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Post by tuffett on Mar 2, 2015 10:32:14 GMT -8
Good to know. Still provides some interesting numbers to play with.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 2, 2015 10:35:24 GMT -8
Personally, I don't know what is real and what isn't, I just wanted the board to take this price list with a grain of salt, and, as I said, we will see tomorrow... We will? The event is March 9th.
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Post by archibaldtuttle on Mar 2, 2015 11:10:21 GMT -8
Personally, I don't know what is real and what isn't, I just wanted the board to take this price list with a grain of salt, and, as I said, we will see tomorrow... We will? The event is March 9th. Damn! I had calendar confusion and thought it was tomorrow! Can't... wait... any... longer...
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Post by Mav on Mar 2, 2015 11:16:28 GMT -8
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Post by Apple II+ on Mar 2, 2015 11:52:57 GMT -8
Who the hell is Marc Gurman, and why is he the last word on such things? Gurman should include a link to the supposed forum post to back up his claim instead of just running his mouth. Looking at the MacRumors forums, I can't find a single post that references these exact prices, let alone photos of the gold bracelet like in Mercel's link to the story referencing an Italian blog. I'm not saying the pricing is accurate, but WTF evidence does Gurman have? By all means, someone link to such a forum post taking responsibility for the pricing and Photoshopping all of those watches. Mark Gurman is the editor/founder of 9to5mac.com Here is the tweet I saw, which has a screenshot of the forum post of the person who photoshopped the list in question: Personally, I don't know what is real and what isn't, I just wanted the board to take this price list with a grain of salt, and, as I said, we will see tomorrow... Glad to see this is speculation. I hope the steel and gold prices will be higher.
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Post by JDSoCal on Mar 2, 2015 12:05:22 GMT -8
OK, let's all verify that links we post are from known & trustworthy sources. In other words, never post links.
Weak price action today. Hope we get an event run-up by the end of the week.
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Post by zzmac on Mar 2, 2015 12:13:56 GMT -8
Are the watches not all the same inside?
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Post by artman1033 on Mar 2, 2015 12:22:37 GMT -8
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Post by artman1033 on Mar 2, 2015 12:48:11 GMT -8
Truth NOT FUD on current PAY fraud: www.droplabs.co/?p=1231SO WHERE ARE WE WITH APPLE PAY AND FRAUD? Fraud in Apple Pay – as I wrote before – came as a surprise to all. Tokenization, On-device secure storage and biometrics separately and together are formidable, but the soft underbelly proved to be provisioning of cards in to AP. At this point, EVERY issuer in AP has seen significant *ongoing* provisioning fraud via customer account takeover. The levels of fraud has varied since launch, but 600bps is now seen as hardly an anomaly. Fraud in the Yellow Path is growing like a weed, and the bank is unable to tell friend from foe. No one, is bold enough to call the emperor naked. So much is now certain: These are organized crime rings that are handing out pre-provisioned devices to mules that are then being used to commit fraud – with much of fraud (for some issuers) – occurring around Miami,FL and Dallas,TX. Prepaid cards unsurprisingly are a tool of choice as they can be quickly converted to cash or goods – and subsequently, untraceable. What was surprising to hear was how many times Apple stores themselves popped up as the store of choice for the fraudster – and yet unsurprising, due to its nature as a luxury retailer. There is a certain irony in one compromised Apple Pay device paying for another – only to be drafted subsequently in to the fraudsters service. But why wouldn’t a fraudster with a stolen card – go to town with online retailers instead of AP? For one - AP fraud offers instant gratification. Further, online retailers who shoulder liability in the occurrence of fraud – has become increasingly sophisticated in fighting it. The 24 hours or more delivery window offers them a sufficient window of opportunity to deploy a number of fraud fighting measures (velocity, device fingerprinting, category checks) – and that’s too much of a coin-toss for a fraudster. AP is proving to be a lot simpler.
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Post by mace on Mar 2, 2015 13:25:42 GMT -8
Don't understand what Drop is talking about. Simpler English please.
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Post by artman1033 on Mar 2, 2015 13:38:24 GMT -8
Don't understand what Drop is talking about. Simpler English please. A crook gets a prepaid card. www.rushcard.comI think it is a debit card preloaded with a certain sum of money. The crook loads the prepaid card onto an iPhone with PAY. The crook buys lots of computers at . The crook sells the computers and iPhone. Is it a big deal? 600 bps = 6% If fraud is 6%, it is a big deal for , not the banks
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Post by rob_london on Mar 2, 2015 13:47:21 GMT -8
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Post by mace on Mar 2, 2015 13:52:47 GMT -8
artman1033
What's wrong? The prepaid card is stolen or fake? Or Apple accepts payment even though there is no money on the debit card?
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Post by moltenfire on Mar 2, 2015 13:52:54 GMT -8
Just received an email from Apple's Beta seed program to test drive Yosemite Public Beta 10.10.3, which includes the new Photos app.
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Post by Mav on Mar 2, 2015 13:56:41 GMT -8
Don't understand what Drop is talking about. Simpler English please. Not 100% sure either. If this was a significant problem it'd be on 10 different major sites and papers by now, no?
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Post by artman1033 on Mar 2, 2015 14:03:20 GMT -8
artman1033 What's wrong? The prepaid card is stolen or fake? Or Apple accepts payment even though there is no money on the debit card? MOST debit cards are tied to your checking account or an account tied to your investments. (like TDA Ameritrade debit card tied to your stock portfolio) On MOST DEBIT cards, any overdrafts are the customer's problem. A prepaid DEBIT card, as I understand, can be purchased at Walmart or any bank. MOST large grocery stores have "gift" card centers. THEY have Visa or MasterCard prepaid cards available for sale. For instance, Grandpa might buy a Grandchild a prepaid $50 DEBIT card for a birthday. The prepaid card loaded onto an iphone with PAY is used to buy lots of products @stores. Apple accepts payment even though there is not enough money on the debit card. I don't think employees have "prepaid" DEBIT cards. They could not have seen this coming.
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Post by artman1033 on Mar 2, 2015 14:06:16 GMT -8
Don't understand what Drop is talking about. Simpler English please. Not 100% sure either. If this was a significant problem it'd be on 10 different major sites and papers by now, no? Do a GOOGLE search on APPLE PAY. I posted on it last Tuesday. aaplfinance.proboards.com/post/75781
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Post by CdnPhoto on Mar 2, 2015 14:06:17 GMT -8
Don't understand what Drop is talking about. Simpler English please. A crook gets a prepaid card. www.rushcard.comI think it is a debit card preloaded with a certain sum of money. The crook loads the prepaid card onto an iPhone with PAY. The crook buys lots of computers at . The crook sells the computers and iPhone. Is it a big deal? 600 bps = 6% If fraud is 6%, it is a big deal for , not the banks Mostly what artman wrote, but instead of getting a prepaid card, crook gets stolen card info from a hacker site. I think the going rate right now is $10-$25/card. Crook adds the card to ApplePay then goes to town before the card is canceled. The problem isn't in the use of ApplePay, but the point where the cards are entered into the ApplePay system. At that point, there isn't sufficient controls to make sure that the card you are entering into your iPhone is actually your card.
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Post by artman1033 on Mar 2, 2015 14:54:12 GMT -8
A crook gets a prepaid card. www.rushcard.comI think it is a debit card preloaded with a certain sum of money. The crook loads the prepaid card onto an iPhone with PAY. The crook buys lots of computers at . The crook sells the computers and iPhone. Is it a big deal? 600 bps = 6% If fraud is 6%, it is a big deal for , not the banks Mostly what artman wrote, but instead of getting a prepaid card, crook gets stolen card info from a hacker site. I think the going rate right now is $10-$25/card. Crook adds the card to ApplePay then goes to town before the card is canceled. The problem isn't in the use of ApplePay, but the point where the cards are entered into the ApplePay system. At that point, there isn't sufficient controls to make sure that the card you are entering into your iPhone is actually your card. RENE RITCHIE www.imore.com/unable-target-apple-pay-criminals-unsurprisingly-stick-fraud-identity-theftCrooks using stolen credit cards. I say it is using prepaid debit cards. We shall see.
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Post by Lstream on Mar 2, 2015 15:09:36 GMT -8
I am really wondering about the high end part of the Apple Watch strategy. Buyers of that product only get two points of differentiation. An exclusive strap and a gold case. Everything else is functionally identical to the cheapest version. Including the watch face that is on display. This is completely different compared to buying an expensive watch now, which is much more exclusive. Every piece of that watch is different. Not just the strap and case.
If Apple can pull this off then good for them, but I don't know how someone spending $10K+ to get gold doesn't come across as having more money than brains, when the $350 device is functionally identical.
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Post by bud777 on Mar 2, 2015 15:32:21 GMT -8
I am really wondering about the high end part of the Apple Watch strategy. Buyers of that product only get two points of differentiation. An exclusive strap and a gold case. Everything else is functionally identical to the cheapest version. Including the watch face that is on display. This is completely different compared to buying an expensive watch now, which is much more exclusive. Every piece of that watch is different. Not just the strap and case. If Apple can pull this off then good for them, but I don't know how someone spending $10K+ to get gold doesn't come across as having more money than brains, when the $350 device is functionally identical. Good pont, but remember the "I am Rich" app that sold for something like $1000 and just put up one screen?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 2, 2015 15:41:27 GMT -8
I am really wondering about the high end part of the Apple Watch strategy. Buyers of that product only get two points of differentiation. An exclusive strap and a gold case. Everything else is functionally identical to the cheapest version. Including the watch face that is on display. This is completely different compared to buying an expensive watch now, which is much more exclusive. Every piece of that watch is different. Not just the strap and case. If Apple can pull this off then good for them, but I don't know how someone spending $10K+ to get gold doesn't come across as having more money than brains, when the $350 device is functionally identical. The hope (and rumor) is that the Watch Edition can be upgraded with new internals, so the intrinsic value of the gold remains, although the case and band together don't contain $20k worth of the good stuff. Given the questionable price points, I suspect the high-end Gold Edition will end up closer to $10k, not $20k.
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Post by Lstream on Mar 2, 2015 15:42:14 GMT -8
I am really wondering about the high end part of the Apple Watch strategy. Buyers of that product only get two points of differentiation. An exclusive strap and a gold case. Everything else is functionally identical to the cheapest version. Including the watch face that is on display. This is completely different compared to buying an expensive watch now, which is much more exclusive. Every piece of that watch is different. Not just the strap and case. If Apple can pull this off then good for them, but I don't know how someone spending $10K+ to get gold doesn't come across as having more money than brains, when the $350 device is functionally identical. Good pont, but remember the "I am Rich" app that sold for something like $1000 and just put up one screen? I do, and it died quick. A marketing strategy based upon your customers being vain idiots is not going anywhere.
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Post by redinaustin on Mar 2, 2015 15:47:13 GMT -8
An interesting tweet by The Beard:
@jdalrymple: There was so much shit posted over the weekend. Don't believe everything you read.
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Post by artman1033 on Mar 2, 2015 15:50:14 GMT -8
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Post by Red Shirted Ensign on Mar 2, 2015 15:54:26 GMT -8
I am really wondering about the high end part of the Apple Watch strategy. Buyers of that product only get two points of differentiation. An exclusive strap and a gold case. Everything else is functionally identical to the cheapest version. Including the watch face that is on display. This is completely different compared to buying an expensive watch now, which is much more exclusive. Every piece of that watch is different. Not just the strap and case. If Apple can pull this off then good for them, but I don't know how someone spending $10K+ to get gold doesn't come across as having more money than brains, when the $350 device is functionally identical. But isn't this true of any timepiece? If someone wants to show off a gold Rolex (even with a stainless steel back) so that they can claim some level of wealth, so be it. Or is the argument craftmanship? But it this is the differentiator, why buy the five times more expensive gold Rolex vs. the Stainless Steel? Same craftsmanship. If they want to know what time it is they would be far better off with a $12.99 quartz digital. Much more accurate.
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Post by macwire on Mar 2, 2015 16:44:25 GMT -8
I am really wondering about the high end part of the Apple Watch strategy. Buyers of that product only get two points of differentiation. An exclusive strap and a gold case. Everything else is functionally identical to the cheapest version. Including the watch face that is on display. This is completely different compared to buying an expensive watch now, which is much more exclusive. Every piece of that watch is different. Not just the strap and case. If Apple can pull this off then good for them, but I don't know how someone spending $10K+ to get gold doesn't come across as having more money than brains, when the $350 device is functionally identical. But isn't this true of any timepiece? If someone wants to show off a gold Rolex (even with a stainless steel back) so that they can claim some level of wealth, so be it. Or is the argument craftmanship? But it this is the differentiator, why buy the five times more expensive gold Rolex vs. the Stainless Steel? Same craftsmanship. If they want to know what time it is they would be far better off with a $12.99 quartz digital. Much more accurate. A watch is male jewelry. It's not about functioning time telling device. The crazy part is the cost really is materials and the "complication" inside which is generally something no one would ever see And I love watches! I have a few rolexes and might buy a JLC or Patek next But I fully acknowledge its pretty stupid. Lol
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Post by Lstream on Mar 2, 2015 17:08:15 GMT -8
I am really wondering about the high end part of the Apple Watch strategy. Buyers of that product only get two points of differentiation. An exclusive strap and a gold case. Everything else is functionally identical to the cheapest version. Including the watch face that is on display. This is completely different compared to buying an expensive watch now, which is much more exclusive. Every piece of that watch is different. Not just the strap and case. If Apple can pull this off then good for them, but I don't know how someone spending $10K+ to get gold doesn't come across as having more money than brains, when the $350 device is functionally identical. But isn't this true of any timepiece? If someone wants to show off a gold Rolex (even with a stainless steel back) so that they can claim some level of wealth, so be it. Or is the argument craftmanship? But it this is the differentiator, why buy the five times more expensive gold Rolex vs. the Stainless Steel? Same craftsmanship. If they want to know what time it is they would be far better off with a $12.99 quartz digital. Much more accurate. The accuracy argument has existed for decades, and has no real impact on this market. I also don't think the Rolex argument applies. They don't start at $349. There is still exclusivity in the brand, even at the "low" end. There are also multiple points of differentiation, that can signal differences between the various models. Besides the case and the strap, this is impossible on the Apple watch. I am skeptical that buyers of the high end will be happy about millions of people wearing the exact same device if you overlook the case and strap. I hope to be proven wrong, but my gut is telling me something different.
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Post by Ted on Mar 2, 2015 18:08:12 GMT -8
But isn't this true of any timepiece? If someone wants to show off a gold Rolex (even with a stainless steel back) so that they can claim some level of wealth, so be it. Or is the argument craftmanship? But it this is the differentiator, why buy the five times more expensive gold Rolex vs. the Stainless Steel? Same craftsmanship. If they want to know what time it is they would be far better off with a $12.99 quartz digital. Much more accurate. The accuracy argument has existed for decades, and has no real impact on this market. I also don't think the Rolex argument applies. They don't start at $349. There is still exclusivity in the brand, even at the "low" end. There are also multiple points of differentiation, that can signal differences between the various models. Besides the case and the strap, this is impossible on the Apple watch. I am skeptical that buyers of the high end will be happy about millions of people wearing the exact same device if you overlook the case and strap. I hope to be proven wrong, but my gut is telling me something different. LStream, your first post took issue with the fact that the starter watch has the exact same functionality as the fancy watch. Now you're saying the low starting price takes away from the exclusivity factor for the high-end buyer. Hmm, the $350 starting price is relatively low, but is it below the Apple threshold of highest quality goods? Apple won't make a "cheap" phone cause that might lessen the brand. So, is the starter watch so inexpensive that it detracts from the Edition models? Will Apple's brand value be enough to bridge the gap here - to make the Watch work for Joe Six-Pack and Thurston Howell III? It's a good question. Does Gucci have a starter bag? Yes, $300 for the canvas one. $3000 for the nicer ones. Louis Vuitton bags, same thing. Burberry sweater at $370 and jackets at $3,300. I don't know, but I think Angela has kicked the tires on this concept and given it the OK… We'll see.
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Post by Lstream on Mar 2, 2015 18:38:48 GMT -8
Ted,
For sure Apple has kicked the tires, and know what they are doing almost all the time. It will make for an interesting test case.
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