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Post by Since84 on Jul 7, 2016 2:08:49 GMT -8
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Post by phoebear611 on Jul 7, 2016 3:53:06 GMT -8
Happy San Fermín ... hopefully AAPL will be running with the bulls this morning!
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Post by tuffett on Jul 7, 2016 5:58:57 GMT -8
Samsung's mobile profits up 55% YoY. I'm aware that they're only now starting to recover from a lengthy downward spiral, but this is evidence that momentum seems to be shifting again away from Apple, and that the iPhone 6s was not a particularly compelling device. I fear the 7 will be the same. Anybody who thinks Android phones do not directly complete with iPhones is off their rocker.
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Post by phoebear611 on Jul 7, 2016 6:35:38 GMT -8
Samsung's mobile profits up 55% YoY. I'm aware that they're only now starting to recover from a lengthy downward spiral, but this is evidence that momentum seems to be shifting again away from Apple, and that the iPhone 6s was not a particularly compelling device. I fear the 7 will be the same. Anybody who thinks Android phones do not directly complete with iPhones is off their rocker. My son-in-law and his brother both switched from iPhones to Samsung as did 2 of their friends. I was not happy with his decision ... but yes, there is certainly competition that is alive and well there. Let's hope the 7 will have SOMETHING compelling...and certainly something MORE than what Samsung has already provided. I realize Apple isn't always first but eventually better ... but would very much like them to be first with SOMETHING in the 7 - enough to want an upgrade.
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Post by Ted on Jul 7, 2016 7:12:12 GMT -8
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Post by macster on Jul 7, 2016 9:25:57 GMT -8
Samsung's mobile profits up 55% YoY. I'm aware that they're only now starting to recover from a lengthy downward spiral, but this is evidence that momentum seems to be shifting again away from Apple, and that the iPhone 6s was not a particularly compelling device. I fear the 7 will be the same. Anybody who thinks Android phones do not directly complete with iPhones is off their rocker. My son-in-law and his brother both switched from iPhones to Samsung as did 2 of their friends. I was not happy with his decision ... but yes, there is certainly competition that is alive and well there. Let's hope the 7 will have SOMETHING compelling...and certainly something MORE than what Samsung has already provided. I realize Apple isn't always first but eventually better ... but would very much like them to be first with SOMETHING in the 7 - enough to want an upgrade. This is my concern. The constant drumbeat of negative blogs day in and day out about iPhone 7 not being up to snuff and where is aapl PR? Apple needs to be aggressive and stop this crap in its tracks before the media, the social space and bloggers build the picture in consumer minds that Apple sucks. I am truly pissed the leadership at Apple is so blind and stupid to not defend the company against these clear attacks. The media is a powerful tool and there is War being played out before our very eyes. is loosing the battle of PR.
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Post by chinacat on Jul 7, 2016 9:37:25 GMT -8
My son-in-law and his brother both switched from iPhones to Samsung as did 2 of their friends. I was not happy with his decision ... but yes, there is certainly competition that is alive and well there. Let's hope the 7 will have SOMETHING compelling...and certainly something MORE than what Samsung has already provided. I realize Apple isn't always first but eventually better ... but would very much like them to be first with SOMETHING in the 7 - enough to want an upgrade. :-S The key question is "Why did they switch?" Was it price (e.g., did they switch to Galaxy or some other model)? Was there a particular feature on Android that is unavailable on iPhone/iOS? Was it dissatisfaction with a particular aspect of either the iPhone or iOS? Or did they just want to follow their friends? Without such information it is difficult to understand how Apple could/should respond to switchers like them.
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Post by phoebear611 on Jul 7, 2016 9:50:43 GMT -8
My son-in-law and his brother both switched from iPhones to Samsung as did 2 of their friends. I was not happy with his decision ... but yes, there is certainly competition that is alive and well there. Let's hope the 7 will have SOMETHING compelling...and certainly something MORE than what Samsung has already provided. I realize Apple isn't always first but eventually better ... but would very much like them to be first with SOMETHING in the 7 - enough to want an upgrade. This is my concern. The constant drumbeat of negative blogs day in and day out about iPhone 7 not being up to snuff and where is aapl PR? Apple needs to be aggressive and stop this crap in its tracks before the media, the social space and bloggers build the picture in consumer minds that Apple sucks. I am truly pissed the leadership at Apple is so blind and stupid to not defend the company against these clear attacks. The media is a powerful tool and there is War being played out before our very eyes. is loosing the battle of PR. Yes, and to be clear - I am reserving judgement on how good it is or isn't until I actually see it. I'm tired of listening to the rumors. That said - I'm trying to be somewhat hopeful.
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Post by bud777 on Jul 7, 2016 10:20:06 GMT -8
My son-in-law and his brother both switched from iPhones to Samsung as did 2 of their friends. I was not happy with his decision ... but yes, there is certainly competition that is alive and well there. Let's hope the 7 will have SOMETHING compelling...and certainly something MORE than what Samsung has already provided. I realize Apple isn't always first but eventually better ... but would very much like them to be first with SOMETHING in the 7 - enough to want an upgrade. This is my concern. The constant drumbeat of negative blogs day in and day out about iPhone 7 not being up to snuff and where is aapl PR? Apple needs to be aggressive and stop this crap in its tracks before the media, the social space and bloggers build the picture in consumer minds that Apple sucks. I am truly pissed the leadership at Apple is so blind and stupid to not defend the company against these clear attacks. The media is a powerful tool and there is War being played out before our very eyes. is loosing the battle of PR. I respectfully disagree. There is no way that Apple can stop the jackals who have made an industry mis-information and negative propaganda. Certainly, a lot of this is funded by Samsung and enabled by Google, but I do not think that there is any counter propaganda campaign that would ever produce the devastation that was wreaked upon Samsung by the 6 and 6s. Engaging on the level of ValueWalk and the other shills just legitimizes them. We all know the saying about wrestling with a pig. I think Apple is wise to ignore the campaigns and just tend to building great products. It forces Google and Samsung to compete where they are weakest, in innovation and integration. If you have a 3-6 moth timeline, of course you are frustrated with the lemming reaction to every new hysterical post, especially when they hit the echo chamber. But if that is your timeline, and I mean this respectfully, get out of this stock. Nothing is going to change. This has been going on since before Jobs passed away and there is no reason for it to change now. Lots of people are making money on the churn. The options market, though not as much as before, is still like an ATM. It is what it is and bitching won't help. On the other hand, if it makes you feel better, have at it. And I mean that in the most compassionate way possible
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Post by macster on Jul 7, 2016 10:59:51 GMT -8
This is my concern. The constant drumbeat of negative blogs day in and day out about iPhone 7 not being up to snuff and where is aapl PR? Apple needs to be aggressive and stop this crap in its tracks before the media, the social space and bloggers build the picture in consumer minds that Apple sucks. I am truly pissed the leadership at Apple is so blind and stupid to not defend the company against these clear attacks. The media is a powerful tool and there is War being played out before our very eyes. is loosing the battle of PR. I respectfully disagree. There is no way that Apple can stop the jackals who have made an industry mis-information and negative propaganda. Certainly, a lot of this is funded by Samsung and enabled by Google, but I do not think that there is any counter propaganda campaign that would ever produce the devastation that was wreaked upon Samsung by the 6 and 6s. Engaging on the level of ValueWalk and the other shills just legitimizes them. We all know the saying about wrestling with a pig. I think Apple is wise to ignore the campaigns and just tend to building great products. It forces Google and Samsung to compete where they are weakest, in innovation and integration. If you have a 3-6 moth timeline, of course you are frustrated with the lemming reaction to every new hysterical post, especially when they hit the echo chamber. But if that is your timeline, and I mean this respectfully, get out of this stock. Nothing is going to change. This has been going on since before Jobs passed away and there is no reason for it to change now. Lots of people are making money on the churn. The options market, though not as much as before, is still like an ATM. It is what it is and bitching won't help. On the other hand, if it makes you feel better, have at it. And I mean that in the most compassionate way possible Its different now when Steve was around regarding how lies and rumors spread. Its different now that Samsung was put to bed and now out there aggressively drawing blood for revenge. If you think your enemy will not take ground then you are destined to lose it. I understand what you are saying investment wise tho.
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Post by Luckychoices on Jul 7, 2016 11:06:52 GMT -8
This is my concern. The constant drumbeat of negative blogs day in and day out about iPhone 7 not being up to snuff and where is aapl PR? Apple needs to be aggressive and stop this crap in its tracks before the media, the social space and bloggers build the picture in consumer minds that Apple sucks. I am truly pissed the leadership at Apple is so blind and stupid to not defend the company against these clear attacks. The media is a powerful tool and there is War being played out before our very eyes. is loosing the battle of PR. I respectfully disagree. There is no way that Apple can stop the jackals who have made an industry mis-information and negative propaganda. Certainly, a lot of this is funded by Samsung and enabled by Google, but I do not think that there is any counter propaganda campaign that would ever produce the devastation that was wreaked upon Samsung by the 6 and 6s. Engaging on the level of ValueWalk and the other shills just legitimizes them. We all know the saying about wrestling with a pig. I think Apple is wise to ignore the campaigns and just tend to building great products. It forces Google and Samsung to compete where they are weakest, in innovation and integration. If you have a 3-6 moth timeline, of course you are frustrated with the lemming reaction to every new hysterical post, especially when they hit the echo chamber. But if that is your timeline, and I mean this respectfully, get out of this stock. Nothing is going to change. This has been going on since before Jobs passed away and there is no reason for it to change now. Lots of people are making money on the churn. The options market, though not as much as before, is still like an ATM. It is what it is and bitching won't help. On the other hand, if it makes you feel better, have at it. And I mean that in the most compassionate way possible Well stated, and I very much agree. If Apple responded to one rumor of this type, they would have to respond to them all. And if they did not respond, the FUD from the shills and jackals, to which you referred, would suggest that no response from Apple, must mean that rumor is true. The number of rumors would increase dramatically (which, I admit, is hard to imagine) because now the FUD writers could then be assured of getting a response from Apple...which they would then use to generate future rumor-based articles.
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Post by macster on Jul 7, 2016 11:17:22 GMT -8
I respectfully disagree. There is no way that Apple can stop the jackals who have made an industry mis-information and negative propaganda. Certainly, a lot of this is funded by Samsung and enabled by Google, but I do not think that there is any counter propaganda campaign that would ever produce the devastation that was wreaked upon Samsung by the 6 and 6s. Engaging on the level of ValueWalk and the other shills just legitimizes them. We all know the saying about wrestling with a pig. I think Apple is wise to ignore the campaigns and just tend to building great products. It forces Google and Samsung to compete where they are weakest, in innovation and integration. If you have a 3-6 moth timeline, of course you are frustrated with the lemming reaction to every new hysterical post, especially when they hit the echo chamber. But if that is your timeline, and I mean this respectfully, get out of this stock. Nothing is going to change. This has been going on since before Jobs passed away and there is no reason for it to change now. Lots of people are making money on the churn. The options market, though not as much as before, is still like an ATM. It is what it is and bitching won't help. On the other hand, if it makes you feel better, have at it. And I mean that in the most compassionate way possible Well stated, and I very much agree. If Apple responded to one rumor of this type, they would have to respond to them all. And if they did not respond, the FUD from the shills and jackals, to which you referred, would suggest that no response from Apple, must mean that rumor is true. The number of rumors would increase dramatically (which, I admit, is hard to imagine) because now the FUD writers could then be assured of getting a response from Apple...which they would then use to generate future rumor-based articles. I'd say nonsense. If your enemy is practicing negative propaganda against your citizens and military, you do nothing to counter it outright with a few clear statements countering it, then accept the consequences of your short and long term share price. You have lost a generation to the enemy no matter what you muster in future products.
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Post by Since84 on Jul 7, 2016 11:27:07 GMT -8
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Post by Since84 on Jul 7, 2016 11:40:49 GMT -8
I respectfully disagree. There is no way that Apple can stop the jackals who have made an industry mis-information and negative propaganda. Certainly, a lot of this is funded by Samsung and enabled by Google, but I do not think that there is any counter propaganda campaign that would ever produce the devastation that was wreaked upon Samsung by the 6 and 6s. Engaging on the level of ValueWalk and the other shills just legitimizes them. We all know the saying about wrestling with a pig. I think Apple is wise to ignore the campaigns and just tend to building great products. It forces Google and Samsung to compete where they are weakest, in innovation and integration. If you have a 3-6 moth timeline, of course you are frustrated with the lemming reaction to every new hysterical post, especially when they hit the echo chamber. But if that is your timeline, and I mean this respectfully, get out of this stock. Nothing is going to change. This has been going on since before Jobs passed away and there is no reason for it to change now. Lots of people are making money on the churn. The options market, though not as much as before, is still like an ATM. It is what it is and bitching won't help. On the other hand, if it makes you feel better, have at it. And I mean that in the most compassionate way possible Its different now when Steve was around regarding how lies and rumors spread. Its different now that Samsung was put to bed and now out there aggressively drawing blood for revenge. If you think your enemy will not take ground then you are destined to lose it. I understand what you are saying investment wise tho. Respectfully disagree. Back in the days Microsoft was the behemoth, not Google. This guy named Gates, an excellent student of IBM's FUD, was ruthless in it's application. There were hoardes of naysayers -- Enderley? Dvorak? Anything Apple did was eclipsed by some mysterious, unannounced Microsoft product... Hell, MDN had the 'death watch counter' and the term 'beleaguered' accompanied 'Apple' in every article... There was even a guy named Dull Dell who got in the act by saying he'd shut it down and give the money back to the shareholders... For many of us, these attacks and the current share price plateau are nothing.
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Post by macster on Jul 7, 2016 12:26:04 GMT -8
Its different now when Steve was around regarding how lies and rumors spread. Its different now that Samsung was put to bed and now out there aggressively drawing blood for revenge. If you think your enemy will not take ground then you are destined to lose it. I understand what you are saying investment wise tho. Respectfully disagree. Back in the days Microsoft was the behemoth, not Google. This guy named Gates, an excellent student of IBM's FUD, was ruthless in it's application. There were hoardes of naysayers -- Enderley? Dvorak? Anything Apple did was eclipsed by some mysterious, unannounced Microsoft product... Hell, MDN had the 'death watch counter' and the term 'beleaguered' accompanied 'Apple' in every article... There was even a guy named Dull Dell who got in the act by saying he'd shut it down and give the money back to the shareholders... For many of us, these attacks and the current share price plateau are nothing. And yes its being played out again. Microsoft overwhelmed Apple in the 90's. But this thread isn't talking bout changing course, I'm talking about consumers leaving the garden because of a pretty premium Galaxy 7, cheap good enough smart phones and the barrage of negative spin against apple everywhere creating the perception of doom and gloom. I respectfully disagree to all. Im not going to further my rant.
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Post by firestorm on Jul 7, 2016 13:25:25 GMT -8
In the first paragraph, this article refers to Apple as "the beleaguered iPhone maker." That pretty much sums up the sentiment outside of us cheerleaders.
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Post by sponge on Jul 7, 2016 13:45:39 GMT -8
Just waiting to breach 200 MA and hold for more then one week.
Otherwise we are acting as expected. Bought a few more shares at 95.
Also waiting to fill the gap from April. That would get us over the 200,
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Post by bloodylongaapl on Jul 7, 2016 13:54:16 GMT -8
According to Yahoo Finance charts SMA 20 has crossed SMA 50. And at close today we are above both, on the 3rd test. Pray let it be successful this time. Added a little here.
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Post by Luckychoices on Jul 7, 2016 19:32:09 GMT -8
Well stated, and I very much agree. If Apple responded to one rumor of this type, they would have to respond to them all. And if they did not respond, the FUD from the shills and jackals, to which you referred, would suggest that no response from Apple, must mean that rumor is true. The number of rumors would increase dramatically (which, I admit, is hard to imagine) because now the FUD writers could then be assured of getting a response from Apple...which they would then use to generate future rumor-based articles. I'd say nonsense. You'd say nonsense? If our discussions on the board are going to come down to dismissing another member's comment by calling it nonsense, we'll not have very fruitful discussions. If your enemy is practicing negative propaganda against your citizens and military, you do nothing to counter it outright with a few clear statements countering it, then accept the consequences of your short and long term share price. You have lost a generation to the enemy no matter what you muster in future products. I'm not sure how "citizens and military" got included into this discussion, but I'm afraid, in the case of Apple rumors, countering "negative propaganda" with "a few clear statements" would not stop them and I'd prefer Apple continue to run their business instead of trying to squelch rumors. I'm not saying that your approach is nonsense, I just believe, in this case, you're mistaken.
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Post by tuffett on Jul 7, 2016 20:23:17 GMT -8
I'd prefer Apple continue to run their business instead of trying to squelch rumours. Having good PR does not mean you can't run a good business at the same time. They're not mutually exclusive actions - especially with the resources that Apple has. I don't think it's unreasonable of me to expect Apple to run their business and pay more attention to PR. And I don't simply mean waiting for the hit pieces to come out and addressing them. How about getting out in front of things and actually creating some positive perception about the company? Is that too much to ask? Is it impossible to do? I couldn't tell you how to do it, but I'm no expert. I think a much more serious effort is needed. Good products are key, but there is a lot more to consider in a cutthroat business environment that Apple is in. Example: Despite Apple leading the industry in terms of labour laws, ask any random person about labour exploitation or Foxconn suicides and they will in all likelihood point to Apple as the worst offender. Ask them about patents and they will call Apple a patent troll or a bully. Ask them about planned obsolescence and they'll think iPhones are the worst when in fact the real reason is that they are the only phones that people regularly update at all. Do you think none of this has an impact on the business? This is the value of PR instead of radio silence.
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Post by bud777 on Jul 7, 2016 22:20:08 GMT -8
All this bad PR and Apple is selling every iPhoneSE that it can make. When you are limited by production, why fan the flames? I think that many people get there egos wrapped up in their phones. A FUD piece against Apple is a personal offense. It is not the FUD that is holding Apple back, it is the potential gain. If you are an "investor" concerned with maximizing your return, why would you invest in Apple instead of FB? There are better dividends all over the place, the chances of Apple doubling before the car comes out are nil. It doesn't make sense for the short term investor. Like I said before, if you have a 3-6 month investing horizon, move along, nothing to see here
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Post by macster on Jul 8, 2016 5:53:55 GMT -8
You'd say nonsense? If our discussions on the board are going to come down to dismissing another member's comment by calling it nonsense, we'll not have very fruitful discussions. If your enemy is practicing negative propaganda against your citizens and military, you do nothing to counter it outright with a few clear statements countering it, then accept the consequences of your short and long term share price. You have lost a generation to the enemy no matter what you muster in future products. I'm not sure how "citizens and military" got included into this discussion, but I'm afraid, in the case of Apple rumors, countering "negative propaganda" with "a few clear statements" would not stop them and I'd prefer Apple continue to run their business instead of trying to squelch rumors. I'm not saying that your approach is nonsense, I just believe, in this case, you're mistaken. My analogy is correct. I'm not the only one who believes the way I do. Have you ever seen Northrop Grumman adverts. They create an aura of a great company. Why do you think they need that? www.northropgrumman.com/MediaResources/Pages/Advertising.aspx
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Post by hledgard on Jul 8, 2016 7:46:13 GMT -8
I am with Macster. Apple is losing its glow. For many reasons.
I also think Apple does not make at all enough publicity about its great service. Apple is always a phone call away, the most amazing service of any company I have seen.
Every one truly needs help with electronic devices, and just call Apple support. It works!
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