Since84
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Post by Since84 on Mar 30, 2015 2:40:00 GMT -8
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Post by podboy on Mar 30, 2015 5:39:19 GMT -8
aaahhh yeaaahhh.. Any news??
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Post by artman1033 on Mar 30, 2015 5:56:04 GMT -8
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Post by Ted on Mar 30, 2015 6:07:58 GMT -8
aaahhh yeaaahhh.. Any news?? This just in.... AAPL is way undervalued, deserves to be much higher... Ted's News Network.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 30, 2015 6:29:56 GMT -8
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Post by gtrplyr on Mar 30, 2015 6:45:36 GMT -8
aaahhh yeaaahhh.. Any news?? This just in.... AAPL is way undervalued, deserves to be much higher... Ted's News Network. Now that's no way to get ratings .... you need to go negative ! Remember that genius Zabitsky who said AAPL would go to $300 ? I guess he will get the last laugh because he might be right Cheers to the longs ....
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Post by tuffett on Mar 30, 2015 7:12:25 GMT -8
I wonder if Apple will ever offer a bundle iPhone + Apple Watch with some kind of incentive (10% off, gift card?) for the slower iPhone months (Apr-Sep). Might be a nice way to boost sales. Obviously not this year as Apple Watch is brand new and iPhone 6 upgrade cycle is stronger than usual, but I'm thinking 2-3 years down the road.
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Post by zzmac on Mar 30, 2015 8:15:54 GMT -8
aaahhh yeaaahhh.. Any news?? This just in.... AAPL is way undervalued, deserves to be much higher... Ted's News Network. This just in....AAPL is way undervalued, deserves to be much higher...ZZ Mac's News Network.
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Post by nagrani on Mar 30, 2015 8:23:22 GMT -8
Look at the symmetrical triangle.!! Looks Like apple is setting up to pop
129 or bust.....
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Post by JDSoCal on Mar 30, 2015 9:49:15 GMT -8
Interesting piece from ZDNet: Watch out: Will Apple doom the Swiss watch industry?Hmm, sound like the profit story of any other industries we know? Maybe Apple did its homework and pricing isn't random? Hmm, an industry slow and dinosaur like, with a soft, exposed underbelly. What company specializes in that? Reminds me of the music industry poo-poo-ing digital formats until it was too late.
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Post by nagrani on Mar 30, 2015 11:25:29 GMT -8
Hello sunshine
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Post by artman1033 on Mar 30, 2015 11:33:56 GMT -8
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Post by rob_london on Mar 30, 2015 11:49:14 GMT -8
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Post by mace on Mar 30, 2015 12:02:41 GMT -8
The only business rationale I can think of is to show the world that Android phones have low resale value, and screwing the sale of new Android phone (those who bought the refurnished one would not buy the new one)... funny is trade-in program expands iPhone market share but have opposite effect for Android.
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Post by mace on Mar 30, 2015 12:04:32 GMT -8
Look at the symmetrical triangle.!! Looks Like apple is setting up to pop 129 or bust..... If it is a triangle, there should be one more drop (to $123.xx) before rocketing...
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Post by nagrani on Mar 30, 2015 12:05:39 GMT -8
It's already tested support 3x. Enough is enough - this has to pop now imo
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Post by firestorm on Mar 30, 2015 12:12:10 GMT -8
Great green day. (And I hope you had the time of your life, or at least of the last month)
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Post by JDSoCal on Mar 30, 2015 12:32:25 GMT -8
The only business rationale I can think of is to show the world that Android phones have low resale value, and screwing the sale of new Android phone (those who bought the refurnished one would not buy the new one)... funny is trade-in program expands iPhone market share but have opposite effect for Android. The business rationale is to get iOS converts, even if it is to some degree a loss-leader (or at least margin-trimmer) sale for Apple on their first phone. After that, they are locked into iOS. And of course, to try to emulate this program, Android makers would have to really take a huge loss to compete with the prices in the used iPhone market. All I can say is, "ha ha."
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Post by Luckychoices on Mar 30, 2015 13:31:52 GMT -8
From a comment at that site: === epicflyingcat says: March 30, 2015 at 9:23 am If you’re thinking of doing this, don’t. I can guarantee Apple will offer disgraceful pricing, sell it on ebay and you’ll get so much more. === My question is, what would "disgraceful pricing" be for an Android phone?
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Post by Lstream on Mar 30, 2015 14:13:55 GMT -8
From a comment at that site: === epicflyingcat says: March 30, 2015 at 9:23 am If you’re thinking of doing this, don’t. I can guarantee Apple will offer disgraceful pricing, sell it on ebay and you’ll get so much more. === My question is, what would "disgraceful pricing" be for an Androud phone? Anything over $10, except for Samsung crap where $0.99 would be tops.
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Post by JDSoCal on Mar 30, 2015 14:46:54 GMT -8
I just finished reading Becoming Steve Jobs, and I cannot recommend it highly enough. Definitely worth your time. I could not put it down, and it (ironically, for a book about a perfectionist workaholic) really killed my productivity this past weekend.
I think in some ways, Becoming Steve Jobs is actually just as hard or harder on Steve as the Isaacson book was, but it puts Steve into context, and gives him credit for really growing from a founder (and a deeply flawed CEO) into the best CEO in the world during those ~11 years in exile. One paradox the book explores is that Steve 2.0 became so secretive, that the myth of Steve 1.0 persisted beyond when it was accurate.
Where the book really shines and exceeds Isaacson's work is how it explains Apple itself. Most of that won't be all that revelatory to those here, but I think many of you will find things you already know are written so articulately and concisely, that you'll want to underline passages, or even take shots with your iPhone to send to friends, with the annotation, "This!" Jony Ive says in the book that Steve was able to clearly articulate things about design Ive believed, but couldn't put into words. This is what this book may do for you and your beliefs about Apple.
We often talk (and giggle) about the creative destruction Apple wreaks, but one great theme is how Pixar saved Steve, and how Steve saved Pixar (which then saved Disney), which led to Steve being able to come back and save Apple (i.e., Pixar gave Steve the growth as a manager of talent to turn Apple around, plus the street cred to be hired back in the first place). We know the story, of course, but like any Shakespearean tale, you love to hear it again and again, told in a better way.
One passage by CFO Fred Anderson details why he took the job in 1995, and exactly why I bought AAPL in the early 1990's:
I don't agree with all of the authors' conclusions, especially about litigation over Android, the anti-employee poaching scandal, the option backdating scandal, and the Amazon price fixing case that the judge got completely assbackwards being a result of Steve's character flaws, but the authors really did get Apple.
One great contradiction that the book highlights that is often missed, of course Steve was a man of vision and supreme confidence in that vision. But he was also someone who would follow his nose, constantly learned from others, and who was willing to change his opinions on a dime if he were shown that they wrong, or that he should deviate to another, totally unexpected direction on the fly. That's why the "Steve would never do that" or "Apple doesn't do that" is the opposite of what he and that company really are about. They even think different[ly] from themselves!
Another important theme is how Steve learned that iterative innovation was as important as the revolutionary OMG breakthrough, with the emphasis on the latter getting him into trouble during his Apple 1.0 and NeXT reigns. A much more cautious, look-before-you-leap Steve emerged at Apple 2.0, and yet, you know how Apple 2.0 turned out.
After reading it, I find myself wanting to live more for the moment, with a sense of urgency - and using the term "bozo" a lot.
9/10
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Post by JDSoCal on Mar 30, 2015 16:20:53 GMT -8
Earnings release Monday April 27th.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 30, 2015 17:43:10 GMT -8
April monthlies that expire April 17 show clear sailing all the way up to $130. The weeklies expiring April 24 --the Friday before earnings-- don't have any power, yet. Then, after the EOs wash out all the short timers, AAPL can move higher, potentially 130+. That is, if the gamblers don't build a new massive wall that requires 70M iPhones in the March quarter.
I think the correlation is valid: High short term option volume (e.g. calls, not puts) and a low P/E ratio.
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Post by mace on Mar 30, 2015 20:10:29 GMT -8
IV for Apr 24 and May 1 options are high...
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Post by Odd-Lot Richard on Mar 30, 2015 21:22:04 GMT -8
Thanks for the considered review, JD.
Great review aside, the quote really does resonate with me. I bought Apple on sentiment in 1997 and 1998, not because I knew it was a great value, but because everyone was screaming it's the end of Apple, and I didn't want that to happen—I had been using Macs since 1984 and cut my teeth on IIe's before that. More talismanic than reasonable I suppose, but one goes with one's guts in some matters, like sports teams and faith and holding Apple even in 1997 and 2012.
I have so many books I want to read, but I guess this is on the pile.
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Post by macwire on Apr 1, 2015 7:18:12 GMT -8
CMON FIGHT
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Post by mace on Apr 1, 2015 7:28:35 GMT -8
Look at the symmetrical triangle.!! Looks Like apple is setting up to pop 129 or bust..... If it is a triangle, there should be one more drop (to $123.xx) before rocketing... Macwire, Guess you are referring to the last word of above sentence.
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