chinacat
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Post by chinacat on Oct 23, 2021 6:36:55 GMT -8
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Post by chinacat on Oct 23, 2021 9:37:00 GMT -8
Cult of Mac has An illustrated history of the iPod and its massive impact. Sherman, set the WABACK machine for for 2002. There is a long history in the article, but it is definitely clear that the lessons learned paved the way for the iPhone. Be sure to click through to the video of Steve Ballmer attempting to copy an Apple ad to announce the Zune.
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Post by chinacat on Oct 23, 2021 17:51:50 GMT -8
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Dave
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Post by Dave on Oct 24, 2021 2:41:32 GMT -8
Yes, that article is infuriating. I think these paragraphs describe who these companies truly are: And be sure to checkout the comments section. I think that it may be time for Apple to start its own social media platform that offers a safer environment for communication. As people start to find out who the Googles and Facebook’s truly are they need an alternative that is safer and trustworthy. Apple should be that company.
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Post by chinacat on Oct 24, 2021 8:03:07 GMT -8
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Post by Luckychoices on Oct 24, 2021 8:30:45 GMT -8
The site "Seeking Alpha" has investment articles referencing many different investments...one, of course, being AAPL/Apple. Although some AFB members have had their enthusiasm regarding AAPL wane over the years and have reduced their AAPL investment or sold it off entirely, most of us are convinced that there are very good reasons to continue their investment by whatever method(long, options, etc) makes the best sense to them. In my, way too frequent, visits to the comment sections of the AAPL/Apple articles, I'm struck by the many comments from folks who've *never* invested in the stock, and seemingly will never invest in it. They mock the AAPL investors as Apple fanboys, suggest whatever success AAPL/Apple had is at an end, etc. Even years after noticing this phenomenon, I can't imagine repeatedly spending time making negative comments online about a stock or investors in that stock. There is simply no stock or investment that causes me any irritation at all. A recent AAPL article, questioning whether Apple is overvalued or undervalued, brought a comment from a person with the username, vskatusa. He starts off suggesting Apple stock under Tim Cook is a "looser" and states "Apple is a stock I will never own." He even makes a comparison between AAPL, GOOGL and AMZN over a five year span. Since he didn't include dates, I couldn't check his dollar figures for accuracy, but the numbers he quotes clearly shows that AAPL has a higher return over the 5 years than the other two stocks...a fact that is swiftly pointed out by other commenters. 😎
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Post by 4aapl on Oct 24, 2021 13:32:22 GMT -8
Even years after noticing this phenomenon, I can't imagine repeatedly spending time making negative comments online about a stock or investors in that stock. There is simply no stock or investment that causes me any irritation at all. And yet it was enough irritation to cause you to make a negative comment about an "investor" not in a certain stock. We all have our hobbies and habits, and I dare say we all have flaws, even if they vary. Like Apple having to make the tough decision to say no to most things so they can focus on what they say yes to, we all have similar constraints to deal with. I try this with movies, mostly just saying no to ones with an IMDB rating below 6. Occasionally I get pulled into a TV show that I would have been fine skipping. Online discussions are the tough one. One extreme is only staying with views you also enjoy, whereas the other extreme might be clickbait, a troll, or even just some AI learning how to blend and how to push people's buttons. All 3 of these investments did pretty well if using the numbers given. While in this time period AAPL did the best, it's close enough that a slightly different window could have slightly different results. With AAPL in the S&P, Nasdaq, and Dow, nearly any investor with money in an index has a piece of AAPL.
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Post by mark on Oct 24, 2021 13:56:50 GMT -8
Even years after noticing this phenomenon, I can't imagine repeatedly spending time making negative comments online about a stock or investors in that stock. There is simply no stock or investment that causes me any irritation at all. And yet it was enough irritation to cause you to make a negative comment about an "investor" not in a certain stock. We all have our hobbies and habits, and I dare say we all have flaws, even if they vary. Like Apple having to make the tough decision to say no to most things so they can focus on what they say yes to, we all have similar constraints to deal with. I try this with movies, mostly just saying no to ones with an IMDB rating below 6. Occasionally I get pulled into a TV show that I would have been fine skipping. Online discussions are the tough one. One extreme is only staying with views you also enjoy, whereas the other extreme might be clickbait, a troll, or even just some AI learning how to blend and how to push people's buttons. All 3 of these investments did pretty well if using the numbers given. While in this time period AAPL did the best, it's close enough that a slightly different window could have slightly different results. With AAPL in the S&P, Nasdaq, and Dow, nearly any investor with money in an index has a piece of AAPL. I took the comment by Luckychoices as a comment on the phenomenon, not a comment on a particular investor. He simply used a particular discussion thread to illustrate that phenomenon. In this case, it is clear that the person isn't very sophisticated since they don't understand percentages and thus don't understand returns. They'd rather buy shares at $1000 and sell at $2000, and "make $1000" than buy shares at $100 and ell at $300, and only "make $200". There really are people out there like this that have no clue about how returns work, and how investing works. That's why we need auto-invest and auto-contribute 401(k)s for such people. I would much prefer if IMDB had a "profile" (based on my ratings and viewing habits) and matched my profile to the average of others like me, and then "adjust" the ratings using that information. There may be a class of movies rated '7' that you repeatedly rate as 8 or 9, and thus would be appropriate for them to recommend to you. I saw "Dune" a few days ago and FINALLY someone managed to make a good movie version of it! I recommend it. I sure hope it is success so they can get Part 2 funded.
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Post by Luckychoices on Oct 24, 2021 14:16:16 GMT -8
Even years after noticing this phenomenon, I can't imagine repeatedly spending time making negative comments online about a stock or investors in that stock. There is simply no stock or investment that causes me any irritation at all. And yet it was enough irritation to cause you to make a negative comment about an "investor" not in a certain stock. First of all, I wasn't *irritated*…I just didn’t, and don’t, understand why someone would spend any time at all reading and commenting about a stock which they considered a bad investment. And, believe me when I tell you, I really couldn’t care less that the person feels AAPL is a bad investment. So, I didn’t make a negative comment about "an ‘investor' not in a certain stock”, I was questioning why someone would spend the time justifying it. All 3 of these investments did pretty well if using the numbers given. While in this time period AAPL did the best, it's close enough that a slightly different window could have slightly different results. One again, I obviously didn’t make my point clear enough. It’s not that "a slightly different window could have slightly different results”…it’s why put up an example that illustrates the exact opposite of the point one is trying to make? Yes, we all make mistakes…and this was clearly a mistake.
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Post by Luckychoices on Oct 24, 2021 14:19:57 GMT -8
And yet it was enough irritation to cause you to make a negative comment about an "investor" not in a certain stock. We all have our hobbies and habits, and I dare say we all have flaws, even if they vary. Like Apple having to make the tough decision to say no to most things so they can focus on what they say yes to, we all have similar constraints to deal with. I try this with movies, mostly just saying no to ones with an IMDB rating below 6. Occasionally I get pulled into a TV show that I would have been fine skipping. Online discussions are the tough one. One extreme is only staying with views you also enjoy, whereas the other extreme might be clickbait, a troll, or even just some AI learning how to blend and how to push people's buttons. All 3 of these investments did pretty well if using the numbers given. While in this time period AAPL did the best, it's close enough that a slightly different window could have slightly different results. With AAPL in the S&P, Nasdaq, and Dow, nearly any investor with money in an index has a piece of AAPL. I took the comment by Luckychoices as a comment on the phenomenon, not a comment on a particular investor. He simply used a particular discussion thread to illustrate that phenomenon. Bingo!! Thanks, Mark...what you said!! 😎
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Post by 4aapl on Oct 24, 2021 15:04:07 GMT -8
First of all, I wasn't *irritated*…I just didn’t, and don’t, understand why someone would spend any time at all reading and commenting about a stock which they considered a bad investment. And, believe me when I tell you, I really couldn’t care less that the person feels AAPL is a bad investment. So, I didn’t make a negative comment about "an ‘investor' not in a certain stock”, I was questioning why someone would spend the time justifying it. That can go back to the trolling or bad AI, which potentially has the same trolling affect in order to learn how to attack. But more likely it's the "I like my team, so I hate it's rival" principle. It happens in many fields, but might be most common in sports and politics. Countries, cultures, and even truck brands. Something compels a person to purchase and apply an image of Calvin peeing on a Dodge, onto the back window of their Ford (and vise versa, including Chevy and Ram). Sometimes it comes back to Star Wars: “Fear is the path to the dark side … fear leads to anger … anger leads to hate … hate leads to suffering.” — "The Phantom Menace," 1999 There are people out there that truly hate the opposite of what they do or like, or at least enjoy getting a rise out of a group. I have a few good examples, but really, what does it matter? Enjoy what you enjoy. Minimize what you don't. And as this downpour on the west coast reminds us, stay out of the storm if you can.
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