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Post by Lstream on Mar 22, 2024 4:52:24 GMT -8
Thanks for the links. This is a gem from the first story.
Wow!! I’ve misunderstood competition strategy for my entire life. I thought the way to effectively compete was to make your products better. Silly me. All along I should had our developers make a worse product. How absolutely brilliant of the DOJ. I bow before their business brilliance.
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Post by Ted on Mar 22, 2024 5:59:40 GMT -8
Well, that was quite the thread yesterday. I didn’t see it until late last night. I’ve got a comment.
4aapl, you seem to feel that the poll you took two years ago frees you from having to moderate at all, but the fact is that there’s only one person on the forum who can’t refrain from periodically being an obnoxious political troll, and who feels it’s okay to piss off half of us by shitting in the pool. If there are no rules and no enforcement, then why shouldn’t I come on here every few days and rile up the conservatives with childish trolling too? We all could do that - why should any of us have to respect other people on the board? I see a lot of hemming, hawing and equivocating on your part, but no willingness to set limits on the one poster who refuses to self-moderate.
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Post by firestorm on Mar 22, 2024 7:37:38 GMT -8
If there is to be a jury trial of Apple, can we be on the jury?
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Post by audiosculpture12 on Mar 22, 2024 7:54:20 GMT -8
Well, that was quite the thread yesterday. I didn’t see it until late last night. I’ve got a comment. 4aapl, you seem to feel that the poll you took two years ago frees you from having to moderate at all, but the fact is that there’s only one person on the forum who can’t refrain from periodically being an obnoxious political troll, and who feels it’s okay to piss off half of us by shitting in the pool. If there are no rules and no enforcement, then why shouldn’t I come on here every few days and rile up the conservatives with childish trolling too? We all could do that - why should any of us have to respect other people on the board? I see a lot of hemming, hawing and equivocating on your part, but no willingness to set limits on the one poster who refuses to self-moderate. Totally agree, though I'm only here rarely now. Partially because of that members nonsense. Paradox of tolerance.
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Post by macprof on Mar 22, 2024 8:38:22 GMT -8
I'm always thrown when people use the frequency of posting as an argument against somebody's post that contradicts their beliefs. I've always believed its quality not quantity that counts. As noted previously, posting frequency doesn't necessarily correlate with usefulness. One well thought out, poignant comment can be far more insightful and helpful than a thousand whimsical ones. The latter can be nice on slow days to keep people engaged, though personally I tend to scroll past those.
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Post by Dave on Mar 22, 2024 8:42:38 GMT -8
4aapl, I think I see a lot of new applicants for the position of moderator. I’m guessing that there are no limits to the total number of moderators so technically we all could have that position. But perhaps there should be a few qualifications such as having posted xx number of times and of those postings were complaints about other people’s posts. I’m not sure of what ones complaint post ratio would be acceptable, but I’m confident that many here would fail to qualify for the position of moderator. Personally, I think that the moderators here do a fantastic job (except for one).
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Post by 4aapl on Mar 22, 2024 8:57:32 GMT -8
Well, that was quite the thread yesterday. I didn’t see it until late last night. I’ve got a comment. 4aapl, you seem to feel that the poll you took two years ago frees you from having to moderate at all, but the fact is that there’s only one person on the forum who can’t refrain from periodically being an obnoxious political troll, and who feels it’s okay to piss off half of us by shitting in the pool. If there are no rules and no enforcement, then why shouldn’t I come on here every few days and rile up the conservatives with childish trolling too? We all could do that - why should any of us have to respect other people on the board? I see a lot of hemming, hawing and equivocating on your part, but no willingness to set limits on the one poster who refuses to self-moderate. Ted, what exactly is it that you want to see here? Why have you come here for years, and what keeps you coming back? If there were no more posts, would you miss it? I've found this place helpful over the years, and want to see it continue. But this is our board, and so we get to collectively decide what it is or isn't. Like life, it's easy sometimes to get swept up by the few vocal ones, and so I created a poll nearly 2 years ago. With almost 30 people voting, the most votes were that there was a decent level of moderation, or that a little less moderation should happen. And this was likely driven by the history of the board, where Lovemyimac was pretty lax for a while, and then we had no moderation for a long time until Since84 managed to help moderate and gather the current group of moderators, while also approving new members. Your words above, and Lucky's from then and now, both point to this former poll being somehow flawed. So make a new one, in your words, to get the current preferences. What do we want to see here on this board? And the followup is that if people want changes to be heavy handed on moderation, how exactly do you want to deal with it and make it happen? Personally I was bugged the most by Lucky's response. The truth hurts. But it's more than that, it's that it is exactly how I feel this board should be, of being open enough to hear other viewpoints. Of realizing that yes, people are more "riled up" when big frustrating things happen, especially financially. And yes, there should be a little humor, personal stories, or even outside information. Without that we'd just be "just the facts, ma'am" boring summarization without any real draw. My personal take is that we're all adults here with a similar investment mindset on AAPL, and can manage to get along well enough. And while we might disagree with things or people here sometimes, we also have the tools to personally squelch posts if needed. Our past 12 years of primarily self-moderation has worked out generally well, and unless we are going to have a strict and specific set of rules that a script or an outside paid moderator can follow, there is always going to be varying opinions on any moderation task. While I've had lots of people in the past thank me for helping out with the near-thankless task here, due primarily to Lucky's comments I'm going to take a break here while you guys figure out what you want to see here, and how you are going to implement it.
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Post by Lstream on Mar 22, 2024 9:36:42 GMT -8
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Post by aaplcrazie on Mar 22, 2024 11:07:02 GMT -8
One gem for the DOJ Argument:
“To protect its smartphone monopoly — and the extraordinary profits that monopoly generates — Apple repeatedly chooses to make its products worse for consumers to prevent competition from emerging.””
Oh Yeah, that must be why the Active IOS User base is over 2,000,000,000.00 because People want a Worse Product!!
Yeah that must be it. Sorted DOJ!!!
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Post by Lstream on Mar 22, 2024 11:37:14 GMT -8
And by extension, if you make your product entirely useless, you will obliterate the competition. Brilliant!
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Post by Dave on Mar 22, 2024 12:02:46 GMT -8
Well, that was quite the thread yesterday. I didn’t see it until late last night. I’ve got a comment. 4aapl, you seem to feel that the poll you took two years ago frees you from having to moderate at all, but the fact is that there’s only one person on the forum who can’t refrain from periodically being an obnoxious political troll, and who feels it’s okay to piss off half of us by shitting in the pool. If there are no rules and no enforcement, then why shouldn’t I come on here every few days and rile up the conservatives with childish trolling too? We all could do that - why should any of us have to respect other people on the board? I see a lot of hemming, hawing and equivocating on your part, but no willingness to set limits on the one poster who refuses to self-moderate. Ted, what exactly is it that you want to see here? Why have you come here for years, and what keeps you coming back? If there were no more posts, would you miss it? I've found this place helpful over the years, and want to see it continue. But this is our board, and so we get to collectively decide what it is or isn't. Like life, it's easy sometimes to get swept up by the few vocal ones, and so I created a poll nearly 2 years ago. With almost 30 people voting, the most votes were that there was a decent level of moderation, or that a little less moderation should happen. And this was likely driven by the history of the board, where Lovemyimac was pretty lax for a while, and then we had no moderation for a long time until Since84 managed to help moderate and gather the current group of moderators, while also approving new members. Your words above, and Lucky's from then and now, both point to this former poll being somehow flawed. So make a new one, in your words, to get the current preferences. What do we want to see here on this board? And the followup is that if people want changes to be heavy handed on moderation, how exactly do you want to deal with it and make it happen? Personally I was bugged the most by Lucky's response. The truth hurts. But it's more than that, it's that it is exactly how I feel this board should be, of being open enough to hear other viewpoints. Of realizing that yes, people are more "riled up" when big frustrating things happen, especially financially. And yes, there should be a little humor, personal stories, or even outside information. Without that we'd just be "just the facts, ma'am" boring summarization without any real draw. My personal take is that we're all adults here with a similar investment mindset on AAPL, and can manage to get along well enough. And while we might disagree with things or people here sometimes, we also have the tools to personally squelch posts if needed. Our past 12 years of primarily self-moderation has worked out generally well, and unless we are going to have a strict and specific set of rules that a script or an outside paid moderator can follow, there is always going to be varying opinions on any moderation task. While I've had lots of people in the past thank me for helping out with the near-thankless task here, due primarily to Lucky's comments I'm going to take a break here while you guys figure out what you want to see here, and how you are going to implement it. 4aapl I agree with everything you said in this post except that last part about you taking a break from this board. If your going to wait for everyone here or in our nation to agree then you will be waiting for a very long time. I've always enjoyed reading your posts, no matter the subject, as I find value in them. Your efforts are appreciated.
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Post by aaplcrazie on Mar 22, 2024 12:41:21 GMT -8
And by extension, if you make your product entirely useless, you will obliterate the competition. Brilliant! We had to destroy The Village in order to Save it!
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Post by Lstream on Mar 22, 2024 13:01:19 GMT -8
Well, that was quite the thread yesterday. I didn’t see it until late last night. I’ve got a comment. 4aapl, you seem to feel that the poll you took two years ago frees you from having to moderate at all, but the fact is that there’s only one person on the forum who can’t refrain from periodically being an obnoxious political troll, and who feels it’s okay to piss off half of us by shitting in the pool. If there are no rules and no enforcement, then why shouldn’t I come on here every few days and rile up the conservatives with childish trolling too? We all could do that - why should any of us have to respect other people on the board? I see a lot of hemming, hawing and equivocating on your part, but no willingness to set limits on the one poster who refuses to self-moderate. Ted, what exactly is it that you want to see here? Why have you come here for years, and what keeps you coming back? If there were no more posts, would you miss it? I've found this place helpful over the years, and want to see it continue. But this is our board, and so we get to collectively decide what it is or isn't. Like life, it's easy sometimes to get swept up by the few vocal ones, and so I created a poll nearly 2 years ago. With almost 30 people voting, the most votes were that there was a decent level of moderation, or that a little less moderation should happen. And this was likely driven by the history of the board, where Lovemyimac was pretty lax for a while, and then we had no moderation for a long time until Since84 managed to help moderate and gather the current group of moderators, while also approving new members. Your words above, and Lucky's from then and now, both point to this former poll being somehow flawed. So make a new one, in your words, to get the current preferences. What do we want to see here on this board? And the followup is that if people want changes to be heavy handed on moderation, how exactly do you want to deal with it and make it happen? Personally I was bugged the most by Lucky's response. The truth hurts. But it's more than that, it's that it is exactly how I feel this board should be, of being open enough to hear other viewpoints. Of realizing that yes, people are more "riled up" when big frustrating things happen, especially financially. And yes, there should be a little humor, personal stories, or even outside information. Without that we'd just be "just the facts, ma'am" boring summarization without any real draw. My personal take is that we're all adults here with a similar investment mindset on AAPL, and can manage to get along well enough. And while we might disagree with things or people here sometimes, we also have the tools to personally squelch posts if needed. Our past 12 years of primarily self-moderation has worked out generally well, and unless we are going to have a strict and specific set of rules that a script or an outside paid moderator can follow, there is always going to be varying opinions on any moderation task. While I've had lots of people in the past thank me for helping out with the near-thankless task here, due primarily to Lucky's comments I'm going to take a break here while you guys figure out what you want to see here, and how you are going to implement it. Not a good outcome for you to be taking a break. Just my opinion, but I feel that the whole situation could have been defused by just moving that post to the dungeon. Given the history around here, it was basically guaranteed to create a ruckus, which of course it did. I didn’t see any real “truth” in it. Just rabble rousing speculation with no facts. The author knew that people getting pissed, was almost certainly a guaranteed outcome, and did it anyway. That type of post is why the dungeon exists. These are the most politically divisive times we have ever experienced. The outcome was obvious. And now we have a weakened board for no good reason whatsoever.
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Post by aaplsauce on Mar 22, 2024 13:42:39 GMT -8
Maybe it would be helpful for moderators to serve a one year term and then step aside for a year, and let another member fill the position.
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Post by chinacat on Mar 22, 2024 14:46:18 GMT -8
Maybe it would be helpful for moderators to serve a one year term and then step aside for a year, and let another member fill the position. Perhaps I am wrong, but I am unaware of a mob of members demanding to be “allowed” to be moderators. I would certainly support a mechanism that would enable members to privately suggest demotion for any moderator perceived to have a negative influence on the atmosphere or fairness of the board. The obvious danger would be the escalation of such situations to spread dissatisfaction with the moderation of the forum in general. The reason that I decided to serve was due to my appreciation for the positive effect that I observed from the actions of moderators after I joined.
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Post by Luckychoices on Mar 22, 2024 16:06:18 GMT -8
Well, that was quite the thread yesterday. I didn’t see it until late last night. I’ve got a comment. 4aapl, you seem to feel that the poll you took two years ago frees you from having to moderate at all, but the fact is that there’s only one person on the forum who can’t refrain from periodically being an obnoxious political troll, and who feels it’s okay to piss off half of us by shitting in the pool. If there are no rules and no enforcement, then why shouldn’t I come on here every few days and rile up the conservatives with childish trolling too? We all could do that - why should any of us have to respect other people on the board? I see a lot of hemming, hawing and equivocating on your part, but no willingness to set limits on the one poster who refuses to self-moderate. Ted, what exactly is it that you want to see here? Why have you come here for years, and what keeps you coming back? If there were no more posts, would you miss it? I've found this place helpful over the years, and want to see it continue. But this is our board, and so we get to collectively decide what it is or isn't. I can't speak for Ted but the fact that he's continued to come here for years means to me that he would surely miss it...and so would I. That's why we're willing to speak up when a member ignores the *guidelines* whenever it suits him. In order for guidelines to properly work, *everyone* needs to follow them. Not most people...not everyone except for him...everyone. Like life, it's easy sometimes to get swept up by the few vocal ones, and so I created a poll nearly 2 years ago. With almost 30 people voting, the most votes were that there was a decent level of moderation, or that a little less moderation should happen. And this was likely driven by the history of the board, where Lovemyimac was pretty lax for a while, and then we had no moderation for a long time until Since84 managed to help moderate and gather the current group of moderators, while also approving new members. Your words above, and Lucky's from then and now, both point to this former poll being somehow flawed. So make a new one, in your words, to get the current preferences. What do we want to see here on this board? And the followup is that if people want changes to be heavy handed on moderation, how exactly do you want to deal with it and make it happen? Yes, I think the poll should have been worded a little differently...but it's not about a poll. Polls can certainly *address* the problem...but who decides the difference between "a decent level of moderation" and "heavy handed on moderation"? Do we take another poll? It should be enough that members agree that *specific* political comments are not permitted for the ongoing survival of the board. Personally I was bugged the most by Lucky's response. The truth hurts. But it's more than that, it's that it is exactly how I feel this board should be, of being open enough to hear other viewpoints. Of realizing that yes, people are more "riled up" when big frustrating things happen, especially financially. I'm *very* willing to hear other viewpoints about anything *directly* related to AAPL/Apple. I'm *not* willing to have someone post their political beliefs and opinions to this board with no regard for the people who feel differently and are uninterested in being subjected to periodic tirades. If I were interested in discussing politics or hearing from someone ranting about their political beliefs, I'd seek out an online political board. And yes, there should be a little humor, personal stories, or even outside information. Without that we'd just be "just the facts, ma'am" boring summarization without any real draw. I agree completely. My personal take is that we're all adults here with a similar investment mindset on AAPL, and can manage to get along well enough. And while we might disagree with things or people here sometimes, we also have the tools to personally squelch posts if needed. My personal take is that some of us appear to be more adult than others. If young kids can understand they must follow simple guidelines in a classroom, it's not asking too much to expect adults to follow them in an online board such as this one. Our past 12 years of primarily self-moderation has worked out generally well, and unless we are going to have a strict and specific set of rules that a script or an outside paid moderator can follow, there is always going to be varying opinions on any moderation task.Then I would ask why it is that, AFAIK, there are 0 incidents of members posting a similar comment regarding TFG? It doesn't take a genius IQ for any long term AFB member to realize what doesn't work...we've *seen what doesn't work when it comes to mixing one's political ideology with the ongoing AAPL/Apple related discussion on the board. While I've had lots of people in the past thank me for helping out with the near-thankless task here, due primarily to Lucky's comments I'm going to take a break here while you guys figure out what you want to see here, and how you are going to implement it. I was addressing a member who's proven himself to be selfish and immature for refusing to follow the general guidelines that everyone else seems to have no trouble following. If you took my comments as a critique of you *specifically* as a moderator, I apologize to you...that was not my intention. You've been an important member of this board for many years and have contributed *immensely* to its ongoing survival.
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Post by zzmac on Mar 22, 2024 19:06:51 GMT -8
Hmmmph.
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Post by Ted on Mar 22, 2024 21:11:53 GMT -8
I wouldn’t be here if I didn’t appreciate what everyone brings to the board, JD included. And I don’t need big changes either. Really though, it’s not rocket science: If someone posts something that is flagrantly and unnecessarily political and inflammatory, then, just as Lstream suggests, that post should quietly be placed in the dungeon with a respectful message sent to that member explaining why it was moved. Done. As long as the same rule applies to everyone, we’re good.
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Post by hledgard on Mar 23, 2024 6:20:12 GMT -8
I wouldn’t be here if I didn’t appreciate what everyone brings to the board, JD included. And I don’t need big changes either. Really though, it’s not rocket science: If someone posts something that is flagrantly and unnecessarily political and inflammatory, then, just as Lstream suggests, that post should quietly be placed in the dungeon with a respectful message sent to that member explaining why it was moved. Done. As long as the same rule applies to everyone, we’re good. I really like what Ted said. And I think any editing should be light. And as for JD, I bet almost every member reads his post, because they are thoughtful. For me, his posts are the best to read. He adds fun to this board, and brings life to it !
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Post by coma on Mar 23, 2024 9:27:16 GMT -8
I think I can say this without hesitation, JD's comments are from his point of view, I appreciate that and they are far better than that cesspool known as the Yahoo Apple Message Boards that I left many years ago.
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Post by Lstream on Mar 23, 2024 9:52:31 GMT -8
I think I can say this without hesitation, JD's comments are from his point of view, I appreciate that and they are far better than that cesspool known as the Yahoo Apple Message Boards that I left many years ago. Well, that’s about the lowest hurdle ever to overcome. When he’s on topic re Apple, then his comments and insights are outstanding.
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Post by Luckychoices on Mar 23, 2024 12:20:04 GMT -8
I wouldn’t be here if I didn’t appreciate what everyone brings to the board, JD included. And I don’t need big changes either. Really though, it’s not rocket science: If someone posts something that is flagrantly and unnecessarily political and inflammatory, then, just as Lstream suggests, that post should quietly be placed in the dungeon with a respectful message sent to that member explaining why it was moved. Done. As long as the same rule applies to everyone, we’re good. I really like what Ted said. And I think any editing should be light. And as for JD, I bet almost every member reads his post, because they are thoughtful. For me, his posts are the best to read. He adds fun to this board, and brings life to it ! That's nice...I really like what Ted said, as well...especially, this part: " If someone posts something that is flagrantly and unnecessarily political and inflammatory, then, just as Lstream suggests , that post should quietly be placed in the dungeon with a respectful message sent to that member explaining why it was moved. Done. As long as the same rule applies to everyone, we’re good.
So, you *liked* what Ted said...but you think "any editing should be light". Now, since Ted's suggestion about dealing with "flagrantly and unnecessarily political and inflammatory" posts didn't sound like light editing to me, I'm apparently missing something. Please help me out and identify what part of JD's post, enclosed below, that you find thoughtful and fun. Well, there it is, Apple's friends, Joe Biden and Merrick Garland! So glad all that pandering to the Democrats worked out for Tim Cook and Apple. The good news is, this case will be abandoned in 2025 when daddy comes back, just as happened with Microsoft in 2001. 50% market share has never been held to be a monopoly. Seems to be crickets from the usual suspects defending the Biden Admin on this one. In case you are wondering where this one is headed: Biden Directs DOJ to Reinstate ‘Slush Fund’ Settlement Payments to Special Interest GroupsBiden's DOJ wants cash. Hopefully Apple can hold out until January 20 2025.
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Post by hledgard on Mar 23, 2024 17:18:06 GMT -8
I do agree, above post by JD is indeed very political, extremely so.
But it does raise a big point. The 50% rule. When is 50% a monopoly? Why go after AAPL, when you can buy all sorts of other phones? It has always puzzled me.
And why is Tim Cook connecting with the powers to be? He is trying to take the pressure off Apple. But it hardly seems to be working, although I think it is good.
I think the post is thoughtful, and fun because it is tongue-in-cheek.
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Post by ono on Mar 24, 2024 7:34:44 GMT -8
I read this in an Apple news forum. I think it’s pertinent back here.
“We live in an era where fairness is judged by highly biased people with a personal agenda, who are often so jealous of other’s success, that they become obsessed with attacking it as a career opportunity, in the name of doing good. All driven by a media circus that doesn’t know, much less care, what the truth is.”
This may be on point:
“Here are a few tips to developing a thick skin: Don't take things personally. Sometimes you may need to reframe a person's bad behavior by remembering that it's not about you. Don't let others get to you. Refuse to get overly responsive to the negative feelings and provocations of others.”
Note: I shake my head. I smile, or smirk. I’ve thumbs upped JD, not for the politicking, but for the point about Apple, or a snark I find clever.
Push me off my pedestal. Shield yourself. Block me.
"To get started, click the Profile button found in the top menu bar and then on your profile page click the Edit Profile button. You'll then be taken to the Edit Profile & Settings page; once here, click on the Privacy tab. On the privacy page, look for the Member Block List option found at the bottom of the page with a search field. In the search box, begin to type either the username “Ono” or the display name of the member that you want to block and you'll see some search results appear as you type. Once you see the member you want to block appear, click on their micro-profile in the search results list. Once you have selected a member account to block, 4 check boxes will appear asking you which interactions you want to prevent with the member you chose. Check the boxes next to the interactions you want to prevent, and when you have made your selections click the Save Privacy Settings button found at the bottom of the page to complete the process.
Once you have a member blocked in your profile, you can return to the privacy page of your profile at any time to make changes. You can add or remove member from your Block List or change the type of interactions you want to block for any member."
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Post by ono on Mar 24, 2024 7:42:25 GMT -8
Forum moderators, thank you!
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Post by Luckychoices on Mar 24, 2024 11:34:16 GMT -8
I do agree, above post by JD is indeed very political, extremely so. Yup. But it does raise a big point. The 50% rule. When is 50% a monopoly? Why go after AAPL, when you can buy all sorts of other phones? It has always puzzled me. I have another way to raise that big point...one that's not at all political: " 50% market share has never been held to be a monopoly".Now, that does leave off the first part of that particular line, which was, " The good news is, this case will be abandoned in 2025 when daddy comes back..."...but I believe it makes the point perfectly without the political commentary. And why is Tim Cook connecting with the powers to be? He is trying to take the pressure off Apple. But it hardly seems to be working, although I think it is good. So, in your opinion, the best way to express that Tim Cook is "connecting" with the powers to be is by saying, " So glad all that pandering to the Democrats worked out for Tim Cook and Apple."? "connecting" ≠ "pandering"I think the post is thoughtful, and fun because it is tongue-in-cheek. No, actually, it's not. You may *consider* it's tongue-in-cheek...but this is a definition of tongue-in-cheek. His post certainly didn't fit into #1 or #2...and if you think it's #3, "Cleverly amusing in tone", then I'd remind you that you started of your post saying that the post was " very political, extremely so". Which means, given the member guidelines, a member should refrain from posting a political comment about TFG, for example, even if it is " cleverly amusing in tone".
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Post by hledgard on Mar 24, 2024 18:04:29 GMT -8
I bet almost everyone on this forum reads JD's posts. They may be annoyingly political, but in them are thoughtful observations. And he is not long-winded, as some posts are.
Generally speaking, I do agree with the moderators, trying to keep the board on topic. Thanks mods ! You provide a real service ! !
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Post by Luckychoices on Mar 24, 2024 18:27:32 GMT -8
I read this in an Apple news forum. I think it’s pertinent back here. “We live in an era where fairness is judged by highly biased people with a personal agenda, who are often so jealous of other’s success, that they become obsessed with attacking it as a career opportunity, in the name of doing good. All driven by a media circus that doesn’t know, much less care, what the truth is.”I think there may have been a few members with a personal agenda in the past...but the AFB guidelines have mostly caused them to either move on completely or to visit AFB less frequently. I can think of one member in particular who only shows up when comments get political. “Here are a few tips to developing a thick skin: Don't take things personally. Sometimes you may need to reframe a person's bad behavior by remembering that it's not about you. Don't let others get to you. Refuse to get overly responsive to the negative feelings and provocations of others.” That’s good advice…but please remember that the AFB guidelines were put in place only *after* some members got " overly responsive to the negative feelings and provocations of others”. In March of 2020, the beginning of the COVID-19 Pandemic, I started a thread in the Dungeon which I titled, "Coronavirus *information/Update* Thread - No Politics”. I felt the need to append “No Politics” to the end of the title because I thought the subject was important and I didn’t want political comments to dilute the information that could be posted there. As it turned out, some members, two in particular, couldn’t leave politics out of it and after numerous warnings from him, 4aapl felt the need to shutdown the thread in late August of 2021, after yet another unnecessary political comment on a thread titled to be politics free. Note: I shake my head. I smile, or smirk. I’ve thumbs upped JD, not for the politicking, but for the point about Apple, or a snark I find clever. I have also appreciated JD’s Apple-related comments in the past...I’m not sure why he occasionally seems to act like he’s off his meds and insists on adding his political opinions to the mix. You apparently found JD’s Thursday’s snark clever enough to give it a “Like” and a smile...you can certainly like whatever appeals to you, you're not an AFB Monitor…but it’s up to *all* AFB members to follow the AFB guidelines. Push me off my pedestal. Shield yourself. Block me. "To get started, click the Profile button found in the top menu bar and then on your profile page click the Edit Profile button. You'll then be taken to the Edit Profile & Settings page; once here, click on the Privacy tab. On the privacy page, look for the Member Block List option found at the bottom of the page with a search field. In the search box, begin to type either the username “Ono” or the display name of the member that you want to block and you'll see some search results appear as you type. Once you see the member you want to block appear, click on their micro-profile in the search results list. Once you have selected a member account to block, 4 check boxes will appear asking you which interactions you want to prevent with the member you chose. Check the boxes next to the interactions you want to prevent, and when you have made your selections click the Save Privacy Settings button found at the bottom of the page to complete the process.
Once you have a member blocked in your profile, you can return to the privacy page of your profile at any time to make changes. You can add or remove member from your Block List or change the type of interactions you want to block for any member."Blocking a member is certainly an option, but I would never advise AFB members to block other members…especially if those other members, like JD, *mostly* make worthy, Apple-related comments. Blocking them would mean the blocking member would never read and possibly benefit from those comments that pertained to Apple. Also, if a comment doesn’t conform to the AFB’s guidelines, blocking a member doesn’t solve the problem. If *any* member can say FU to the guidelines, it not only makes the AFB Monitor’s tasks more difficult, it also make other members think they should be able to say FU to the guidelines and respond to the political commentary. As Lstream suggested, if a member *occasionally* shows no regard for the AFB guidelines, one of the boards’s monitors should move that offending comment to the Dungeon and remind the member about the guidelines that *all* members should be following. I believe that if guidelines are to be effective, every member must follow them…period. Allowing certain members to ignore the guidelines whenever they feel like doing so is inviting full-on dueling political comments which will threaten the survival of this board.
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chinacat
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Post by chinacat on Mar 25, 2024 8:06:38 GMT -8
I bet almost everyone on this forum reads JD's posts. They may be annoyingly political, but in them are thoughtful observations. And he is not long-winded, as some posts are. Generally speaking, I do agree with the moderators, trying to keep the board on topic. Thanks mods ! You provide a real service ! ! I only read JD’s posts in order to execute my responsibilities as a Moderator. You will note that he only occasionally responds to follow-up posts. IMHO, that is because he is not really interested in dialog, since he cannot imagine that anyone who disagrees with him could be adding any valuable thoughts.
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