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Post by Since84 on Feb 22, 2016 3:54:41 GMT -8
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Post by Since84 on Feb 22, 2016 5:21:43 GMT -8
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Post by incorrigible on Feb 22, 2016 5:43:13 GMT -8
Sorry for the OT post but these images are frighteningly dystopian IMO.
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Post by Since84 on Feb 22, 2016 5:46:22 GMT -8
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Post by rickag on Feb 22, 2016 7:24:33 GMT -8
Here's a thought, Apple should request all digital communications from the San Bernardeno Health Department, Police Department and FBI related to their investigation to add clarity to the reasons for the request for Apple to hack into the shooter's iPhone.
Shouldn't the public have the right to understand the actual truth to these underlying reasons?
Let Apple hack their phones.
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Post by gtrplyr on Feb 22, 2016 7:24:51 GMT -8
I'm sure this has been brought up before but I've yet to hear a answer ...
Would it be possible for Apple to take the iPhone ... crack it in house ... get the data and then give it to the authorities keeping all of the code written in house and secure ?
Maybe Apple is afraid that after they write the code their will be a court order to turn it over ??
It seems like this should have never been on the public's radar ....
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Post by Since84 on Feb 22, 2016 7:25:35 GMT -8
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Post by tuffett on Feb 22, 2016 7:28:01 GMT -8
I agree with what Cook is doing but we are seeing the consequences of it in the stock price. I could be mistaken but I believe it's underperformed the market for the last 5 trading days. Along with all the other issues where Apple is a prime target, here's another reason for uncertainty. I'm starting to understand why Apple trades at such a cheap valuation - there are so many external factors that make it a risky play.
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Post by Since84 on Feb 22, 2016 7:34:22 GMT -8
I'm sure this has been brought up before but I've yet to hear a answer ... Would it be possible for Apple to take the iPhone ... crack it in house ... get the data and then give it to the authorities keeping all of the code written in house and secure ? Maybe Apple is afraid that after they write the code their will be a court order to turn it over ?? It seems like this should have never been on the public's radar .... It's a slippery slope. Does anyone believe this will stop at this case? The next phone will be a child porn case... then a kidnapping case... then a drug case... and on until we're to parking ticket enforcement. Consider the recent brouhaha about a Princeton University Professor being pulled over for speeding and arrested for an unpaid parking ticket. The point is not whether or not the ticket should have been paid, but rather what constitutes 'standard' policing in the US -- and this in a decidedly liberal community.
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Post by CdnPhoto on Feb 22, 2016 7:42:19 GMT -8
Here's a thought, Apple should request all digital communications from the San Bernardeno Health Department, Police Department and FBI related to their investigation to add clarity to the reasons for the request for Apple to hack into the shooter's iPhone. Shouldn't the public have the right to understand the actual truth to these underlying reasons? Let Apple hack their phones.
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Post by artman1033 on Feb 22, 2016 9:37:08 GMT -8
The trend still continued with each country adopting Apple Pay, adoption grows. Most recently they said Apple Pay had no chance in China, I said otherwise [1]. Well they are wrong again. In about 48 hours my sources (very, very close to this) suggest over 78 million Chinese enrolled into Apple Pay. This is already a number that is larger then the combined population of Sweden, Netherlands, Belgium, Greece and Hungary- in two days! The enrollment is increasing at an unfathomable rate. This is all during a three hour freeze of enrollments and seven other short outages because of network failures and computer failures at UnionPay's computers. These fine folks were ready, but just not ready for the torrent of enrollments in such a short period in time. www.quora.com/How-has-the-release-of-Apple-Pay-in-China-gone-so-far/answer/Brian-Roemmele?srid=Pi3&share=edc0ab5e
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Post by artman1033 on Feb 22, 2016 9:39:42 GMT -8
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Post by rezonate on Feb 22, 2016 9:49:45 GMT -8
Vis-a-vis Apple extracting the data and handing it back over, I questioned a legal beagle I know about chain of custody concerns. As in, "the lab switched DNA tests and sent an innocent man to jail" kinda concerns. He said the FBI could maintain chain of custody by having somebody watching over the shoulders of the engineers doing the extraction. The engineers explain each step in the process, with expected outcome at each action step, and don't proceed until the FBI guy gives the go-ahead. Happens all the time, apparently, in cases where the experts are much smarter than the LE guys. My own days as a law enforcement officer were much less complicated, and my legal training was all tactical in nature after a couple classes in college about basic legal systems and maritime law.
Today's rant: I want my iPad Air 3 with pencil support! NOW!
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Post by tuffett on Feb 22, 2016 9:55:12 GMT -8
Sad to see with a P/E of 10 and the company buying back its own shares that AAPL can't even keep pace with the market.
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Post by firestorm on Feb 22, 2016 10:41:40 GMT -8
I agree with what Cook is doing but we are seeing the consequences of it in the stock price. I could be mistaken but I believe it's underperformed the market for the last 5 trading days. Along with all the other issues where Apple is a prime target, here's another reason for uncertainty. I'm starting to understand why Apple trades at such a cheap valuation - there are so many external factors that make it a risky play. I don't agree with Cook; Apple should cooperate with the government on this case, with the cooperation expressly limited to this case. I don't agree with political slippery slope arguments (although once I was on a slippery slope above a cliff and suddenly realized that one slight slip of one of my feet would send me and my tripod over the edge–I've been more careful since). Human beings can be rational and use a measured response to a situation without going overboard; but I realize that there have been enough exceptions to make everyone skeptical. I would hate to see Apple sacrifice much of the good will it has built up over decades ... in support of the privacy of terrorists. That's what it boils down to.
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Post by artman1033 on Feb 22, 2016 10:56:02 GMT -8
poor auto design & poor barrier design?
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Post by Since84 on Feb 22, 2016 10:57:12 GMT -8
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Post by artman1033 on Feb 22, 2016 11:06:42 GMT -8
I agree with what Cook is doing but we are seeing the consequences of it in the stock price. I could be mistaken but I believe it's underperformed the market for the last 5 trading days. Along with all the other issues where Apple is a prime target, here's another reason for uncertainty. I'm starting to understand why Apple trades at such a cheap valuation - there are so many external factors that make it a risky play. I don't agree with Cook; Apple should cooperate with the government on this case, with the cooperation expressly limited to this case. I don't agree with political slippery slope arguments (although once I was on a slippery slope above a cliff and suddenly realized that one slight slip of one of my feet would send me and my tripod over the edge–I've been more careful since). Human beings can be rational and use a measured response to a situation without going overboard; but I realize that there have been enough exceptions to make everyone skeptical. I would hate to see Apple sacrifice much of the good will it has built up over decades ... in support of the privacy of terrorists. That's what it boils down to. For GOODNESS sake, YOU are wrong. If a fella followed the investigation on this case as it developed, everyone in government screwed up! NOW, they want to blame Apple.
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Post by firestorm on Feb 22, 2016 11:11:39 GMT -8
I don't agree with Cook; Apple should cooperate with the government on this case, with the cooperation expressly limited to this case. I don't agree with political slippery slope arguments (although once I was on a slippery slope above a cliff and suddenly realized that one slight slip of one of my feet would send me and my tripod over the edge–I've been more careful since). Human beings can be rational and use a measured response to a situation without going overboard; but I realize that there have been enough exceptions to make everyone skeptical. I would hate to see Apple sacrifice much of the good will it has built up over decades ... in support of the privacy of terrorists. That's what it boils down to. For GOODNESS sake, YOU are wrong. If a fella followed the investigation on this case as it developed, everyone in government screwed up! NOW, they want to blame Apple. We are talking about nuances of blame that are difficult to explain accurately. The American people do not handle nuance well, and if it's perceived as "Apple on the side of terrorists," there is going to be hell to pay. But we AAPL stockholders are always enjoying the roller coaster ride, aren't we?
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Post by hledgard on Feb 22, 2016 11:37:13 GMT -8
There is one simple issue I do not understand.
If the government gets a legal subpoena for a particular case, why wouldn't Apple simply give what is required?
Or, its Apple arguing that there should be no subpoenas issued for phone data? In that case, the point has political overtones.
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Post by CdnPhoto on Feb 22, 2016 11:58:36 GMT -8
There is one simple issue I do not understand. If the government gets a legal subpoena for a particular case, why wouldn't Apple simply give what is required? Or, its Apple arguing that there should be no subpoenas issued for phone data? In that case, the point has political overtones. I believe a subpoena for information would have been accepted and appropriately auctioned on. In this case, the FBI is not asking for information (Apple provided data from the iCloud account already), but rather they want Apple to create a custom OS that by passes controls on the iPhone including the ability to wipe a phone after 10 missed tries. The problem I have with this custom OS is once written, it could be reverse engineered and used on any other iPhone that they wish to in the future.
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Post by hledgard on Feb 22, 2016 12:37:34 GMT -8
There is one simple issue I do not understand. If the government gets a legal subpoena for a particular case, why wouldn't Apple simply give what is required? Or, its Apple arguing that there should be no subpoenas issued for phone data? In that case, the point has political overtones. I believe a subpoena for information would have been accepted and appropriately auctioned on. In this case, the FBI is not asking for information (Apple provided data from the iCloud account already), but rather they want Apple to create a custom OS that by passes controls on the iPhone including the ability to wipe a phone after 10 missed tries. The problem I have with this custom OS is once written, it could be reverse engineered and used on any other iPhone that they wish to in the future. Wow, interesting. Are they asking Apple for a special version to be used for just one phone? Or for the FBI to have permanently?
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Post by firestorm on Feb 22, 2016 12:53:26 GMT -8
Good day for Amazon, Alphabet, and Tesla, but they aren't perceived as helping terrorists. And, no, life isn't fair.
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Post by Since84 on Feb 22, 2016 13:14:53 GMT -8
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Post by Since84 on Feb 22, 2016 13:21:38 GMT -8
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Post by rickag on Feb 22, 2016 13:23:02 GMT -8
I believe a subpoena for information would have been accepted and appropriately auctioned on. In this case, the FBI is not asking for information (Apple provided data from the iCloud account already), but rather they want Apple to create a custom OS that by passes controls on the iPhone including the ability to wipe a phone after 10 missed tries. The problem I have with this custom OS is once written, it could be reverse engineered and used on any other iPhone that they wish to in the future. Wow, interesting. Are they asking Apple for a special version to be used for just one phone? Or for the FBI to have permanently? The FBI says for this phone only, but that is an out and out lie and everyone knows it.
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Post by tuffett on Feb 22, 2016 13:34:48 GMT -8
Hard to argue that Apple has any goodwill to begin with. They are the prime target of every garbage investigation. It's all about the money.
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Post by BillH on Feb 22, 2016 13:50:26 GMT -8
For GOODNESS sake, YOU are wrong. If a fella followed the investigation on this case as it developed, everyone in government screwed up! NOW, they want to blame Apple. We are talking about nuances of blame that are difficult to explain accurately. The American people do not handle nuance well, and if it's perceived as "Apple on the side of terrorists," there is going to be hell to pay. But we AAPL stockholders are always enjoying the roller coaster ride, aren't we? It's NOT difficult to explain. Apple designed the security of the iPhone (encryption keys generated by the phone stay on the phone) in such a way that even Apple doesn't have access to it. This means your medical data, credit cards, photo's etc. are beyond the reach of the bad guys. OS X security is my number one reason for being an investor as the importance of this will become clearer as time goes on. You're worried about a roller coaster ride with AAPL? Try having your identity stolen. The fact that the FBI and presumably NSA can't hack it is a reason to cheer. I'm hoping Apple will POUND this message until the majority understand it. And they will.
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Post by BillH on Feb 22, 2016 14:01:38 GMT -8
I am VERY concerned that it appears the back-up on iCloud of the phone doesn't seem to be encrypted in the same fashion. Apple seems to think the FBI could have negated the protection for multiple log in attempts had they not changed the password. This strikes me as a vulnerability that needs to be dealt with.
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Post by Since84 on Feb 22, 2016 14:11:55 GMT -8
I am VERY concerned that it appears the back-up on iCloud of the phone doesn't seem to be encrypted in the same fashion. Apple seems to think the FBI could have negated the protection for multiple log in attempts had they not changed the password. This strikes me as a vulnerability that needs to be dealt with. Note that iTunes does explain this point, specifically that iPhone backups to a local hard disk are encrypted and include sensitive information while backups to the cloud are not and do not. Most people probably don't even notice the distinction. It would certainly be nice if backups to the cloud were able, at least optionally, to be encrypted and include sensitive information. Edit: The iTunes iPhone "Summary" page is where this can be found. The current version is not as clear as I remember. My recollection was that it used to be clearer that sensitive data (account passwords, health and home kit data) could only be backed up locally if encrypted. Perhaps it was always as its is...
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