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Post by hledgard on Mar 25, 2024 17:25:35 GMT -8
Your point is well taken, and I agree. But I still really like his posts !
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Post by Dave on Mar 26, 2024 2:13:20 GMT -8
I only read JD’s posts in order to execute my responsibilities as a Moderator. What a very elitist statement. And I thought that it was your responsibility to read every post looking for those that do not conform. Strange, that is how I view the small group here that only post their disagreements of others. Those that they deem unworthy and whose viewpoint has no value. Those that must be silenced. What a heavy burden you must carry.
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Post by Luckychoices on Mar 26, 2024 10:18:27 GMT -8
I only read JD’s posts in order to execute my responsibilities as a Moderator. What a very elitist statement. And I thought that it was your responsibility to read every post looking for those that do not conform. Conform to what exactly, Dave? Do you remember the post made by gtrplyr last Thursday, a little over an hour after JD's political commentary(which you and 3 others gave a "Like", BTW)? And of the 4 who gave a "Like" to JD's obviously political commentary, 2 of the 4 are AFB Moderators. I guess the 2 of you decided that JD's comment *conformed*.
Anyway, this was gtrplyr's response: ========= Haven't posted in a long time but still here and still long AAPL. I don't think it's fair to blame Biden's administration for the DOJ, they are separate entities. I see JDsoCal is stil pushing his right wing bs. "Daddy" ... pathetic. I'll take AAPL at $0 rather than have that moron back in the WH.iPhone is only somewhere near 60% market share in the US, I don't think that qualifies for a monopoly. I hope Apple fights this one tooth and nail. Picked the wrong day to come back to this forum========= His post got a "Like" from 10 members, only one of which is a moderator.You will note that he only occasionally responds to follow-up posts. IMHO, that is because he is not really interested in dialog, since he cannot imagine that anyone who disagrees with him could be adding any valuable thoughts.Strange, that is how I view the small group here that only post their disagreements of others. Those that they deem unworthy and whose viewpoint has no value. Those that must be silenced. What a heavy burden you must carry. A " small group here that only post their disagreements of others"? Dave, 10 members gave a "Like" to gtrplyr's comment and only 4 to JD's...w hich is the smaller group of members?
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Post by platon on Mar 27, 2024 22:04:15 GMT -8
Strange, that is how I view the small group here that only post their disagreements of others. Those that they deem unworthy and whose viewpoint has no value. Those that must be silenced. What a heavy burden you must carry. A "small group here that only post their disagreements of others"? Dave, 10 members gave a "Like" to gtrplyr's comment and only 4 to JD's...which is the smaller group of members?[/quote] No one denies that there are more members that gravitate to the liberal than the Conservative but they are made up of non-Americans as well. It has been that way since the old board was in existence. As usual though you miss the point. There is is only one side who rather than argue their point they seek to ban one side of the disagreement. You want an echo chamber of your political views and if you get it you are fine with political comments. I will give you an example as evidence of this.
Go back to the no-politics thread and see who the two members are which were the first to trash Trump in their posts and go political. You were the one who made the rules and one of the first to break them in that thread. I will give you a hint one of them was you and the other was just an "echo chamber" for your views. When you did this I pointed out to you in that thread that you broke your own rule and 4aapl replied with something like this "Well just the first minute (of your video) was political". I could point out numerous times you did this but the fact is that I don't care how political you get or how bad you hate Trump. The only people whose reaction is to ban opposing political views rather than debate them are those who can't handle being told they are wrong and that someone actually disagrees with them. You have proven time and again you are fine with political posts that agree with your views which is a typical trait of the left in this Country,
I followed all of the rules that Lovey and 4aapl laid out to appease you guys and I know you can have me banned and that is fine with me, but you can't stop me from reading it and smirking every time you obviously break the very rules that you guys put in place here. Now I hope 4aapl stays strong about JD because he is great asset for this forum and if you want traffic here you should try and get him to post here as often as he can, and I will point out that I really don't remember any Conservative posters who tried to shutdown your opposing views, I know I didn't. Goodbye Lucky I won't be posting here again as it is my belief that politics affect large corporations just like they affect individuals. As you may see in this next election cycle (hopefully not) they have the ability not only to bring down large corporations but even Countries as well.
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Post by hledgard on Mar 28, 2024 4:57:16 GMT -8
"Now I hope 4aapl stays strong about JD because he is great asset for this forum and if you want traffic here you should try and get him to post here as often as he can."
I agree with this ! !
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Post by coma on Mar 28, 2024 5:48:47 GMT -8
. . . and in Apple intraday news, AAPL opened today at 171.70.
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Post by Dave on Mar 28, 2024 5:59:34 GMT -8
What a very elitist statement. And I thought that it was your responsibility to read every post looking for those that do not conform. Conform to what exactly, Dave? Do you remember the post made by gtrplyr last Thursday, a little over an hour after JD's political commentary(which you and 3 others gave a "Like", BTW)? And of the 4 who gave a "Like" to JD's obviously political commentary, 2 of the 4 are AFB Moderators. I guess the 2 of you decided that JD's comment *conformed*.
Anyway, this was gtrplyr's response: ========= Haven't posted in a long time but still here and still long AAPL. I don't think it's fair to blame Biden's administration for the DOJ, they are separate entities. I see JDsoCal is stil pushing his right wing bs. "Daddy" ... pathetic. I'll take AAPL at $0 rather than have that moron back in the WH.iPhone is only somewhere near 60% market share in the US, I don't think that qualifies for a monopoly. I hope Apple fights this one tooth and nail. Picked the wrong day to come back to this forum========= His post got a "Like" from 10 members, only one of which is a moderator.Strange, that is how I view the small group here that only post their disagreements of others. Those that they deem unworthy and whose viewpoint has no value. Those that must be silenced. What a heavy burden you must carry. A " small group here that only post their disagreements of others"? Dave, 10 members gave a "Like" to gtrplyr's comment and only 4 to JD's...w hich is the smaller group of members?As I've said before that I will click the Like Button on someone's post for many reasons. For example: This morning, as most mornings, I Liked aapl's post because I appreciate his willingness to start the daily thread. Not because of his report that AAPL was in the red in premarket. Personally I think that everyone that visits this board should give a thumbs-up to whoever is generous enough to take the time and effort to start each day. But that's just me. And as far as may liking gtrplyr's post, I liked the first sentence and the last two. I'm glad that gtrplyr posted and that his investment choice is with Apple. But I disagree with his political viewpoint. But those are all his choices and I respect those as I would like for everyone else here to respect the choices of others. And as far as the number of Likes that make Right reminded me of the story of the 10 wolfs surrounding the 4 sheep and wanting to take a vote on the dinner menu.
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Post by Ted on Mar 28, 2024 6:44:31 GMT -8
I disagree with Platon here. It's not true that the lefties here want their views to be louder than the righties or whatever. The point is to keep politics out of the threads as much as possible. Politics divide us while AAPL unites us. Surely there are ways to express one's views without taunting or invoking the name of "Big Daddy" or whomever.
The same rules apply to ALL. Let's keep it real.
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Post by macster on Mar 28, 2024 11:00:46 GMT -8
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Post by Luckychoices on Mar 28, 2024 12:56:00 GMT -8
Strange, that is how I view the small group here that only post their disagreements of others. Those that they deem unworthy and whose viewpoint has no value. Those that must be silenced. What a heavy burden you must carry. A " small group here that only post their disagreements of others"? Dave, 10 members gave a "Like" to gtrplyr's comment and only 4 to JD's...w hich is the smaller group of members? No one denies that there are more members that gravitate to the liberal than the Conservative but they are made up of non-Americans as well. It has been that way since the old board was in existence. Ah, so this the is the AAPL Finance Board of the United States...and not just the AAPL Finance Board. I was unaware of that. As usual though you miss the point. There is is only one side who rather than argue their point they seek to ban one side of the disagreement. You want an echo chamber of your political views and if you get it you are fine with political comments. I will give you an example as evidence of this. Go back to the no-politics thread and see who the two members are which were the first to trash Trump in their posts and go political. You were the one who made the rules and one of the first to break them in that thread. I will give you a hint one of them was you and the other was just an "echo chamber" for your views. When you did this I pointed out to you in that thread that you broke your own rule and 4aapl replied with something like this "Well just the first minute (of your video) was political". I could point out numerous times you did this but the fact is that I don't care how political you get or how bad you hate Trump. The only people whose reaction is to ban opposing political views rather than debate them are those who can't handle being told they are wrong and that someone actually disagrees with them. You have proven time and again you are fine with political posts that agree with your views which is a typical trait of the left in this Country, Actually, no. We should have all proved to ourselves that political statements should be verboten on this site. I wasted precious hours of my life in the Dungeon responding to those with different political thoughts, like yourself. I believe the moderators should follow Lstream's suggestion and move any post containing *any* political comment to the dungeon and notify the poster why it was moved. That's ANY political comment, left or right.
I followed all of the rules that Lovey and 4aapl laid out to appease you guys and I know you can have me banned and that is fine with me, but you can't stop me from reading it and smirking every time you obviously break the very rules that you guys put in place here. That's great...that was then and this is now. And remember, what we have here are guidelines, not rules. And I not only cannot have you banned, I wouldn't ban you even if I could. Feel free to smirk away. Now I hope 4aapl stays strong about JD because he is great asset for this forum and if you want traffic here you should try and get him to post here as often as he can, and I will point out that I really don't remember any Conservative posters who tried to shutdown your opposing views, I know I didn't. To quote the comment you just made about me, "As usual though you miss the point". I believe there are 4 moderators for the AFB...and 4aapl is one...so, it's not a question of 4aapl being "strong" about JD's comments...it's about *all* moderator insuring *everyone* follows the guidelines and being consistent. If a moderator refuses to moderate, they shouldn't be a moderator...it's just that simple. Of course, since we're all adults, we shouldn't need all that much moderating, should we? I hope JD continues to post here and that he posts more frequently than he does now. I would just expect that he follows the guidelines that apply to all of us. When he posts about Apple almost every member would agree his posts are informative and valuable to the rest of us. I almost forgot to address this part of your comment, "...if you want traffic here you should try and get him to post here as often as he can...". Do you really believe that JD draws more people to this site? Really? Goodbye Lucky I won't be posting here again as it is my belief that politics affect large corporations just like they affect individuals. As you may see in this next election cycle (hopefully not) they have the ability not only to bring down large corporations but even Countries as well. Well, we both know that's bullshit...of course you'll post here again...but not about Apple, never about Apple. I'm sure that the first time you see an opportunity to post something politically related, you'll do so. However, if your post involve a quote from another member, please try to do it right next time. Your latest post showed me as the person who made Dave's comment and *my* actual words were mixed with yours...it was a mess.
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Post by hledgard on Mar 28, 2024 14:11:57 GMT -8
It is hard to separate politics from any stock. Political decisions affect us all in some way or other. It is very hard to moderate. Why not just let it all be.
If it gets boisterous, off-color, or vulgar, then delete a post.
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Post by Luckychoices on Mar 28, 2024 15:20:06 GMT -8
Conform to what exactly, Dave? Do you remember the post made by gtrplyr last Thursday, a little over an hour after JD's political commentary(which you and 3 others gave a "Like", BTW)? And of the 4 who gave a "Like" to JD's obviously political commentary, 2 of the 4 are AFB Moderators. I guess the 2 of you decided that JD's comment *conformed*.
Anyway, this was gtrplyr's response: ========= Haven't posted in a long time but still here and still long AAPL. I don't think it's fair to blame Biden's administration for the DOJ, they are separate entities. I see JDsoCal is stil pushing his right wing bs. "Daddy" ... pathetic. I'll take AAPL at $0 rather than have that moron back in the WH.iPhone is only somewhere near 60% market share in the US, I don't think that qualifies for a monopoly. I hope Apple fights this one tooth and nail. Picked the wrong day to come back to this forum========= His post got a "Like" from 10 members, only one of which is a moderator.A " small group here that only post their disagreements of others"? Dave, 10 members gave a "Like" to gtrplyr's comment and only 4 to JD's... which is the smaller group of members? As I've said before that I will click the Like Button on someone's post for many reasons. For example: This morning, as most mornings, I Liked aapl's post because I appreciate his willingness to start the daily thread. Not because of his report that AAPL was in the red in premarket. Personally I think that everyone that visits this board should give a thumbs-up to whoever is generous enough to take the time and effort to start each day. But that's just me. Yes, that's very nice, Dave...I often give a "Like" to whomever opens with the first post, as well. See...we agree on something. In fact, I've given a "Like" to some of your posts previously and you have done so with some of mine. But I notice you didn't click "Like" on that particular gtrplyr's post...you weren't one of the 10 who did. Why not? As you say below, you liked 50% of his sentences. And as far as may liking gtrplyr's post, I liked the first sentence and the last two. I'm glad that gtrplyr posted and that his investment choice is with Apple. But I disagree with his political viewpoint. And he disagrees with yours...that much is clear...no problem. But, in fact, the reason his comment contained any politics at all was because he was responding to JD's previous political rant. But those are all his choices and I respect those as I would like for everyone else here to respect the choices of others. But, as it happens, even though we're all adults, one member refuses to follow the guidelines... NO POLITICS. AFAIK, that's one of the reasons why we have 4 moderators. If members followed the guidelines on their own, the moderators would be bored and have nothing to do. And as far as the number of Likes that make Right reminded me of the story of the 10 wolfs surrounding the 4 sheep and wanting to take a vote on the dinner menu. Which story is that, Dave? Do you have a link to that story? Can I assume from your comment that you think 10 to 4 is an insignificant result...2.5X is insignificant? That would certainly be a convincing result if it were electoral votes.
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Post by Ted on Mar 28, 2024 18:25:48 GMT -8
It is hard to separate politics from any stock. Political decisions affect us all in some way or other. It is very hard to moderate. Why not just let it all be. If it gets boisterous, off-color, or vulgar, then delete a post. Yes, this could work, but only if there weren't a troll among us. If people here could discuss politics in a reasonable and emotionally detached way, then, sure, anything would be fair game, but JD has repeatedly proven the need for a no politics rule because he just *loves* to stir the pot. He has no interest in self-moderation. He has written that. We all want him here for his insights, but not his obnoxious tendencies and lack of respect. It's a bit of a conundrum. Also the one rule we do have isn't even enforced by the mods, so where does that put us? If the mods would delete/move non-compliant posts, then I think we'd all be happy and could try allowing political talk as it strictly applies to AAPL. Is it time for a new poll?
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Post by Luckychoices on Mar 28, 2024 20:55:21 GMT -8
It is hard to separate politics from any stock. Really? Then how is it everyone else seems to manage it?Political decisions affect us all in some way or other. It is very hard to moderate. Why not just let it all be. IOW, have no moderation *whatsoever*...all because one person ignores the AFB guidelines when it suits him. That's not the way to go.
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Post by macster on Mar 29, 2024 4:34:32 GMT -8
It is hard to separate politics from any stock. Really? Then how is it everyone else seems to manage it?Political decisions affect us all in some way or other. It is very hard to moderate. Why not just let it all be. IOW, have no moderation *whatsoever*...all because one person ignores the AFB guidelines when it suits him. That's not the way to go. Will you please knock it off. These long endless rants from you are exhausting. Granted this one was short and actually read. The others? Who actually reads these long drawn out itemized approval/rebuttals?
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Post by Dave on Mar 29, 2024 5:43:59 GMT -8
I agree Macster. And I think that the only solution is for Lucky to become a moderator himself.
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Post by Lstream on Mar 29, 2024 7:05:26 GMT -8
It is hard to separate politics from any stock. Political decisions affect us all in some way or other. It is very hard to moderate. Why not just let it all be. If it gets boisterous, off-color, or vulgar, then delete a post. Surprised you would say this, given the history here. Unfettered political discussion descends into bickering and in-fighting. Swamping everything else. I’m fine with adult conversations about the impact of political decisions. But that’s not possible here without moderation. That should be obvious. The post that started all of this is a good example of the impact of no moderation. Where is the value in that post, when it is politically biased, unfounded speculation on what Trump would do if he gets elected again? No one knows what he would do, and that post sure looks like it was designed to piss people off. It succeeded. Just imagine what would happen to the discourse here, if everyone did this with no restrictions. This place would become a total shit show, and discussions of value would be swamped by bickering. Been there. Done that. No thanks.
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Post by Lstream on Mar 29, 2024 7:31:18 GMT -8
I agree Macster. And I think that the only solution is for Lucky to become a moderator himself. Sounds more like you two guys are auditioning for the job
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Post by Dave on Mar 29, 2024 10:47:02 GMT -8
I agree Macster. And I think that the only solution is for Lucky to become a moderator himself. Sounds more like you two guys are auditioning for the job Well, I might consider the moderators position if they would double the pay. Let’s see, 0 x 2 = ?
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Post by Luckychoices on Mar 29, 2024 11:18:31 GMT -8
Really? Then how is it everyone else seems to manage it?IOW, have no moderation *whatsoever*...all because one person ignores the AFB guidelines when it suits him. That's not the way to go. Will you please knock it off. I'll be happy to "knock it off...but, if you notice, every post I've made, except the one regarding JD's comment, was a *reply* to someone addressing me. I'll "knock it off" when others, like you, stop replying to me. If you remember, you were the one 4aapl tried to stop from making comments on a thread which *clearly* specified, NO POLITICS. The thread was created to share information among the AFB members and existed for 9 pages while it was available. You joined the discussion on page 8 and made 6 politics-related posts followed by 8 politics-related posts on page 9. The following is a list of comments that 4aapl made *directly* to you before he had to kill the thread:Aug 13, 2021 at 7:46am - But, like how the vaccine itself and the choice to get it shouldn't be a political decision, nor should this thread. Please try to keep politics out of it.Aug 13, 2021 at 11:18am - Anyways, you managed to get me to slide a bit too much into politics, on a post that has really asked for just the facts and info on Covid. Let's all do better at this. Aug 17, 2021 at 10:02pm - Moved this thread into the dungeon, since it is not Apple or AAPL related. Per the thread title, continue to make an effort to keep politics out of it. Please remember that this site is for discussion about investing in Apple/AAPL. If that's not the primary reason why you come to this board, then you're in the wrong place. Aug 24, 2021 at 11:08am - I was careful not to say anything political, and neither did lstream. It’s possible to talk about things and not make it political.Aug 24, 2021 at 10:13pm - I guess we just don't need this thread here. Thanks Macster, for being the one to push it over the edge. I've asked again and again to not post political stuff here, in this thread or even this board. And yet we can't seem to manage that. Instead of disabling particular users for a week or a month when applicable, or just banning them, I'm killing the thread. So, how about that? There were 250 replies to the thread in the 504 days *before* you first commented...and yet you managed to get the thread killed in only 14 days by ignoring 4aapl's repeated requests, directly to you, to *not* make political comments on the thread. These long endless rants from you are exhausting. Granted this one was short and actually read. The others? Who actually reads these long drawn out itemized approval/rebuttals? Well, apparently *you* do...but I have a great option for you. In order to avoid any "long drawn out itemized approval/rebuttals", why not just block me and be done with it?
I'm sure ono would be happy to explain to you how to do it.
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