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Post by Since84 on Nov 14, 2017 3:53:31 GMT -8
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Post by Since84 on Nov 14, 2017 6:40:24 GMT -8
It's a little quiet here -- after a few acrimonious posts. Please be respectful of other members, even if you disagree with them.
Contrarian viewpoints often help us refine our own perspectives and sometimes reveal blind spots. There may be posts we disagree with. It never hurts to check our premises.
If someone 'bothers' you that much, consider blocking them instead.
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Post by Since84 on Nov 14, 2017 6:42:06 GMT -8
I'll be happy if this dip lasts through the dividend so I can buy a few more shares...
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Post by bud777 on Nov 14, 2017 7:09:03 GMT -8
Years ago, Apple used to try to keep the stock price between 50 and 100, splitting when it passed 200. When we had the 7-1 split, I think it would have been $60/share except that it ran up on news of the split. If we see the kind of first quarter we expect in January and a stock price around 230, what to you think are the chances of a 2-1 split in April?
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Post by gtrplyr on Nov 14, 2017 7:14:55 GMT -8
I'm always up for a stock split so I sure hope so. I'm more concerned with AAPL raising the dividend but I'll settle for both !
Bad overall day today .... I'm guessing due to the news of slower growth from China but it looks to me like Apple is setting itself up for another record quarter coming up. This time I think the biggest shocker will be the ASP for the iPhone going through the roof.
Cheers to the longs !
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Post by ericinaustin on Nov 14, 2017 7:58:57 GMT -8
I agree with the asp. Im anxious to hear iPhone X numbers out of asia. Looks like china was waiting on the X and if it sells in really big numbers there earnings should be great.
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Post by sponge on Nov 14, 2017 7:59:18 GMT -8
Years ago, Apple used to try to keep the stock price between 50 and 100, splitting when it passed 200. When we had the 7-1 split, I think it would have been $60/share except that it ran up on news of the split. If we see the kind of first quarter we expect in January and a stock price around 230, what to you think are the chances of a 2-1 split in April? I don't see a split until we get to $400. I was surprised when Apple let it run to $700. It then waited almost 2 years before splitting. My crystal ball sees the stock at 190-205 between Feb-June. If history repeats itself, what ever high we see in Dec. get ready to see it again 6 months later.
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Post by ericinaustin on Nov 14, 2017 8:02:27 GMT -8
Also sent an inquiry to investor relations on date of annual meeting and they sent back reply that its not set yet and will be announced with the proxy statement usually out the first week of Jan. Blocked off last week of Feb. at my office and looking at some home away rentals for that week. Really want to see the new campus . I will likely stay in San Francisco and if anyone else is there perhaps a meet and greet at a bar or restaurant .
Eric in Austin
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Post by Since84 on Nov 14, 2017 9:37:33 GMT -8
RE: The annual meeting, Investor Relations send the information would be out shortly, and, unfortunately, they will not be giving tours of Apple Park.
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Post by chinacat on Nov 14, 2017 10:07:45 GMT -8
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Post by Since84 on Nov 14, 2017 10:26:11 GMT -8
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Post by chinacat on Nov 14, 2017 10:35:09 GMT -8
It's way too long, but I know that many AFBers will enjoy perennial AAPL bear Doug Kass's squirming explanation of his now-hilarious advice from September 2016: "Now for purposes of clarification, I plan going forward to offer my 12-month risk/reward quotient in my write-ups of individual companies. Here's my 12-month calculus for Apple, which was trading at around $106 a share at last check: - Upside: $115 (+8%) - Downside: $90 (-15%)" How the Worm Turned on My Apple Short and Bit Me in 2017
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Post by dreamRaj on Nov 14, 2017 10:45:34 GMT -8
That'll be lame if we head back to sub-170 as if the ER never happened.
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Post by Since84 on Nov 14, 2017 11:40:21 GMT -8
Well there is a pesky gap there. I'd rather fill it now...
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Post by osx10 on Nov 14, 2017 12:48:58 GMT -8
Agree 1000% on the Gap fill sentiment - we have seen it happen so many times that it might as well be now - hey, more shares to buy below $170 before Xmas would be a real gift!
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Post by dreamRaj on Nov 14, 2017 13:12:23 GMT -8
Well, I'm being cautious with my calls. Sold some today for a lower profit rather than hope for much more and instead end up losing even more.
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Post by Since84 on Nov 14, 2017 14:03:58 GMT -8
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Post by sponge on Nov 14, 2017 15:42:03 GMT -8
Agree 1000% on the Gap fill sentiment - we have seen it happen so many times that it might as well be now - hey, more shares to buy below $170 before Xmas would be a real gift! Knowing the way WS operates, they will run it to 182 then drop it down to 168 for good measures. Nothing will surprise me no matter how bullish everyone gets. The only difference is that if the tax cuts pass, then we could be off to the races. Then we run it up to 200 before we do the 12% drop.
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Post by chinacat on Nov 14, 2017 16:03:41 GMT -8
--- Johny Srouji, Apple's senior vice president of hardware technologies, told Hebrew daily business paper Calcalist. "We don't make buys to increase workforce and to obtain new talented workers, we do it for the technology." --- One has to wonder which came first, Apple's move to have more control over its chip development or its troubles with Qualcomm. My guess is the former, but if anyone knows for sure, please speak up.
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Post by BillH on Nov 14, 2017 19:27:11 GMT -8
--- Johny Srouji, Apple's senior vice president of hardware technologies, told Hebrew daily business paper Calcalist. "We don't make buys to increase workforce and to obtain new talented workers, we do it for the technology." --- One has to wonder which came first, Apple's move to have more control over its chip development or its troubles with Qualcomm. My guess is the former, but if anyone knows for sure, please speak up. Steve said long ago that they didn't want to be in any business where they didn't own the primary technology. That can (and does) mean many things when it comes to Apple but long before its spat with Qualcomm. I don't even think it's very personal to Apple, they're just working down their list of component costs and potential vulnerabilities.
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Post by deasys on Nov 14, 2017 23:03:38 GMT -8
Perhaps. However, it seems that Face ID is doing what it's designed to do. From the article: "Face ID on the iPhone has trained itself to the son accidentally during the repeated testing when making the video…if the son initially fails to unlock his parent’s device, but then the password is entered whilst in view of the sensor, his Face ID data can be brought into the neural network’s processing. This would make it more likely for his face to unlock the device in future, even if the initial setup process was the mother alone…
"The training process for Face ID only kicks in if the face data matches to a ‘certain threshold’. What Apple may do in a future software update is increase this threshold of likeness. This would reduce the number of false-positives for the training to consider, making it harder for face data from family members to contribute to the learning process."
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Post by JDSoCal on Nov 15, 2017 10:53:48 GMT -8
Perhaps. However, it seems that Face ID is doing what it's designed to do. From the article: "Face ID on the iPhone has trained itself to the son accidentally during the repeated testing when making the video…if the son initially fails to unlock his parent’s device, but then the password is entered whilst in view of the sensor, his Face ID data can be brought into the neural network’s processing. This would make it more likely for his face to unlock the device in future, even if the initial setup process was the mother alone…
"The training process for Face ID only kicks in if the face data matches to a ‘certain threshold’. What Apple may do in a future software update is increase this threshold of likeness. This would reduce the number of false-positives for the training to consider, making it harder for face data from family members to contribute to the learning process."In other words, this would never happen if a person trying to defeat Face ID didn’t have the password in the first place, which would of course vitiate the whole need of trying to hack it.
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Post by rickag on Nov 15, 2017 12:37:07 GMT -8
Perhaps. However, it seems that Face ID is doing what it's designed to do. From the article: "Face ID on the iPhone has trained itself to the son accidentally during the repeated testing when making the video…if the son initially fails to unlock his parent’s device, but then the password is entered whilst in view of the sensor, his Face ID data can be brought into the neural network’s processing. This would make it more likely for his face to unlock the device in future, even if the initial setup process was the mother alone…
"The training process for Face ID only kicks in if the face data matches to a ‘certain threshold’. What Apple may do in a future software update is increase this threshold of likeness. This would reduce the number of false-positives for the training to consider, making it harder for face data from family members to contribute to the learning process."In other words, this would never happen if a person trying to defeat Face ID didn’t have the password in the first place, which would of course vitiate the whole need of trying to hack it. I learned a new word. “vitiate” Even @ 66 never too old to learn.
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Post by macster on Nov 15, 2017 13:23:27 GMT -8
As someone suggested elsewhere. If would increase the dividend to 4 or 5%, Institutions would hop on board big time. The big swings during positive outlooks, excellent price targets and lack of black swan crisis would keep the weak hands and players from driving down so much. I've been long for 18 years and am used to it, but this is getting ridiculous.
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Post by tuffett on Nov 15, 2017 13:53:59 GMT -8
Calm down people. We’re an entire $7, or 4%, down from all time highs. This is nothing.
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Post by bud777 on Nov 15, 2017 23:30:23 GMT -8
In other words, this would never happen if a person trying to defeat Face ID didn’t have the password in the first place, which would of course vitiate the whole need of trying to hack it. I learned a new word. “vitiate” Even @ 66 never too old to learn. Me too. Isn't J.D. a treasure? I don't always like what he says but I always like the way he says it
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