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Post by Deleted on Jun 1, 2013 14:29:37 GMT -8
JD, you build your own systems, and you're a power user to boot. So it's only natural that you'll have an inherent "problem" with Apple's way of building Macs. Lucky thing a subset of iMac owners can still install their own RAM. (As an aside, the only reason I finally stopped raging against Apple's GFX cards is that the higher-end is now "good enough" for my needs. I don't need 2560x1440 8x FSAA whatever for my occasional Starcraft 2 game or maybe Bioshock Infinite in the near future. And the raw specs of the higher-end iMac GPU offerings should be more than enough for future versions of OS X for the life of the iMac. The IGPs for MacBook Air, Mac mini though, yeah those still totally suck.) Hey, we have PC users at AFB. Probably some "I've never bought an Apple anything in my life" people. Fine by me. To each their own, y'know? For the 99% of the computer using public, not having access to internal Mac hardware is no big deal. For that segment of the computing populace, computers (of all stripes) have long ago become far more powerful than needed. That is why iPhones and iPads are eating 'traditional' computers for breakfast and lunch. Dinner will be served when Apple introduces a "dumb" terminal. I remember when networks were described as 10BaseT, then 100BaseT. PCs as terminals made sense because of the distributed computing power they offered. But now, we have wireless networks running faster than 1000BaseT, much faster. It won't be long before we're looking at secure Wi-Fi running at 10000BaseT. The need for distributed processing power is not as important today (so much is networked via TCP/IP) that 'dumb' terminals make sense once again. That leaves only the server market for Windows/Linux/UNIX, and will only represent an evening snack to Apple, hardly worth the effort, if at all.
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Post by capablanca on Jun 1, 2013 14:34:27 GMT -8
Be patient. It will not be long now. Lack of value is a relentless destroyer of any business of whatever type.
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Post by Mav on Jun 1, 2013 14:38:57 GMT -8
Warning - pseudo-techie, super-OT post about networking speed ahead
Which wireless networks do you speak of, Gregg? Of the "mainstream" variety, anyway. 802.11ac can be faster depending on config (I've heard of 1.3Gbps, which is a good 30% faster than Gigabit Ethernet/1000BaseT), but it's not really "out there" yet.
I'll be amused when mainstream cable/cellular networks in the US can even begin to push the theoretical maximums of the cabling, hardware, anything. DOCSIS 3.0 cable modems with >>100Mbps support, servicing typical connections well under 50Mbps. LTE, which in my informal testing doesn't get even close to 50Mbps real-world. Cat 5e cables, nowhere near saturated except for intranets and the like. Fiber networks...seems pretty "niche" for the foreseeable future. It's a long way to 500, much less 1000. Guess all that extra bandwidth will just go to much faster AirDrop, wireless file migration or LAN parties. ;D
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Post by Deleted on Jun 1, 2013 15:27:37 GMT -8
JD, you build your own systems, and you're a power user to boot. So it's only natural that you'll have an inherent "problem" with Apple's way of building Macs. Lucky thing a subset of iMac owners can still install their own RAM. (As an aside, the only reason I finally stopped raging against Apple's GFX cards is that the higher-end is now "good enough" for my needs. I don't need 2560x1440 8x FSAA whatever for my occasional Starcraft 2 game or maybe Bioshock Infinite in the near future. And the raw specs of the higher-end iMac GPU offerings should be more than enough for future versions of OS X for the life of the iMac. The IGPs for MacBook Air, Mac mini though, yeah those still totally suck.) Hey, we have PC users at AFB. Probably some "I've never bought an Apple anything in my life" people. Fine by me. To each their own, y'know? For the 99% of the computer using public, not having access to internal Mac hardware is no big deal. For that segment of the computing populace, computers (of all stripes) have long ago become far more powerful than needed. That is why iPhones and iPads are eating 'traditional' computers for breakfast and lunch. Dinner will be served when Apple introduces a "dumb" terminal. I remember when networks were described as 10BaseT, then 100BaseT. PCs as terminals made sense because of the distributed computing power they offered. But now, we have wireless networks running faster than 1000BaseT, much faster. It won't be long before we're looking at secure Wi-Fi running at 10000BaseT. The need for distributed processing power is not as important today (so much is networked via TCP/IP) that 'dumb' terminals make sense once again. That leaves only the server market for Windows/Linux/UNIX, and will only represent an evening snack to Apple, hardly worth the effort, if at all. Only the server market?? Do you have any idea how much money is in server OS, Server hardware and other server software? It's much higher margin than anything desktop. It's also a massive market. I'm guessing close to 60Billion in revenue/year, but it's probably much higher than that.
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Post by lovemyipad on Jun 1, 2013 16:17:36 GMT -8
I think I was too tired Friday night to take in this little sight: Futures
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Post by Mav on Jun 1, 2013 16:27:15 GMT -8
Except, it can all change Sunday, no? I was "excited" for the healthy SPY correction, but who knows now given the China PMI upside surprise.
Amusingly, futures ended indicating SELL OJ and BUY lumber. (Which is just begging for a "timberrrrrr" joke.)
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Post by lovemyipad on Jun 1, 2013 16:31:41 GMT -8
Yep, everything can change Sunday. Let's see if the markets are still in honey badger mode...
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Post by Deleted on Jun 1, 2013 16:49:02 GMT -8
I have to be candid here. I'm in the market for a new laptop. While I feel guilty whenever I buy a non-Apple tech device, the fact that the Retina MBP's are not in any way upgradable by the end user has me looking elsewhere. Soldering in a CPU is bad enough, but soldering in RAM is absolute, complete chickenshit, a practice I intend to e-mail Tim Cook about, the guy who is supposedly all about the customer. I do vow not to consider Samsung. Toshiba and Asus are both copycats too, but they are the only ones with decent customer satisfaction rankings. I'm a 20-year Apple bull, but I'm not going to let fanboy dogma run over my Karma. I got over this by purchasing the maximum ram at point of purchase. I've never upgraded a CPU on an existing machine, so they could use Elmer's glue for all I care. The slimline MPBr isn't exactly the best machines to open up and tinker with in any case. For this to be a problem, wouldn't the customer need to keep the machine for 4-5 years or longer, at which point something else has more significantly obsoleted the gear.
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Post by Mav on Jun 1, 2013 17:30:22 GMT -8
Mercel, but you (and most others) think of liquid cooling as a refreshment at the bar. Or maybe just coolant, as a car enthusiast. ;D
Upgradable RAM (post-purchase) is enough for many of us (it is for me), but not ALL of us.
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Post by artman1033 on Jun 1, 2013 17:50:26 GMT -8
I like this!
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Post by Deleted on Jun 1, 2013 18:10:57 GMT -8
Only the server market?? Do you have any idea how much money is in server OS, Server hardware and other server software? It's much higher margin than anything desktop. It's also a massive market. I'm guessing close to 60Billion in revenue/year, but it's probably much higher than that. Yeah, only the server market. That $60 billion isn't just server OS revenue, its also support revenue, which i'll wager is actually greater than OS revenue. As for the hardware, Apple built some very good server hardware, but shut down that division for lack of interest from the public. And i'll wager the reason there was no interest was the lack of NATIONWIDE in field support services. Big buyers want one stop shopping, and the little buyer wasn't enough for support firms to bother with the OS and/or hardware.
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Post by Mav on Jun 1, 2013 19:48:03 GMT -8
Apple's last attempt at Enterprise, and not really an attempt at that - more of a general addressing of the pro market - will be Mac Pro (Final Act Version?) IMHO.
Enterprise comes to Apple for iPad and iPhone. Talk about a low-hanging fruit. Xserve/XRAID were interesting, but that's just not really Apple's North Star, to borrow Tim Cook's turn of phrase. Third parties take care of stuff like storage solutions, and Apple will maintain OS X Server and iOS enterprise support, and that's pretty much that.
If one attempts to think like Apple, even if the server market were $60B a year, and even if Apple had actual enterprise ambitions (as in, go after enterprise the way IBM does), the math and diversion of resources and focus really doesn't add up. At least not right now. Not when you look at 200M tablets and 400M smartphones @ even a $400 ASP in the very near future...that's about a $250B market, conservatively. The future is not trucks; PARTICULARLY not semis.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 1, 2013 20:02:20 GMT -8
Nicely produced video, but the squarer, simpler less detailed icons remind me of android, which have them because the bulk of the worlds android devices ship with crappy low resolution displays.
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Post by Mav on Jun 1, 2013 20:05:23 GMT -8
Well, flat design may involve somewhat more subdued detail. Far as icon shape, there's the WWDC invite for clues.
Flagship Android devices have either more pixels (720p displays) or actually more pixels and pixel density (never mind that 1080p on a 5" display just really isn't a good idea from a power consumption OR actually appreciated beyond fanboy crowing detail standpoint). Apple's fine on pixel density, after all, they're the mainstream pioneers in this space, but I'm wondering how they'll address the BigPhone issue.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 1, 2013 20:15:36 GMT -8
I'm much more interested in seeing what Craig Federighi and his team are bringing to iOS this year than I am in seeing what visual tweaks Ive has made.
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Post by Mav on Jun 1, 2013 20:19:00 GMT -8
IMPROVE SIRI PLEASE
That's wish number one.
As far as farther-out wishes, enabling iPad's multitouch gesture set on iPhone would be a start. The iPhone 5 home button is much more robust-seeming than any other generation but I would like the ability to not have to double-tap or single-tap all over the place.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 1, 2013 20:21:58 GMT -8
Well, flat design may involve somewhat more subdued detail. Far as icon shape, there's the WWDC invite for clues. Flagship Android devices have either more pixels (720p displays) or actually more pixels and pixel density (never mind that 1080p on a 5" display just really isn't a good idea from a power consumption OR actually appreciated beyond fanboy crowing detail standpoint). Apple's fine on pixel density, after all, they're the mainstream pioneers in this space, but I'm wondering how they'll address the BigPhone issue. I agree with you that flagship Android devices do have very nice displays, but google has to design android to look good on the bulk of android devices that ship worldwide with sub par displays. Whereas the extreme level of detail you see on Apple app icons on retina displays I think are a deliberate design choice to show off Apples superior hardware. I may be overreacting, but taking out all the app icon detail back to a simpler 'flatter' design will reduce the first look benefits of apples device compared to competitors lower end offerings.
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Post by mark on Jun 1, 2013 20:26:23 GMT -8
I have to be candid here. I'm in the market for a new laptop. While I feel guilty whenever I buy a non-Apple tech device, the fact that the Retina MBP's are not in any way upgradable by the end user has me looking elsewhere. Soldering in a CPU is bad enough, but soldering in RAM is absolute, complete chickenshit, a practice I intend to e-mail Tim Cook about, the guy who is supposedly all about the customer. I do vow not to consider Samsung. Toshiba and Asus are both copycats too, but they are the only ones with decent customer satisfaction rankings. I'm a 20-year Apple bull, but I'm not going to let fanboy dogma run over my Karma. All the new thin, sealed, laptop computers have soldered RAM. It's the only way to get that thin. Just spring for the 16GB if you think you need so much RAM (what I should have done, but instead got the 8GB RAM version - working well so far).
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Post by Mav on Jun 1, 2013 20:27:53 GMT -8
"Jony's Revenge"? A very real subplot, along with Federighi's own OS sensibilities, which we've yet to see (since iOS has been the major influencer, and, well, you-know-who was DRI for iOS until last year). Ideally, Cook's plan is working well, with Ive and Federighi being more equal partners, and Ive just giving design direction more than being an actual hands-on Steve Jobs, which would necessarily mess with Federighi's ability to actually move the iOS code forward.
There's more than one way to show off a pixel. As I'd said earlier, to say that Ive is "bland" couldn't be farther from the truth - there's more than a little "show-off" in iPhone 5's hardware. Let's wait and see what happens. I'm excited, personally.
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Post by mikez on Jun 1, 2013 20:36:59 GMT -8
"Jony's Revenge"? A very real subplot, along with Federighi's own OS sensibilities, which we've yet to see (since iOS has been the major influencer, and, well, you-know-who was DRI for iOS until last year). Ideally, Cook's plan is working well, with Ive and Federighi being more equal partners, and Ive just giving design direction more than being an actual hands-on Steve Jobs, which would necessarily mess with Federighi's ability to actually move the iOS code forward. There's more than one way to show off a pixel. As I'd said earlier, to say that Ive is "bland" couldn't be farther from the truth - there's more than a little "show-off" in iPhone 5's hardware. Let's wait and see what happens. I'm excited, personally. Yeah. As long as they stick to clean, intuitive design, all will be well.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 1, 2013 22:45:31 GMT -8
Apple's last attempt at Enterprise, and not really an attempt at that - more of a general addressing of the pro market - will be Mac Pro (Final Act Version?) IMHO. Enterprise comes to Apple for iPad and iPhone. Talk about a low-hanging fruit. Xserve/XRAID were interesting, but that's just not really Apple's North Star, to borrow Tim Cook's turn of phrase. Third parties take care of stuff like storage solutions, and Apple will maintain OS X Server and iOS enterprise support, and that's pretty much that. If one attempts to think like Apple, even if the server market were $60B a year, and even if Apple had actual enterprise ambitions (as in, go after enterprise the way IBM does), the math and diversion of resources and focus really doesn't add up. At least not right now. Not when you look at 200M tablets and 400M smartphones @ even a $400 ASP in the very near future...that's about a $250B market, conservatively. The future is not trucks; PARTICULARLY not semis. Personally I think Microsoft has the enterprise server market pretty much cornered so its probably not wise to put too much time or effort into that area, but I still think they need to update iWork. It's almost 5 years old! That's embarrassing. Also, while I think Apple should stay away from the server market, it's because I believe Microsoft has it cornered, not because the market is not large enough. A 60B market is too small for Apple?? Yes Smartphones and Tablets are a great market, but profits are shrinking in both and apple needs to find new markets to grow.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 2, 2013 0:52:08 GMT -8
Apple's last attempt at Enterprise, and not really an attempt at that - more of a general addressing of the pro market - will be Mac Pro (Final Act Version?) IMHO. Enterprise comes to Apple for iPad and iPhone. Talk about a low-hanging fruit. Xserve/XRAID were interesting, but that's just not really Apple's North Star, to borrow Tim Cook's turn of phrase. Third parties take care of stuff like storage solutions, and Apple will maintain OS X Server and iOS enterprise support, and that's pretty much that. If one attempts to think like Apple, even if the server market were $60B a year, and even if Apple had actual enterprise ambitions (as in, go after enterprise the way IBM does), the math and diversion of resources and focus really doesn't add up. At least not right now. Not when you look at 200M tablets and 400M smartphones @ even a $400 ASP in the very near future...that's about a $250B market, conservatively. The future is not trucks; PARTICULARLY not semis. Personally I think Microsoft has the enterprise server market pretty much cornered so its probably not wise to put too much time or effort into that area, but I still think they need to update iWork. It's almost 5 years old! That's embarrassing. Also, while I think Apple should stay away from the server market, it's because I believe Microsoft has it cornered, not because the market is not large enough. A 60B market is too small for Apple?? Yes Smartphones and Tablets are a great market, but profits are shrinking in both and apple needs to find new markets to grow. iWork is rather a strange beast isn't it? Its been out for so long, but some major features like iCloud syncing with iOS versions have been added in the interim, but nothing big enough that would warrant a new version being announced. I think its a side effect of apples lack of divisional structure, which is great in a lot of ways, but means there is no iWork division devoted to producing a new version every x amount of months/years - instead features just get added to iWork as needed by the wider software development team. I wonder if there is even one person devoted solely to iWork? Pretty remarkable considering the tens of millions (hundreds of millions?) in revenue both the iOS & OS X iWork versions bring in annually.
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Post by rob_london on Jun 2, 2013 1:43:32 GMT -8
IMPROVE SIRI PLEASE That's wish number one. As far as farther-out wishes, enabling iPad's multitouch gesture set on iPhone would be a start. The iPhone 5 home button is much more robust-seeming than any other generation but I would like the ability to not have to double-tap or single-tap all over the place. My number one wish for the next iPhone is a marked improvement in battery life.
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Post by mark on Jun 2, 2013 4:35:01 GMT -8
IMPROVE SIRI PLEASE That's wish number one. As far as farther-out wishes, enabling iPad's multitouch gesture set on iPhone would be a start. The iPhone 5 home button is much more robust-seeming than any other generation but I would like the ability to not have to double-tap or single-tap all over the place. My number one wish for the next iPhone is a marked improvement in battery life. You and everyone else The problem is that this requires new technology, and once the new technology is out, every manufacturer will have it in their devices in short order (because it is a "must have" item).
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Post by Deleted on Jun 2, 2013 5:47:06 GMT -8
IMPROVE SIRI PLEASE That's wish number one. As far as farther-out wishes, enabling iPad's multitouch gesture set on iPhone would be a start. The iPhone 5 home button is much more robust-seeming than any other generation but I would like the ability to not have to double-tap or single-tap all over the place. My number one wish for the next iPhone is a marked improvement in battery life. Better battery life is preferable to a thinner iPhone. Seems like a very easy choice for Apple to make here: make the iPhone thicker to fit a bigger battery.
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Post by qualitywte on Jun 2, 2013 6:33:50 GMT -8
I want iCloud improvement!
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Post by rob_london on Jun 2, 2013 6:35:40 GMT -8
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Post by Mav on Jun 2, 2013 7:44:51 GMT -8
WWDC = not the venue to wish for better iPhone hardware right now. iPhone 5 battery life is actually a bit better than good enough IMHO (not great, but not a liability either) and I put my iPhone through medium-high duty pretty regularly. Thicker iPhone? Believe it or not this is a key part of iPhone's brand identity. So Apple will probably put more effort into power management/efficiency until the next wave of battery technology rolls around (in 10 years, hopefully ). Having processors and OS and other components draw less sustained power is always good.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 2, 2013 7:55:10 GMT -8
Fascinating behind-the-scenes negotiation emails giving context to the DOJ's case against Apple. I see both sides to this case but on the basis of equity and long term interests of consumers, Apple's way was best for consumers in the long run (more choices = more competition).
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Post by rickag on Jun 2, 2013 8:26:05 GMT -8
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