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Post by Since84 on Feb 3, 2016 3:26:15 GMT -8
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Post by stub on Feb 3, 2016 3:54:56 GMT -8
FYI... AAPL Dividend Ex Date is Thursday, 2/4/2016. Cash $0.52/share This means you must own the AAPL stock shares by the end of TODAY'S calendar day, Wednesday, 2/3/2016, if you want to be paid dividends for those shares. So, even if you purchase AAPL shares in EXTENDED HOURS trading on Wed, 2/3/2016, you will still be paid dividends for those shares. Load 'em up! Read more: www.nasdaq.com/symbol/aapl/dividend-history#ixzz3z6URaqBK
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Post by Since84 on Feb 3, 2016 4:18:56 GMT -8
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Post by artman1033 on Feb 3, 2016 5:14:21 GMT -8
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Post by ahmpower on Feb 3, 2016 7:42:24 GMT -8
These Google videos always seem to kill the mood on this board
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Post by Ted on Feb 3, 2016 8:22:45 GMT -8
These Google videos always seem to kill the mood on this board Nah, I think that honor goes to tuffet and macwire for their incessant cheerleading.... AAPL holding up well today.
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Post by sponge on Feb 3, 2016 9:03:57 GMT -8
I think if WS does not see the new 6C and iPad 3 as big movers, we may see 87-90 at end of March.
Apple's guidance does not indicate massive selling for these two products.
Patiently waiting with cash on hand for a mini crash. If it does not happen this quarter, I will wait until late fall.
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Post by Since84 on Feb 3, 2016 9:13:35 GMT -8
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Post by bud777 on Feb 3, 2016 9:52:31 GMT -8
These Google videos always seem to kill the mood on this board Nah, I think that honor goes to tuffet and macwire for their incessant cheerleading.... AAPL holding up well today. I remember an old joke about how to kill a tapeworm. You need a dozen hard boiled eggs, 11 sugar cookies and a hammer. Each day, you insert a hard boiled egg in your ass, wait 2 minutes and insert a sugar cookie. On the 12th day, just the egg. After 5 minutes, the tapeworm will emerge and say "Where's my sugar cookie???" and you hit it with the hammer.
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Post by Volvocoupe on Feb 3, 2016 9:55:06 GMT -8
Now there's one absolutely clueless dude. Lot's of them out there though....I would say the majority of these media types could care less about going deep enough to understand what is really going on. What about Alphabets 5% tax rate in the last quarter? Anyone? No, crickets in the media. Thus, you have to ignore them. Okay I did read this particular article because you pointed it out The only people worth listening to are Bajarin, Dediu, Cybert, etc. Oh, and of course Mav over at Appletree
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Post by macster on Feb 3, 2016 9:59:23 GMT -8
Weird day. The Nas down apox 1.20%, dow down .20% yet amaz, goog, fb, msft are down 3 pus %. IBM and up a few points. Can anyone explain?,
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Post by ahmpower on Feb 3, 2016 10:08:02 GMT -8
Weird day. The Nas down apox 1.20%, dow down .20% yet amaz, goog, fb, msft are down 3 pus %. IBM and up a few points. Can anyone explain?, If I am to guess, many traders bought AAPL today at this price to secure the dividend and will be selling tomorrow
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Post by dreamRaj on Feb 3, 2016 10:54:38 GMT -8
Weird day. The Nas down apox 1.20%, dow down .20% yet amaz, goog, fb, msft are down 3 pus %. IBM and up a few points. Can anyone explain?, If I am to guess, many traders bought AAPL today at this price to secure the dividend and will be selling tomorrow My thought too. I was about to ask "To what do we owe the honor of this rather unusual resistance to drop today?" and realized it's xd date and many buyers today have a motive. If we don't drop tomorrow and Friday then that will feel good.
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Post by Since84 on Feb 3, 2016 11:07:35 GMT -8
Weird day. The Nas down apox 1.20%, dow down .20% yet amaz, goog, fb, msft are down 3 pus %. IBM and up a few points. Can anyone explain?, I'll take "What is Wall Street is coming to its senses?" for the win Alex.
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Post by tuffett on Feb 3, 2016 11:10:58 GMT -8
These Google videos always seem to kill the mood on this board Nah, I think that honor goes to tuffet and macwire for their incessant cheerleading.... AAPL holding up well today. Sorry to ruin your feel-good party. Someone has to post without their rose-coloured glasses.
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Post by tuffett on Feb 3, 2016 11:14:37 GMT -8
Now there's one absolutely clueless dude. Lot's of them out there though....I would say the majority of these media types could care less about going deep enough to understand what is really going on. What about Alphabets 5% tax rate in the last quarter? Anyone? No, crickets in the media. Thus, you have to ignore them. Okay I did read this particular article because you pointed it out The only people worth listening to are Bajarin, Dediu, Cybert, etc. Oh, and of course Mav over at Appletree Disagree. While the names you mentioned do provide great analysis and often much more in-depth than the pros, a lot of people here ignore the pros to their peril. What if, for example, people took the supply chain rumours more seriously instead of dismissing it as FUD and assuming everythjng was sunshine and rainbows? I for one took too long to get suspicious and lost more money than I needed to.
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Post by firestorm on Feb 3, 2016 11:20:30 GMT -8
Nah, I think that honor goes to tuffet and macwire for their incessant cheerleading.... AAPL holding up well today. Sorry to ruin your feel-good party. Someone has to post without their rose-coloured glasses. I agree. I am completely out of AAPL for the first time in well over a decade, and have come to the conclusion that the Steve Jobs business model of a company producing a few hit products and updating them each year will not grow the stock. That should be evident to all of us by now. Amazon and Google have an innovative spirit that often makes mistakes, but they aren't bound by the perfectionism that, on one hand, has made Apple a powerhouse and, on the other hand, is now limiting Apple's growth. I will jump in again if I see that Apple is doing something interesting and new; until then, I'm not even excited any more to walk into an Apple Store: everything (except for the "innovation" of numerous watchbands) looks basically the same as it did five years ago, with evolutionary tweaks to all the product lines.
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Post by mrentropy on Feb 3, 2016 11:29:00 GMT -8
AAPL just went vertical. Any news, or is it FOMO and dividends working together? I agree with dreamraj, I'll feel a lot better if we hold up after ex-divvy day.
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Post by dreamRaj on Feb 3, 2016 11:44:35 GMT -8
AAPL just went vertical. Any news, or is it FOMO and dividends working together? I agree with dreamraj, I'll feel a lot better if we hold up after ex-divvy day. Could also be Apple buying back to reduce their divi payout. Although, seeing the volume, doesn't seem like it'll be great savings. FOMO, divi, buyback, rollover from other stocks, ... whatever works!!
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Post by macster on Feb 3, 2016 12:10:14 GMT -8
11/5/15 EX Div date. Feel good days only look drastic in the chart.
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Post by dreamRaj on Feb 3, 2016 12:16:00 GMT -8
Wishful thinking - AMZN and GOOG fall to their deserving prices of 300 and 400 respectively and all that money rolls over into AAPL.
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Post by joel90069 on Feb 3, 2016 12:18:57 GMT -8
I don't understand the advantage of buying to qualify for the dividend and then selling the shares when it goes Ex. At opening the price is going to drop the amount of the dividend anyway. It's just a wash.
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Post by rob_london on Feb 3, 2016 12:40:09 GMT -8
YTD AAPL has outperformed two constituents of FANG.
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Post by Volvocoupe on Feb 3, 2016 13:05:18 GMT -8
Now there's one absolutely clueless dude. Lot's of them out there though....I would say the majority of these media types could care less about going deep enough to understand what is really going on. What about Alphabets 5% tax rate in the last quarter? Anyone? No, crickets in the media. Thus, you have to ignore them. Okay I did read this particular article because you pointed it out The only people worth listening to are Bajarin, Dediu, Cybert, etc. Oh, and of course Mav over at Appletree Disagree. While the names you mentioned do provide great analysis and often much more in-depth than the pros, a lot of people here ignore the pros to their peril. What if, for example, people took the supply chain rumours more seriously instead of dismissing it as FUD and assuming everythjng was sunshine and rainbows? I for one took too long to get suspicious and lost more money than I needed to. Sorry Tuff but I am investing my money and that of my clients for the next five to ten years. Have ridden the stock down 65%, 45% and now 32% without selling a share for me or my clients. I am buying and holding so these temporary declines do not bother me or my clients as I have spent the time educating them. The one positive is that the declines continue to be smaller as we move along. I expect the next one, in 4 or 5 years will be say 25%. You don't need rose coloured glasses to buy and hold Apple, you just need a bit of faith, some positive imagination and some vision. All long-term investing requires this whether you buy Apple or any other company, thus FUD doesn't change my mind, it only frustrates me. And there is no bigger attractor of FUD than Apple as they are anti-sponsorship, anti-ads, anti-everyone's information should be disclosed, etc. Are things perfect at Apple? Absolutely not but I think the core beliefs and strategies Apple has used to get where they are haven't changed, so I expect them to continue to grow the company is a way that reflects their values. And corporate value do matter in the long run. To hell with what the Microsoft, Google, Amazon, Facebook Fanboys and girls believe if all they believe is that those companies are somehow "superior" to Apple or that Apple is "arrogant", "closed", etc. They have no idea what they are talking about. Time will bring their PE's down to reality and perhaps one day Apple will move with the market's multiple and not trade at a discount more often than not. As I tell my clients, "only you can turn a temporary decline into a permanent loss...I will not do that for you". All market declines are temporary and most individual stock declines are also. Apple will get back to it's all-time high and move to new highs in the future. If you don't believe this because of what's going on now, you shouldn't be involved with owning this stock in any form whether it be long or with options. That's just my simple advice to you as it would be for any of my clients. I do not trade options on this stock, we are only long. Ask Luckychoices how many tens of millions of Apple gains he is sitting on. Ask him if he has ever sold a share because of the "market" for Apple shares or the FUD storms he has been through. Unfortunately I am only sitting on millions but happy none the less. Do I like being down over a million in gains with this latest correction? No...that's the frustrating part, but am I worried that I won't recover the million and add quite a few more over the next 10 years? Not at all. All this using the bank's money and the dividend pretty much pays all my borrowing costs. Look, I am not trying to brag here, I am just trying to make a point. To invest in Apple for the long-term with a buy and hold perspective is not easy. It is probably the most difficult stock to do this with. There is a target on their back from just about every industry, including the media because they fear Apple will steal their lunch money eventually. From my experience there has always been a disconnect between Apple and APPL, at least since I bought my first shares in 2008. Despite that, the long-term return has been terrific for me and my clients. I personally don't feel this story is over. It seems that Apple may trade between about 9 and 18 times earnings for the foreseeable future. I know you think you are rational and being a realist here but I think you're wrong and the market is anything but rational in the short-term. Let's just agree to disagree but this is not the place to be if you are going to spend all of your time thinking that the market and it's participants know more than most of the people here do about Apple. Just my opinion. This board would be useless if that was the case. Because of all this negativity, I have told myself I am going to stop visiting here as I am not seeing alot of valuable insight which is why I think most of us are here. I think this is why we have lost some important members over the years. I keep coming back though because I hope to add some value to the discussion and help my fellow Apple investors get through these shit storms. Sorry I can't really add anything to the options discussions. I hope to continue to visit here for many years to come in my quest to understand everything I possibly can about Apple from some very bright people. Best regards, An Apple optimist
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Post by sponge on Feb 3, 2016 13:25:57 GMT -8
Agree with most of what you said Volvo.
However no guarantee this correction is over nor that we can correct again in a few years. Also the stock can be flat for years. Look at 2002-2006.
We are relatively flat for almost 4 years.
It is highly traded so we can move 20-40% every year regardless of how bad we look over several years.
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Post by Since84 on Feb 3, 2016 13:49:15 GMT -8
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Post by Volvocoupe on Feb 3, 2016 13:53:24 GMT -8
Agree with most of what you said Volvo. However no guarantee this correction is over nor that we can correct again in a few years. Also the stock can be flat for years. Look at 2002-2006. We are relatively flat for almost 4 years. It is highly traded so we can move 20-40% every year regardless of how bad we look over several years. No iPhone or IPad 2002 - 2006 so can't really compare I don't think but you may well be right.
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Post by incorrigible on Feb 3, 2016 14:08:46 GMT -8
Look at 2002-2006. We are relatively flat for almost 4 years. Really?? Split adjusted price per share 01/04/2002 $1.692 12/28/2006 $12.12 Gain 716% Am I missing something?
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Post by galleybob on Feb 3, 2016 14:42:50 GMT -8
Disagree. While the names you mentioned do provide great analysis and often much more in-depth than the pros, a lot of people here ignore the pros to their peril. What if, for example, people took the supply chain rumours more seriously instead of dismissing it as FUD and assuming everythjng was sunshine and rainbows? I for one took too long to get suspicious and lost more money than I needed to. Sorry Tuff but I am investing my money and that of my clients for the next five to ten years. Have ridden the stock down 65%, 45% and now 32% without selling a share for me or my clients. I am buying and holding so these temporary declines do not bother me or my clients as I have spent the time educating them. The one positive is that the declines continue to be smaller as we move along. I expect the next one, in 4 or 5 years will be say 25%. You don't need rose coloured glasses to buy and hold Apple, you just need a bit of faith, some positive imagination and some vision. All long-term investing requires this whether you buy Apple or any other company, thus FUD doesn't change my mind, it only frustrates me. And there is no bigger attractor of FUD than Apple as they are anti-sponsorship, anti-ads, anti-everyone's information should be disclosed, etc. Are things perfect at Apple? Absolutely not but I think the core beliefs and strategies Apple has used to get where they are haven't changed, so I expect them to continue to grow the company is a way that reflects their values. And corporate value do matter in the long run. To hell with what the Microsoft, Google, Amazon, Facebook Fanboys and girls believe if all they believe is that those companies are somehow "superior" to Apple or that Apple is "arrogant", "closed", etc. They have no idea what they are talking about. Time will bring their PE's down to reality and perhaps one day Apple will move with the market's multiple and not trade at a discount more often than not. As I tell my clients, "only you can turn a temporary decline into a permanent loss...I will not do that for you". All market declines are temporary and most individual stock declines are also. Apple will get back to it's all-time high and move to new highs in the future. If you don't believe this because of what's going on now, you shouldn't be involved with owning this stock in any form whether it be long or with options. That's just my simple advice to you as it would be for any of my clients. I do not trade options on this stock, we are only long. Ask Luckychoices how many tens of millions of Apple gains he is sitting on. Ask him if he has ever sold a share because of the "market" for Apple shares or the FUD storms he has been through. Unfortunately I am only sitting on millions but happy none the less. Do I like being down over a million in gains with this latest correction? No...that's the frustrating part, but am I worried that I won't recover the million and add quite a few more over the next 10 years? Not at all. All this using the bank's money and the dividend pretty much pays all my borrowing costs. Look, I am not trying to brag here, I am just trying to make a point. To invest in Apple for the long-term with a buy and hold perspective is not easy. It is probably the most difficult stock to do this with. There is a target on their back from just about every industry, including the media because they fear Apple will steal their lunch money eventually. From my experience there has always been a disconnect between Apple and APPL, at least since I bought my first shares in 2008. Despite that, the long-term return has been terrific for me and my clients. I personally don't feel this story is over. It seems that Apple may trade between about 9 and 18 times earnings for the foreseeable future. I know you think you are rational and being a realist here but I think you're wrong and the market is anything but rational in the short-term. Let's just agree to disagree but this is not the place to be if you are going to spend all of your time thinking that the market and it's participants know more than most of the people here do about Apple. Just my opinion. This board would be useless if that was the case. Because of all this negativity, I have told myself I am going to stop visiting here as I am not seeing alot of valuable insight which is why I think most of us are here. I think this is why we have lost some important members over the years. I keep coming back though because I hope to add some value to the discussion and help my fellow Apple investors get through these shit storms. Sorry I can't really add anything to the options discussions. I hope to continue to visit here for many years to come in my quest to understand everything I possibly can about Apple from some very bright people Best regards, An Apple optimist +1 to this post. It's the way I invest. Have been long since 2000, I bought at almost rock bottom, when basically every article about Apple was negative, and have held on since. I have ridden out every storm and have not sold one share. Apple funds my retirement now. I l always look way ahead and so far it has worked and I just ride out the lows. My plan is to continue using the dividends for retirement and to leave the shares to my family when the time comes. I am also way down on my paper profits since last summer, but as long as Apple is funding my retirement I am happy and pretty confident the share price will eventually rise by a lot. I'm not happy with everything Apple does, not sure if the buyback has been the best use of the cash, but I trust that Apple still sees the big picture and is still playing the long game.
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Post by Ted on Feb 3, 2016 14:47:10 GMT -8
Nah, I think that honor goes to tuffet and macwire for their incessant cheerleading.... AAPL holding up well today. Sorry to ruin your feel-good party. Someone has to post without their rose-coloured glasses. That's just the thing; there is no "feel-good party." I think people here were hopeful for a blow-out 1st Q, myself included, but now that that didn't work out and we've hit this slow patch, I don't see anybody cheerleading or making excuses for the lackluster performance. Tim and Luca did plenty of that for us on the conf call. I think we're all licking our wounds, buying more or selling out. Really, there no need for (what's the opposite of rose-colored glasses?) the shit-colored glasses that you are self-righteously wearing now. I remember the last downturn two years ago, and you became very vocal and negative for months and months, telling people the company was toast, Tim should be fired, etc. You are entitled to yr opinion, of course, but to post constantly how bad apple is doing isn't helping anyone but you, I guess. It doesn't shake anyone out of the echo-chamber-of-apple-positivity that you seem to think this place is. We're all seasoned apple investors and aware of the risks. Post what you like, but we're not all Bambis in need of your negative wake-up call. Sorry for the rant.
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