Since84
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Post by Since84 on Jul 12, 2016 2:22:28 GMT -8
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bud777
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Post by bud777 on Jul 12, 2016 8:52:05 GMT -8
I have this uneasy feeling that the current movement from 93 to 97 is our pre earnings run up. I don't remember interest in the stock ever being this low. I just cannot decide if this is a good thing or a bad thing. When we are two weeks out from earnings and VXAPL is under 25, does that mean that the FUDsters will move on to some other stock?
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Post by sponge on Jul 12, 2016 8:55:48 GMT -8
I am thinking 98 as the high before earnings. Let's get passed OE this week.
There sure are a great deal of put contracts in the mid 90s in August and Septemeber.
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Post by archibaldtuttle on Jul 12, 2016 9:41:07 GMT -8
Feels like the market has been dragging us up. Every day the markets up, AAPL has been up, but by 1/2 as much on a percentage basis.
AAPL is underperforming the market on pretty much every timeframe less than 5 years and close to underperforming on the 5 year timeframe as well.
Such a waste.
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Post by tuffett on Jul 12, 2016 10:10:03 GMT -8
Feels like the market has been dragging us up. Every day the markets up, AAPL has been up, but by 1/2 as much on a percentage basis. AAPL is underperforming the market on pretty much every timeframe less than 5 years and close to underperforming on the 5 year timeframe as well. Such a waste. None of this matters to the permabulls, because look at the 20 year chart!! 4 years is a long time to be flat given how well the overall market has done. It's not just a slight underperformance, it is atrocious and probably has been among the worst large cap stocks to own. Hell, XOM has done better (paying out bigger dividends to boot) despite the rout in oil. I can hardly be called a day trader, but I'm also not immortal and thus I expect some sort of decent return on my investment from the company who makes more money than anybody else when the overall market has done so exceptionally well. One of the main reasons I hold is simply to wait for some sort of mean reversion. I don't blame management entirely, because the company has really performed quite well, but I do blame management for either repeatedly getting caught off-guard or failing to communicate the fact that earnings are not only cyclical on a quarterly basis but also on a yearly basis. There is zero confidence in management and I believe it's partially justified. Their words ring hollow yet they keep repeating their tired old mantras as nauseum.
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Post by sponge on Jul 12, 2016 11:47:22 GMT -8
Since July 2011 the stock has gone thru two major positive moves. The first was 102% and the second 140%.
Swing traders made a killing.
In the mean time our iOS base has grown and so has our cash.
Let's check back in 5 years.
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stub
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The fix is in. Be patient. Don't panic.
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Post by stub on Jul 12, 2016 12:05:16 GMT -8
we're experiencing
'learned pessimisem'
...just think of how next years YOY qtrs will be all beats & will that (we hope) fuel the the next BIG RISE?
Probably. Patience is a virtue.
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Post by phoebear611 on Jul 12, 2016 16:01:22 GMT -8
At every turn today - whether it was on television or a business radio station - whenever a money manager was asked what looked cheap out there, Apple was the first word out of their mouths. If it looks so cheap WRT everyone's analysis why aren't we seeing higher bids? I'll just wait for 2017's great YOY qtr beats sponge mentioned. Don't really know what catalyst will make this stock move up in any great way in the short term. Yes, patience.
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bud777
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Post by bud777 on Jul 12, 2016 18:37:35 GMT -8
This Leonard Cohen song has been running through my head all day.......
Everybody knows that the dice are loaded Everybody rolls with their fingers crossed Everybody knows that the war is over Everybody knows that the good guys lost Everybody knows the fight is fixed The poor stay poor and the rich get rich That's how it goes Everybody knows
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