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Post by Since84 on Feb 19, 2016 3:36:58 GMT -8
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Post by rezonate on Feb 19, 2016 5:42:28 GMT -8
I had a good time responding to the turmoil across social media yesterday concerning Apple's middle finger to the FBI. And then Apple announced the accelerated iPhone buyback, getting more of those nonsecure handsets off the streets. Genius.
(Edit: posted shameless update to thread in the Peanut Gallery about my book project.)
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Post by chasmac on Feb 19, 2016 6:04:12 GMT -8
Without privacy you don't have free speech. Without free speech, you don't have freedom IMO.
Go Apple.
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Post by Since84 on Feb 19, 2016 8:56:58 GMT -8
Board discussion is at an all time high. A sign of capitulation?
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Post by phoebear611 on Feb 19, 2016 9:11:18 GMT -8
Board discussion is at an all time high. A sign of capitulation? It's more about the market than the stock currently which is why I think it's been quiet. Once we can figure out if we have bottomed then we'll start to gripe if we don't participate in a rally. Technicians are still saying 1940-1950 S&P remains a highly resistant area in particular with no real stabilization of oil to boot. In addition, Fed still continues to talk about hiking ... not to mention that each governor speaks about his own opinion to continue to cause volatility. The only thing we can really hope for with this stock specifically are catalysts...and I don't mean the Apple Freedom of Privacy vs. FBI stuff ... I'm talking conferences - new products - announcements with media - Sponge's secret - etc. So news specific to the stock has been low ... we can always have fun and chat about politics and I'm sure we'll get 100% participation but then again, the entire AFB would just blow up - so let's completely avoid that. On a positive note, lots of kids are off this week and I happened to pass an Apple Store here in NY on Long Island. It was packed - middle of the day - absolutely packed. Other stores had tumble weeds passing by but Apple was buzzing. Always a good sign - I'll take it!
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Post by rezonate on Feb 19, 2016 9:20:19 GMT -8
Happy to see the discussion. My overall portfolio is down 15% since September. It is weighted aggressive/risky because of my exit-horizon, but still a bitter pill - especially considering the impending crash. But I love to buy shares on sale. AAPL all the way to the moon.
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Post by rickag on Feb 19, 2016 9:37:58 GMT -8
A little bit of irony.
Marketwatch has a poll up on the website so you can vote whether you believe Apple should resist or acquiesce to the FBI. Try to vote and Marketwatch requires your gender and age. Idiots will be idiots.
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Post by artman1033 on Feb 19, 2016 10:28:55 GMT -8
As I recall, in the past, APPLE was unable to comment on USA government requests for help. IT was the law. NOW the FBI is requesting PUBLICLY for help on this county issued iPhone. It is just politics. From the NYT: "Mr. Cook’s views on privacy hardened over time as customers globally began entrusting more personal data to Apple’s iPhones. At the same time, Apple was growing tired of requests from government officials worldwide asking the company to unlock smartphones. Each data-extraction request was carefully vetted by Apple’s lawyers. Of those deemed legitimate, Apple in recent years required that law enforcement officials physically travel with the gadget to the company’s headquarters, where a trusted Apple engineer would work on the phones inside Faraday bags, which block wireless signals, during the process of data extraction. Processing these requests was extremely tedious. More worrisome, the data stored on its customers iPhones was growing more personal, including photos, messages and bank, health and travel data. And some government officials were not exactly instilling confidence in Apple’s engineers. In one case, after law enforcement officials rushed a phone to Apple’s headquarters for data extraction, the engineers discovered their target had not enabled the device’s passcode feature. So Mr. Cook and other Apple executives resolved not only to lock up customer data, but to do so in a way that would put the keys squarely in the hands of the customer, not the company. By the time Apple rolled out a new mobile operating system, iOS7, in September 2013, the company was encrypting all third-party data stored on customers’ phones by default. “People have a basic right to privacy,” Mr. Cook has said." ..... "After December’s San Bernardino attack, Apple worked with the F.B.I. to gather data that had been backed up to the cloud from a work iPhone issued to one of the assailants, according to court filings. When investigators also wanted unspecified information on the phone that had not been backed up, the judge this week granted the order requiring Apple to create a special tool to help investigators more easily crack the phone’s passcode and get into the device. Apple had asked the F.B.I. to issue its application for the tool under seal. But the government made it public, prompting Mr. Cook to go into bunker mode to draft a response, according to people privy to the discussions, who spoke on condition of anonymity. The result was the letter that Mr. Cook signed on Tuesday, where he argued that it set a “dangerous precedent” for a company to be forced to build tools for the government that weaken security. www.nytimes.com/2016/02/19/technology/how-tim-cook-became-a-bulwark-for-digital-privacy.html?smprod=nytcore-iphone&smid=nytcore-iphone-share&_r=0
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Post by mrentropy on Feb 19, 2016 12:49:19 GMT -8
And now you have a pretty good reason why he sold some of his holdings, including AAPL
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Post by macster on Feb 19, 2016 13:08:37 GMT -8
Trump is starting to piss me off good. He's calling for a boycott of
until government demands are met.
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Post by dmiller on Feb 19, 2016 13:17:36 GMT -8
And, the DOJ now seems to dislike the idea of Apple having some time to prepare its response to the judge's order; it wants Apple to succumb immediately. "On the legal front, Apple has been given until February 26 -- later than the original five days US Judge Sheri Pym decreed -- to file a challenge to her ruling. On Friday, the US Department of Justice filed a motion with the district court to force Apple to comply with the judge's order immediately -- despite the fact that there is no evidence of any useful information on the iPhone 5c recovered from the dead gunman, and no urgency in conducting the fishing expedition the FBI is hoping for." DOJ files motion to force Apple submission to FBI backdoor demands
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Post by Since84 on Feb 19, 2016 13:18:46 GMT -8
Most polls show overwhelming support for Apple's position on device security. I wouldn't worry about Trump. His calls are more likely to backfire on him.
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Post by Volvocoupe on Feb 19, 2016 13:28:17 GMT -8
Nice to see "the hair" weight-in and call for a boycott on buying Apple products. What, besides a laughingstock has the U.S. political system become?
Cook will be willing to go to jail on this, as I expect the entire executive and BOD's will. Last resort would be for Apple to leave the country and go somewhere where privacy, security and freedom are more appreciated, understood and respected. Believe me, there are many countries in the world that offer more privacy, security and freedom than the U.S. does.
To be so dishonest as to think and say publicly "as the U.S. Department of Justice filed a motion seeking to force Apple to comply with a judge's order for the company to unlock the iPhone belonging to one of the San Bernardino shooters, portraying the tech company's refusal as a "marketing strategy" tells you all you need to know about the game that so called law enforcement officials are playing. They are trying to make sure that there is no privacy or security if they want something. What's to stop others from asking?
There is absolutely NO argument that can be made to compel Apple to open up their customer's security and privacy to the Chinese, Russians, KGB, NSA, FBI and others who will simply abuse this information in the name of security and the so called protection of their citizens.
As Benjamin Franklin said in 1759 (since the government seems to be using a law from the 1700's to ask for this information) "Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety deserve neither libery nor safety". Enough said.
This is not about one iphone!
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Post by stub on Feb 19, 2016 15:07:00 GMT -8
Trump is starting to piss me off good. He's calling for a boycott of until government demands are met. "We're gonna get Apple to start building their damn computers and things in this country, instead of in other countries." -Donald Trump As a former entertainment industry insider... just between us kids... this Gov vs. Apple thing is about as real as the San Bernadino shooting itself. shhh don' tell anybody it's a publicity stunt to make you think they can't see what ever they want, which they can. But who cares.
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Post by rickag on Feb 19, 2016 16:50:16 GMT -8
If true, that is incredible. And we are to trust a government not to screw up repeatedly, let alone maliciously. If the FBI prevails the terrorists have won.
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Post by JDSoCal on Feb 19, 2016 22:32:43 GMT -8
Trump definitely misplayed this one. He's certainly not going to win over the lion's share of the tens of millions of iOS users who want their privacy protected. Rather, he should have made a continuation of the point about open borders by pillorying DHS for letting these dirtbags in the US in the first place without reading their Facebook page jihadists posts, and OBTW, the Keystone Cops losing the password, and we're supposed to trust these bozos with our private info? In fairness, a lot of people are going off half-cocked on this one, more emotion than ideology. Oh, and Apple Insider dumb bunnies, Ted Olson wasn't hired because he's a free speech attorney. He was hired because he's arguably the foremost appellate attorney on earth. He's argued 60 cases in front of SCOTUS and he's a former solicitor general. Better resume than any justice currently on the court (ironically Olson could fill Scalia's seat under a President Trump). Last guy you'd want to go up against in court. It also might possibly have a little something to do with Olson's personal background. For those who weren't aware, Olson's wife Barbara was on the doomed Flight 77 that flew into the Pentagon on 9/11, instead of her original 9/10 flight to California, because she wanted to wake up with Ted on his birthday (September 11). It will be hard for the FBI to make the "don't you care about the terrorists?!" argument against Ted Olson. Anyway, nice to see AAPL creeping up of late. It's been a very rough couple of weeks here in SoCal. Definitely time to open the bar!
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Post by rickag on Feb 20, 2016 6:06:11 GMT -8
Trump definitely misplayed this one. He's certainly not going to win over the lion's share of the tens of millions of iOS users who want their privacy protected. Rather, he should have made a continuation of the point about open borders by pillorying DHS for letting these dirtbags in the US in the first place without reading their Facebook page jihadists posts, and OBTW, the Keystone Cops losing the password, and we're supposed to trust these bozos with our private info? In fairness, a lot of people are going off half-cocked on this one, more emotion than ideology. Oh, and Apple Insider dumb bunnies, Ted Olson wasn't hired because he's a free speech attorney. He was hired because he's arguably the foremost appellate attorney on earth. He's argued 60 cases in front of SCOTUS and he's a former solicitor general. Better resume than any justice currently on the court (ironically Olson could fill Scalia's seat under a President Trump). Last guy you'd want to go up against in court. It also might possibly have a little something to do with Olson's personal background. For those who weren't aware, Olson's wife Barbara was on the doomed Flight 77 that flew into the Pentagon on 9/11, instead of her original 9/10 flight to California, because she wanted to wake up with Ted on his birthday (September 11). It will be hard for the FBI to make the "don't you care about the terrorists?!" argument against Ted Olson. Anyway, nice to see AAPL creeping up of late. It's been a very rough couple of weeks here in SoCal. Definitely time to open the bar! Thank you for the post and information.
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Post by rickag on Feb 20, 2016 11:43:20 GMT -8
So, all that is needed to bypass iPhone security is for Apple to comment out a couple lines of firmware that keeps count of log in attempts. I doubt it is that simple. There is code that is touched by the preferences that might bork the whole phone, I'm guessing. Then a brut force attempt could be performed as I understand it. I have read that if the password is 10 characters, generating all permutations could take up to 356 years, even at 80 milliseconds per character, assuming the timing is hardwired into the chip. This is all from articles on the Internet making any information suspect.
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