chinacat
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Post by chinacat on Feb 7, 2020 7:31:56 GMT -8
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Post by chinacat on Feb 7, 2020 8:28:33 GMT -8
On a day with relatively little news, you can dazzle yourself with some amazing numbers in Apple (NASDAQ:AAPL) Stock Rating Reaffirmed by Deutsche Bank, e.g., “Following the completion of the transaction, the director now directly owns 1,134,712 shares of the company’s stock, valued at approximately $345,077,266.32.“
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chinacat
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Post by chinacat on Feb 7, 2020 9:24:02 GMT -8
I thought that this was a cogent comment to the article above: ”Such is the long lasting underbelly blessing of Apple with others using pigeonhole-categories as a metric to understanding their success, or future expected success, all with regular futility. Good luck with that. It seems that no one can hear the tune that they dance to.”
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Post by JDSoCal on Feb 7, 2020 11:01:21 GMT -8
Do you want to invest in sugar water, or do you want to invest in a company that is changing the world?
My take on the corona virus thing: I (and hopefully WS) see a significant difference in, "we missed iPhone sales estimates because we just couldn't make enough to meet demand because of of some black swan virus" vs "people just didn't want as much of our product." This virus is a temporary external thing, not some reflection on the fundamentals of the company or sentiment on its products.
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Post by duckpins on Feb 7, 2020 11:08:19 GMT -8
Your analysis is right but expecting rational behavior from people is a mistake. Expecting a bunch of crooks who are neither rational or honest to not take advantage of a situation that falls into their lap is a mistake. I don't know what they, the folks on Wall Street, are going to do. But I would bet that it about making money not about a careful analysis of the future prospects of a company or companies as effected by a virus. China ought to shut down these meat markets to help their financial markets. That is rational but there are years of tradition that keep the fabric of a society together.
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Post by bud777 on Feb 7, 2020 11:10:55 GMT -8
I think I mentioned last week that my AppleID had been taken over by hackers who had then tried to use ApplePay to reward themselves with $10,000 in addition to $7000 in purchases at the Apple store. Applecare was tireless in helping me to recover the ID and GS was very responsive in backing out the charges. I have not lost a dime. I should also mention Verizon who quickly restored my cell number that the hackers had stolen. Stealing the cell was important because it allows them to change passwords on sites that use 2 factor authentication. The slimeballs must do this all the time, because once they had the Apple ID, they added their own phone to the account, probably anticipating that I would get the number back and thus leaving them with a backdoor. Verizon and Apple were so quick that the hackers phone number was still in the account when I regained access. I could tell from the charges that they are in LA. Most of the charges were at an Applestore at a place called The Grove, so I contacted the LA Police to give them the number of the hackers iPhone 6s. Who knows if they will follow up on it, but at least they have enough to tell who and where they are.
Lesson lerarned: Change your passwords often and don't use the same password for multiple sites.
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Post by duckpins on Feb 7, 2020 12:06:59 GMT -8
So someone stole your phone and then your ID?
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Post by bud777 on Feb 7, 2020 13:02:46 GMT -8
They got access to the Verizon account and the AppleID, then did an illegal port of the number to their phone. I am not sure how they did it. Then they added another number to the iCloud account. I think the second number would allow the police to get an IMEI number and then locate them.
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Post by mark on Feb 7, 2020 13:12:42 GMT -8
I think I mentioned last week that my AppleID had been taken over by hackers who had then tried to use ApplePay to reward themselves with $10,000 in addition to $7000 in purchases at the Apple store. Applecare was tireless in helping me to recover the ID and GS was very responsive in backing out the charges. I have not lost a dime. I should also mention Verizon who quickly restored my cell number that the hackers had stolen. Stealing the cell was important because it allows them to change passwords on sites that use 2 factor authentication. The slimeballs must do this all the time, because once they had the Apple ID, they added their own phone to the account, probably anticipating that I would get the number back and thus leaving them with a backdoor. Verizon and Apple were so quick that the hackers phone number was still in the account when I regained access. I could tell from the charges that they are in LA. Most of the charges were at an Applestore at a place called The Grove, so I contacted the LA Police to give them the number of the hackers iPhone 6s. Who knows if they will follow up on it, but at least they have enough to tell who and where they are. Lesson learned: Change your passwords often and don't use the same password for multiple sites. That's horrible! I had my identity misappropriated (using a very clever method of mail fraud which I reported to 3 law enforcement agencies, including all details necessary to apprehend the criminals, which was promptly ignored by all 3 agencies) about a year ago and still have hassles to deal with today. In general, I try NOT to use my phone number as a secondary authentication factor since with a little social engineering, a phone number can be hacked. Instead I've been using authenticator apps as a second factor, it's still not a perfect solution, but it's working reasonably well for now.
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Post by Ted on Feb 7, 2020 14:07:42 GMT -8
In their rush to put out tantalizing new products, why do these dummies (Samsung & Motorola) not run their gadgets through enough testing to determine that their hardware designs flop on arrival, aka suck? 🤔 🧐 . . . and this is why we have no Air Mat charging pad thingie. arstechnica.com/gadgets/2020/02/just-one-day-after-launch-moto-razr-durability-problems-begin-to-pile-up/" So, just how durable is the new Moto Razr? Motorola's nostalgic, folding-display flip phone has a number of unproven features that, after the public failure of the Galaxy Fold, every potential customer should be concerned about. Evidence is starting to pile up that the Razr might be another delicate foldable that isn't up to the task of day-to-day smartphone usage.
In addition to the same display durability issues that the Galaxy Fold had . . ."
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Post by JDSoCal on Feb 7, 2020 18:30:27 GMT -8
Tried nibbling AAPL on the dip, but couldn't get a price I like.
Job numbers were great, but the media loves the corona virus FUD.
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