decrease across the board from 30% down to 25% a couple years ago would have taken out some of this steam), and that Apple should push the story of all that it does and compare to the past margins in a letter to the governments or something, their fees have been in line with other app stores.
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Post by Lstream on Mar 21, 2024 6:39:38 GMT -8
I’m going to bet that the App Store fees are not the only issue. I expect Apple to be attacked for having features and advantages that are possible because they control the whole experience. Thereby making it very difficult for competitors to match. Like how dare they provide the best experience that’s only possible on their stuff!? Which I think is pure bull shit. EDIT And here we go.
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Post by zebrum on Mar 21, 2024 6:40:19 GMT -8
This might explain why there was no Spring event, wait for this to blow over, then release the new iPads.
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Post by JDSoCal on Mar 21, 2024 6:48:29 GMT -8
Well, there it is, Apple's friends, Joe Biden and Merrick Garland! So glad all that pandering to the Democrats worked out for Tim Cook and Apple. The good news is, this case will be abandoned in 2025 when daddy comes back, just as happened with Microsoft in 2001. 50% market share has never been held to be a monopoly. Seems to be crickets from the usual suspects defending the Biden Admin on this one. In case you are wondering where this one is headed: Biden Directs DOJ to Reinstate ‘Slush Fund’ Settlement Payments to Special Interest GroupsBiden's DOJ wants cash. Hopefully Apple can hold out until January 20 2025.
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Post by Lstream on Mar 21, 2024 6:48:35 GMT -8
This is not “blowing over”. It marks the beginning of a very long legal fight. I expect years.
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Post by Lstream on Mar 21, 2024 6:52:36 GMT -8
Well, there it is, Apple's friends, Joe Biden and Merrick Garland! So glad all that pandering to the Democrats worked out for Tim Cook and Apple. The good news is, this case will be abandoned in 2025 when daddy comes back, just as happened with Microsoft in 2001. 50% market share has never been held to be a monopoly. Seems to be crickets from the usual suspects defending the Biden Admin on this one. Dream on. Republicans are no friend of Apple either. And I am no defender of the Biden administration. I hate both choices.
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Post by aaplcrazie on Mar 21, 2024 7:25:34 GMT -8
WTF: By tightly controlling the user experience on iPhones and other devices, Apple has created what critics call an uneven playing field where it grants its products and services access to core features that it denies rivals Since when did "Business " make its services and Products available to Business rivals? So should we supply The Chinese with Ford Class nuclear Aircraft Carriers? Perhaps give Russia the B-21 Raider? From NYT Comments: "The government's complaints read like a list of reasons that I buy the Apple products that I do (and pay more to do so.) When I don't want those features that Apple offers, I buy non-Apple products that are generally far less expensive. " Whiskey Tango Foxtrot aaplcrazie Sends Out.
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Post by gtrplyr on Mar 21, 2024 7:57:37 GMT -8
Haven't posted in a long time but still here and still long AAPL.
I don't think it's fair to blame Biden's administration for the DOJ, they are separate entities.
I see JDsoCal is stil pushing his right wing bs. "Daddy" ... pathetic.
I'll take AAPL at $0 rather than have that moron back in the WH.
iPhone is only somewhere near 60% market share in the US, I don't think that qualifies for a monopoly. I hope Apple fights this one tooth and nail.
Picked the wrong day to come back to this forum
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Post by Luckychoices on Mar 21, 2024 8:03:44 GMT -8
Haven't we already learned our lesson about allowing *blatant* political commentary to be posted to the AFB? This board's original purpose was for discussing all things Apple...*not* political positions. In previous years, I spent way too many hours in the Dungeon expressing my views and countering others...it was a *ridiculous* waste of all of our time.
A *reasonable*, intelligent person can still express frustration with government's actions towards Apple without specifically naming persons or parties. IMO, the only person who *wouldn't* comment in this manner is a person who doesn't care whether the AFB survives or not.
If a person just can't comment on the board without ranting against individual politicians or political parties, the monitors should remove that comment and limit the person's ability to make *any* comments for a set period of time. We don't need a poll to identify what would eventually cause this board to wither and die.
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Post by 4aapl on Mar 21, 2024 8:04:00 GMT -8
At one point Apple was really rocking it on the PR side of things, pushing their message, and why their way was the best way.
How many of Apple's problems in the past decade could have been improved with some PR or communication? Throttled iPhone batteries. But really all the things, like antenna worries, bending worries, map issues, OS upgrade pullbacks, security issues, payment chip issues, tracking issues. It's not always a giving away your secrets thing, or setting yourself up for a lawsuit. For the throttled batteries, after experiencing complete shutdowns on an iPhone 5S with a 5 year old battery in temperatures as warm as 50 degrees F, I completely understand what they were trying to do, and feel they were doing the right thing. But if from the start they gave a message that said "your battery is old and only holds 60% of the energy that a new one does. This may cause your iPhone to turn off. Until you replace the battery, we suggest running in lower power mode to prevent unexpected shutdowns."
Done! It's a positive, extending the lifetime of your old device and preventing shutdowns, instead of being seen as some sneaky way to lower the performance of your device and encourage you to buy a new one.
While Apple does tend to be secretive, they also tend to aim for doing the right thing, at least by their frame of reference.
I'm not the best with communication either, and several problems in the past were due to the lack of it, just like several problems in the future likely will too. But Apple used to be good at this, should see this problem, and can build up a team to do better at it.
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Post by gtrplyr on Mar 21, 2024 8:06:48 GMT -8
Apologies for responding, I should have just ignored the comment.
I do think it's important to point out that the Presidential administration and DOJ are independent from each other.
I think the DOJ is way off on this one but in all honesty, after seeing what happened to Microsoft many years ago, I was fully expecting this.
Cheers to the longs.
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Post by aaplcrazie on Mar 21, 2024 9:35:20 GMT -8
"Governments manipulating stock prices.
I'd love to see all the decision makers at the EU and DOJ show their and their families holdings in Apple and its competing companies."
And when did they Know!!
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Post by duckpins on Mar 21, 2024 9:40:13 GMT -8
Garland was a bad choice by Obama and now he continues to haunt America. In the whole scheme of things many people want a safe phone, one that doesn't endlessly hunt data and track your every move. The more "open" the OS system is the harder it is for Apple to control security. Get an ANDROID and look at the apps put their by Samsung, google and ATT for instance. There are many. Do you want them, do you know what they do? No. I tried a Note and found I could not even delete the ATT apps. "This will cause your phone..." There are real issues in society, this is not one of them. Apple has plenty of competition just like Porsche. Do you want a Porsche or a Nissan?
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Post by 4aapl on Mar 21, 2024 10:38:01 GMT -8
We all get a little worked up at times. It's hard to not flip to politics when the government is involved. And even if at times it seems more like having to vote for the candidate you dislike the least rather than the one you like the most, the parties have been seen to go after rich companies and people differently. Maybe they need a PR change too, since framing it in a different way could be a positive? "Look at all of these great schools and roads your success is helping pay for, improving America!" Not quite a win-win, but at least there is some sugar coating, good PR, and sense of working together. Looking through CNN's list of 5 things, at the 50,000 foot level they aren't insurmountable. Green bubbles, Apple Pay and other reasons why America says Apple is breaking the lawThe blue vs green bubble shouldn't be a thing. There are technological issues with the old texting systems (ie reason why there isn't full 2 way encryption, and possible data and emoji limits). As for differing color, it's useful to show they can't get some of these things (like map labeling dirt roads different than paved). But Apple has already said they are changing part of this, to the newer standard out there. Really if they carry through with that, while show the limitations of the old, or other justification, they should be fine. On NFC payments, this is something they just are opening up for the EU. Say why (security), and open it up, maybe putting some sort of limit on it. It is money. Seems like the Federal Reserve or FDIC or someone should be having some sort of oversight on who can do this stuff, or maybe you just sandbox it and let places go at it. Apple offers to open iPhone NFC payments to third-party providers after EU investigationThe Apple Watch tied to the iPhone seems strange. This article pushes that side, whereas I thought another talked about 3rd party watches not working as well with the iPhone. It's tough, as part of the push is the two working together, and it seems at least some of the settings are on the iPhone instead of all being accessed on the tiny screen of the Watch. But if Apple did open it up, the first round of benefit seems like it would be for more people to be able to buy an Apple Watch, a net benefit for Apple. Just like when Apple put iTunes on Windows, and switched the iPod from using Firewire (not as common on a PC) to using the dock connector and USB. This would require a lot of changes, or an Apple built Android app that had all of these things. But instead of "letting" people with an Apple Watch move from having an iPhone to an Android, it would likely go the other way. Get some Android uses to buy an expensive smartwatch that they wear all the time, and they are likely being introduced to the ecosystem. And some percentage would then buy an iPhone at their next upgrade. "No, no, don't throw me in the Briar Patch" (Watch just reminded me to take a break and get up from my chair, which I listened to. Now if only it reminded me that the new and improved iPhones have been out for a while, and I should upgrade.) 4th on their list is banning 3rd party app stores. I think security and usability are improved for consumers by doing this. But pricing and maybe availability of apps that wouldn't pass Apple's standards would be reasons the government would say things would be improved for consumers. Pricing is the biggie there. An easy defense would be if new 3rd party app stores worldwide for iOS and Android had similar fee structures, or even 3rd party computer applications or gaming platforms. What is Nintendo's take on a downloaded 3rd party game? The 5th is a strange one that I don't hear much about, and yet possibly an issue that I'm now having second hand issues with: In theory that makes sense, basically preventing workarounds to the app store, and security wise not wanting to run outside code, while on the UI side keeping the intended look and feel. But as an example of this, the kids in the engineering program at the high school are in a MIT competition to build an invention. After at least 89 roofs collapsed in the region last year due to excessive snow, they are building a gauge to detect excess stress on roofing, reading a device with an Arduino and Raspberry Pi, and sending the info to your phone. Well, the MIT thing to help create an easy app only works with Android, so their demo last night to the community was only on Android. I'll have to look into it more to see the limitations. If the rules of the competition only allow using the MIT app maker, and it doesn't support iOS at all, we'll have problems. But if it's just a little more difficult, we'll get it done. It's just funny to hear one of the kids have to say that it is only on Android, when of the 100 kids/parents/community in the room, it's likely 90% iOS. But at first blush it seems like this is related to this note of mini and super apps, along with the limitation on universal programing languages. I can understand the reasoning, but can also understand the frustration and potential limitation. It will be interesting to explore this a bit, but hopefully for the MIT challenge there is an easy workaround, without just having to make it web based. If nothing else, there's probably an existing app that can pull updates from a website or app, for a functional solution even if it can't be used directly in the competition. So it seems like most to all of the main issues have a reasonable solution or defense. But this will drag everyone through the mud. And the last 5 years, individually and with what Apple has faced, shows that the law doesn't always do what I (or most) might think is right. And it also makes me dislike that so much seems to have to be decided in the courts.
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Post by macster on Mar 21, 2024 10:51:32 GMT -8
I do think it's important to point out that the Presidential administration and DOJ are independent from each other. Cheers to the longs. Correction The White House and the DOJ are packed full of Obama appointees just like the lower courts. They are one and the same .
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Post by Luckychoices on Mar 21, 2024 11:15:23 GMT -8
We all get a little worked up at times.It's hard to not flip to politics when the government is involved. And it was difficult to keep my two sons from constantly arguing when they were young...but now that they're adults, they *behave* like adults. They monitor their own behavior and don't get "a little worked up" when they have a difference of opinion. The members of this board are adults...are you suggesting that members don't need to monitor our behavior and can/should respond in kind when another member posts a ridiculously political comment mentioning both individuals and parties? What's the point of having *Moderators* that don't moderate? Definition of moderatorINTERNET & TELECOMS someone who makes sure that the rules of an internet discussion are not broken, for example by removing any threatening or *offensive* messages
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Post by lulli on Mar 21, 2024 11:29:14 GMT -8
Those commentaries that don't have anything to do with aapl are indeed boring, all the same rants, always. So filter them out. and let's get back to the basic stuff (got an itch for posting since I haven't done it for a while).. - The fee charged by apple to developers is 15 percent of their income (it's 30% only for the first year), which covers all the costs of software distribution, packaging, delivery, and all the cost of payment processing, to and from all over the world. This is cheaper than it would cost to sell an app independently. Some (bigger) developers are unhappy when this also applies to in-app purchases when those purchases are for content they deliver.
- Many people (me included), buy iphones exactly for the reason why the DoJ is suing them. Completely agree with that NYT commenter cited by aaplcrazie.
- Apple does not have a "real" monopoly because they don't own the phone market, people can choose between phones from apple and phones from others. Everyone who has their own product has a kind of monopoly when it regards to that product. So the issue with apple is that it is big.
I would see something moving regarding (1), where the fee could decrease even further after the first two years for applications that provide content. Or maybe apple will relent and allow people to use external payment services for that kind of streaming content (but not for an in-app purchase that enables the functionality of an app, which is more similar to actually purchasing the app after a trial period). But I would see great difficulties in arguing for monopolistic behavior because of (2) and (3), and apple has a lot of money and good lawyers. It's also possible that this finally results in apple implementing a switch in iOS that effectively says "disable apple-controlled safe mode operation". People who want it would then flip that switch and download and use all they want. But all the others will still purchase iphones becasue they know they can leave that switch in the "on" position, and then enjoy privacy, safety, and all the other good things they offer.
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Post by 4aapl on Mar 21, 2024 11:35:49 GMT -8
We all get a little worked up at times.It's hard to not flip to politics when the government is involved. And it was difficult to keep my two sons from constantly arguing when they were young...but now that they're adults, they *behave* like adults. They monitor their own behavior and don't get "a little worked up" when they have a difference of opinion. The members of this board are adults...are you suggesting that members don't need to monitor our behavior and can/should respond in kind when another member posts a ridiculously political comment mentioning both individuals and parties? What's the point of having *Moderators* that don't moderate? Definition of moderatorINTERNET & TELECOMS someone who makes sure that the rules of an internet discussion are not broken, for example by removing any threatening or *offensive* messagesNone of us are perfect. It seems like we have to go down this path every time that someone brings up politics. It would be an easy path to just ban people left and right (ohhh, I wasn't even trying to be political there) whenever politics even was mentioned. But when asked here, most people said they wanted politics to be avoided, but that we shouldn't be absolute in following a rule about this. I guess that makes it more of a guidance than a rule. But if you are tired of seeing a particular user's posts, we also each have the ability to "Block Member". For me I see this choice when I click on a User, and then use the dropdown settings menu. I think for non-moderators it is also available in the main view. Sorry if that is not the solution or the board feeling on the guidance that you would prefer. (EDIT: FWIW here's the poll, from almost 2 years ago aaplfinance.proboards.com/thread/3409/board-politics-poll . It takes a while if you want to reread all of the posts, but shows the problems and feelings then were pretty much our problems and feelings now, and were said to be our problems and feelings from 2 years prior. My wife just got home from some skiing at a resort near us that I haven't been to in 26 years. She got a discount ticket for ladies day, but is offering the RFID to me. Conditions suck (in the 50's, so mushy in the sun, and still ice in the shade), but I'm going to bend the rules and try it out.)
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Post by dmiller on Mar 21, 2024 12:07:39 GMT -8
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Post by hrace on Mar 21, 2024 12:45:37 GMT -8
Can we reopen the 2025 price target guessing? Kidding.
If I don’t laugh, I will cry. Mad I didn’t see this threat coming, even if it has been looming on the horizon. Unsure where it takes us. So far still holding all my shares.
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Post by Luckychoices on Mar 21, 2024 13:12:34 GMT -8
And it was difficult to keep my two sons from constantly arguing when they were young...but now that they're adults, they *behave* like adults. They monitor their own behavior and don't get "a little worked up" when they have a difference of opinion. The members of this board are adults...are you suggesting that members don't need to monitor our behavior and can/should respond in kind when another member posts a ridiculously political comment mentioning both individuals and parties? What's the point of having *Moderators* that don't moderate? Definition of moderatorINTERNET & TELECOMS someone who makes sure that the rules of an internet discussion are not broken, for example by removing any threatening or *offensive* messagesNone of us are perfect. It seems like we have to go down this path every time that someone brings up politics. It would be an easy path to just ban people left and right (ohhh, I wasn't even trying to be political there) whenever politics even was mentioned. Did I say anything about banning someone? I suggested that having the post removed and losing the privilege of posting for a week or two may encourage people to control their political urges. But when asked here, most people said they wanted politics to be avoided, but that we shouldn't be absolute in following a rule about this. Yes, I remember the poll...and I remember who decided the choices that should be *in* that poll. I guess that makes it more of a guidance than a rule. So, no rules...only *guidance*...got it. But if you are tired of seeing a particular user's posts, we also each have the ability to "Block Member". For me I see this choice when I click on a User, and then use the dropdown settings menu. I think for non-moderators it is also available in the main view. It's not a question of being "tired of seeing a particular user's posts"...it's a question of is this a board which will focus on all things AAPL/Apple or does anything go? Blocking a user does nothing to prevent harm to the longevity of the board.Sorry if that is not the solution or the board feeling on the guidance that you would prefer. It's not a question of what *I* would prefer. It wasn't that long ago that you were trying to get more people to comment on the daily tread...this periodic, highly abusive political commentary is only going to attract people who agree with it...but will repel those who don't. And, IMO, the people who insist on making these periodic abusive political statements don't give a rat's ass about whether the AFB is around a year from now or not. Keeping the discussion *completely* non-political and focused on AAPL/Apple will help this board survive. The Moderators should be moderating...otherwise, why are they needed?
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Post by JDSoCal on Mar 21, 2024 15:04:02 GMT -8
Haven't posted in a long time but still here and still long AAPL. I don't think it's fair to blame Biden's administration for the DOJ, they are separate entities. I see JDsoCal is stil pushing his right wing bs. "Daddy" ... pathetic. I'll take AAPL at $0 rather than have that moron back in the WH. iPhone is only somewhere near 60% market share in the US, I don't think that qualifies for a monopoly. I hope Apple fights this one tooth and nail. Picked the wrong day to come back to this forum Nonsense, the DOJ - especially this DOJ, which has persecuted the sitting president's chief political opponent - is a political branch, which is why the FTC was also given the portfolio of antitrust enforcement, to be a non-political enforcer. Part of being a president is setting enforcement priorities with his executive agencies, and DOJ (unlike the FTC) falls under that purview. Or is it just a coincidence that the Microsoft DOJ case ended as soon as Bush took office? (or why Clinton fired every US Attorney and replaced them with his guys?). Do you seriously believe that if Biden had said to Garland, "you will sue Apple over my dead body" that case gets filed? Tell me you're not that naive. As for the no politics thing, I'd ask a rhetorical question since I am traveling and won't be able to reply soon: What would a sitting president have to do for it to be relevant to this board? Nationalize Apple? Drone strike Tim Cook in his HQ office? I mean this case directly affects us all, people. And with a different president it might have not happened. I 'd put money on it that it would never have happened under Trump. Hopefully, he'll encourage his AG to drop the case in January 2025. Unless the DOJ shakes Apple down for cash before then. And boy does this DOJ love "sue and settle." WTH, it's just shareholder wealth being stolen.
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Post by 4aapl on Mar 21, 2024 16:44:50 GMT -8
Sorry if that is not the solution or the board feeling on the guidance that you would prefer. It's not a question of what *I* would prefer. It wasn't that long ago that you were trying to get more people to comment on the daily tread...this periodic, highly abusive political commentary is only going to attract people who agree with it...but will repel those who don't. And, IMO, the people who insist on making these periodic abusive political statements don't give a rat's ass about whether the AFB is around a year from now or not. Keeping the discussion *completely* non-political and focused on AAPL/Apple will help this board survive. The Moderators should be moderating...otherwise, why are they needed? It looks like you've only been averaging about a half a post a day for the past 3 weeks, including all threads. Today you posted 3 times. Around 600% of normal. It seems like this abusive political commentary isn't only going to attract people who agree with it. But hey, lots of people were down today, with several of us down 7 figures like you were, and I think some people even down 8 figures. That can really get people riled up, and being absolute in troubling times is a little tone deaf. Not all of us can completely be "an unemotional investor". JD's comments were a little political, but I don't think you can truthfully say that there is no truth in them. Different political parties do lean different ways on different issues. Imagine that! Again, the poll from before showed that most people felt the moderation was at a fairly good level, with a slight tilt towards worrying about things a little less. Some people said that they couldn't possibly agree with any of the poll choices within the 5 options given. If you choose to not vote, that's on you. We had a guy in town that legally changed his name to Santa Claus, and was normally on the presidential balet or could be a write in. But doing so was a lost vote, not even being able to decide which option you liked better, or if it came to it which option you disliked less. You seem to consistently dislike JD's posts, worrying that his inability to 100% keep politics out of it will sink the board. We have 4 active moderators across the spectrum of political views, and no moderator brought it up. I think we realize we are all different people and have different idiosyncrasies (or issues), along with different preferences. We don't agree with all things that posters here believe or feel. But getting viewpoints from a variety of different people here has been important enough that we keep coming back here for well over a decade. Thanks for your input. It's nice to see the thoughts and reactions of multiple users across a wide range of viewpoints.
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Post by hledgard on Mar 21, 2024 17:02:00 GMT -8
I consistently really like JD's post, and think they are thoughtful and nicely written. He is a great contribution to this board !
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Post by pauls on Mar 21, 2024 17:42:12 GMT -8
Same ol' same ol' some things never change. Like JD's singular driveby political rants, "thoughtful and nicely written!" hahahahahaha
Sorry. I thought we decided we aren't allowed to 'name the president' back in the good old days of 'trade wars are easy' and weekly, market-moving tweets. I'll never forget the AAPL haircut days of the Trump admin., lol. Whoops. Move this post if i'm out of line.
There was a time when even bringing up presidential policy and it's effects on AAPL would send your post straight to the dungeon. I guess we got past that.
No-one else throws political grenades, it is very strange behavior, at the very least, no?
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Post by 4aapl on Mar 21, 2024 18:20:31 GMT -8
Sorry. I thought we decided we aren't allowed to 'name the president' back in the good old days of 'trade wars are easy' and weekly, market-moving tweets. I'll never forget the AAPL haircut days of the Trump admin., lol. Whoops. Move this post if i'm out of line. There was a time when even bringing up presidential policy and it's effects on AAPL would send your post straight to the dungeon. I guess we got past that. We've been keeping our moderation moderate, both because the board has generally managed to get along, but also because that's what "the people" voted for in that poll, nearly 2 years ago. Sometimes people can just get along, even if they have differing views on some topics. A week ago there was an interesting interaction that I saw, in real life. Two people that I know in town, both longtime residents who work in what many would consider blue collar jobs, were talking to each other outside of the grocery store. I said hi, after just talking with one of them in the checkout line. I kept walking by, but they said they were talking about retirement destinations. What was interesting to me was that while they were having a seemingly good conversation, they are about polar opposites on the political scale. One often posts on Facebook about the injustices in the world over income while talking up Biden and Obama, while the other one has at times attached an American flag to the back of his Ram, and gone to Trump rallies. (interestingly enough, both could be mistaken for Harley riders, both are snowboarders, both are mountain bikers, and both are nice guys) Politics doesn't always have to be a dividing issue. Especially when you have other things to talk about. And we do have other things to talk about. While it looks like this case is weak, in general and especially after watching Billions, I wouldn't think they would bother coming in with a case they didn't think they could at least partially win. It could be just a PR thing, pushing "for the people". But I bet they think they have a case. Like was said, this is likely a multiyear process. No matter who is or might later be in office.
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Post by pauls on Mar 21, 2024 18:42:57 GMT -8
"Sometimes people can just get along, even if they have differing views on some topics...."
Yes, we know. This is about JD's political rant, nothing else. There is a LOT of 'people just getting along', and then there's JD.
Lots of different views, of course. That's mine.
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Post by Lstream on Mar 21, 2024 18:56:00 GMT -8
It was political-driven baseless and inflammatory speculation. Designed to rile people up. And it sure as hell worked. He has no idea whether Trump will shut this down or not. No one does. Likely not even Trump.
It’s shit disturbing on a day when a bunch of us are pissed after taking a massive haircut. F*** that is my opinion.
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Post by Lstream on Mar 21, 2024 19:14:53 GMT -8
I consistently really like JD's post, and think they are thoughtful and nicely written. He is a great contribution to this board ! Except when he isn’t, like today. I have huge respect for his thoughts on Apple.
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