Ted
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Post by Ted on Dec 13, 2016 13:27:00 GMT -8
Call me crazy, but it's my hope that there's a good reason(s) for letting the Mac slide, cutting routers, etc. I don't think Apple is getting less done with many more people these days. Couldn't it be that a larger than 'normal' percentage of the company is focusing on getting new product(s) (beyond the car) developed and out the door, while letting less profitable/innovative (routers) and long-term declining products (desktops, laptops) fade slowly away? Isn't this what it would look like if Apple had a major push going on internally? I realize this is an innocent and simplistic concept, but why else only refresh the Mac pro and allow iPads to languish through the x-mas season? IPods and Macs carried them through to the iPhone era; now it's time to let iPhone carry them on to the next big thang.
-- Ted, the hopeful.
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Post by rickag on Dec 13, 2016 14:11:03 GMT -8
Meanwhile AAPL up today.
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Post by joel90069 on Dec 13, 2016 14:16:43 GMT -8
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Post by rickag on Dec 13, 2016 14:18:23 GMT -8
Oh, and by the way the DJI closed only 88.79 away from 20,000, yikes. The NASDAQ closed up 0.95% and the S&P only 6.89 below its 52 week high made today.
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Post by aaplcrazie on Dec 13, 2016 14:43:39 GMT -8
Hey Ted, i like your thinking! we are so overdue "one more thing"
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Post by benoir on Dec 13, 2016 20:54:47 GMT -8
Call me crazy, but it's my hope that there's a good reason(s) for letting the Mac slide, cutting routers, etc. I don't think Apple is getting less done with many more people these days. Couldn't it be that a larger than 'normal' percentage of the company is focusing on getting new product(s) (beyond the car) developed and out the door, while letting less profitable/innovative (routers) and long-term declining products (desktops, laptops) fade slowly away? Isn't this what it would look like if Apple had a major push going on internally? I realize this is an innocent and simplistic concept, but why else only refresh the Mac pro and allow iPads to languish through the x-mas season? IPods and Macs carried them through to the iPhone era; now it's time to let iPhone carry them on to the next big thang. -- Ted, the hopeful. I don't quite understand the whole -' letting the mac slide' thing. I use a Mac and iPad and an iPhone for my job. There is no way I could get by without my iMac. A 4 inch and a 10 inch screen are nowhere enough. Sometime I wish I had more than 27". And wasn't it SJ that opined that we will always need trucks. Simplistically phones and tablets are for content consumption and desktops/laptops are for content creation. Now I did say that I use a tablet a phone for work, but it's my iMac that does the heavy lifting. I don't buy the argument that says everything is about the iphone at the expense of everything else. Apple's mantra has been for so long - 'it just works'. So why ditch the routers? I want to use the Apple stuff because it just works! (And does so(most of the time) in a nice touchy feels way) Personally I'm with tuffet here, I do wonder what they are up to sometimes. But I hope you are right and there are good reasons for the mysterious way Apple works. Btw... I value everyone's opinion here, both good and bad, upbeat or gloomy. Heck I even like JD's rants. This place is a great place to gauge sentiment of aapl investors/traders. So Tuffet, keep posting.
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Post by BillH on Dec 14, 2016 0:02:23 GMT -8
Call me crazy, but it's my hope that there's a good reason(s) for letting the Mac slide, cutting routers, etc. I don't think Apple is getting less done with many more people these days. Couldn't it be that a larger than 'normal' percentage of the company is focusing on getting new product(s) (beyond the car) developed and out the door, while letting less profitable/innovative (routers) and long-term declining products (desktops, laptops) fade slowly away? Isn't this what it would look like if Apple had a major push going on internally? I realize this is an innocent and simplistic concept, but why else only refresh the Mac pro and allow iPads to languish through the x-mas season? IPods and Macs carried them through to the iPhone era; now it's time to let iPhone carry them on to the next big thang. -- Ted, the hopeful. I don't quite understand the whole -' letting the mac slide' thing. I use a Mac and iPad and an iPhone for my job. There is no way I could get by without my iMac. A 4 inch and a 10 inch screen are nowhere enough. Sometime I wish I had more than 27". And wasn't it SJ that opined that we will always need trucks. Simplistically phones and tablets are for content consumption and desktops/laptops are for content creation. Now I did say that I use a tablet a phone for work, but it's my iMac that does the heavy lifting. I don't buy the argument that says everything is about the iphone at the expense of everything else. Apple's mantra has been for so long - 'it just works'. So why ditch the routers? I want to use the Apple stuff because it just works! (And does so(most of the time) in a nice touchy feels way) Personally I'm with tuffet here, I do wonder what they are up to sometimes. But I hope you are right and there are good reasons for the mysterious way Apple works. Btw... I value everyone's opinion here, both good and bad, upbeat or gloomy. Heck I even like JD's rants. This place is a great place to gauge sentiment of aapl investors/traders. So Tuffet, keep posting. I wish Pat was still here. I'm suspicious of a couple things but don't have the knowledge to be able to say. Might it not be that Apple didn't think the components available to upgrade the Pro didn't make for a justifiable upgrade? I'm typing this on a brand new MacBook 13" Pro with no touch bar. It's a replacement for a 2011 13" MacBook Air. Many felt the Air was the best computer they'd ever owned myself included. The rationale for the new one revolved mainly around a desire for a better screen and this one has it in spades. Other than that I'd be lying if I didn't say there wasn't much of a performance difference for the uses employed. I'm in solid agreement with Ted that troops and funding are being deployed elsewhere but don't agree that it infers they're turning their backs on legacy products. Wouldn't it be interesting to find (at some point down the road) they were using advanced machine learning algorithms to determine the markets and users willingness to pull out the checkbook and invest in a new machine? Having read Benedict Evans stack I'll be suspicious of every thing from now on. :-o.
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Post by mace on Dec 14, 2016 0:54:21 GMT -8
Apple does products that they can add good value.
Air Port - Routers are fairly matured products so can find many good routers on the market. Moreover, ISPs are giving gateways (modem + router) free. Hard for Apple to add value. Display - LG and Samsung displays are very good. Again hard to add value. Kind of same reason why Apple dropped making printers long ago. iMacs/ Mac Pro - Don't think prosumers buy these during Christmas.
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Post by mark on Dec 14, 2016 7:32:42 GMT -8
The Airpods and Beats X were a huge justification to eliminating the iPhone 7 headphone jack. Sure, that's what they said, but the real justification is that "everyone" has bluetooth headphones already, so the audio jack is close to superfluous at this point. And even if you don't have a set of BT earbuds yet, they are ridiculously cheap nowadays - like 5 bucks or less on eBay from Asia. A few years ago, I bought one of those ($6.49 if I recall) for use at the gym, and then a few weeks later bought a spare thinking that with all the sweat it would die quickly. Well, it still didn't die and I use it a few times a week on the elliptical (where I sweat profusely).
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Post by tuffett on Dec 14, 2016 10:35:35 GMT -8
The Airpods and Beats X were a huge justification to eliminating the iPhone 7 headphone jack. Sure, that's what they said, but the real justification is that "everyone" has bluetooth headphones already, so the audio jack is close to superfluous at this point. And even if you don't have a set of BT earbuds yet, they are ridiculously cheap nowadays - like 5 bucks or less on eBay from Asia. A few years ago, I bought one of those ($6.49 if I recall) for use at the gym, and then a few weeks later bought a spare thinking that with all the sweat it would die quickly. Well, it still didn't die and I use it a few times a week on the elliptical (where I sweat profusely). Most people I know don't own Bluetooth headphones. Also, I doubt a pair of $5 headphones is the experience Apple wants its customers to have. Yours may work well enough, and in fact my (more expensive) ones do as well, but bluetooth is notorious for unreliable pairing and connection. After all, there is a reason that Apple went through the effort of developing the W1 chip, isn't there? It's because they (probably correctly) consider current offerings inadequate.
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mark
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Post by mark on Dec 14, 2016 10:54:32 GMT -8
Sure, that's what they said, but the real justification is that "everyone" has bluetooth headphones already, so the audio jack is close to superfluous at this point. And even if you don't have a set of BT earbuds yet, they are ridiculously cheap nowadays - like 5 bucks or less on eBay from Asia. A few years ago, I bought one of those ($6.49 if I recall) for use at the gym, and then a few weeks later bought a spare thinking that with all the sweat it would die quickly. Well, it still didn't die and I use it a few times a week on the elliptical (where I sweat profusely). Most people I know don't own Bluetooth headphones. Also, I doubt a pair of $5 headphones is the experience Apple wants its customers to have. Yours may work well enough, and in fact my (more expensive) ones do as well, but bluetooth is notorious for unreliable pairing and connection. After all, there is a reason that Apple went through the effort of developing the W1 chip, isn't there? It's because they (probably correctly) consider current offerings inadequate. I've had no issues at all with pairing (other than having to re-pair after one of my kids uses mine). The audio quality is adequate to represent 128kbps encoded audio well enough. So far I've purchased three of the 5 buck ones, the first one that I use a few times a week at the gym, the second one that is still in the package as a spare, and the third one that my daughter uses regularly. They really do the job (of replacing wired earbuds) very well, and at my gym, if you look around, the vast majority of people use wireless BT earbuds/earphones nowadays. I haven't even tried the lightning earbuds that came with my 7+ yet. The one big negative of BT audio is that the battery needs to be charged and once in a while it dies while I'm in middle of exercising. I'm quite sure that the $150+ ones from Apple are better, probably far better, but they're also 20 times the price, so they better be better! But my point is, that for the tens of millions of iPhone 7 users, and next year for all the new Samsung/other high-end Android users, lacking an audio jack is no big deal.
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