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Post by chinacat on Nov 18, 2021 6:44:20 GMT -8
Truly one of the great stories in the history of Apple. Not only have the results been pretty astounding, but it furthers the control and integration that has always been at the heart of Apple’s success. AppleInsider has Apple, Drake and others face $750 million lawsuit over Astroworld deaths. Tragic as it was, I can’t see how “Apple Music streamed the event” made them liable for the mistakes of Live Nation, the promoter, on site.
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Post by 4aapl on Nov 18, 2021 7:15:16 GMT -8
I never know how much it matters these days, but volume was huge on near the money calls and puts, for this week and next. finance.yahoo.com/quote/AAPL/options?p=AAPLMaybe a bunch of it was just someone day trading, but 388k on weekly 155 calls (and 208k at 152.5), along with a few other calls and puts over 100k, seems like a lot. It could be interesting to see if the open interest hops up on any of those tomorrow. And it looks like most of the volume was just that, some day trading. I didn't care that much so didn't take a screenshot, but the open interest on the 155 calls don't seem that high for a monthly (currently ~123k, 97k @ 160, 70k @ 157.5, with nothing big on puts). That seems about normal, so there shouldn't be unexpected pressure on the stock price due to options. Still, it seems short term options are often a way to extract money from the super-bullish, so just guessing at it I wouldn't be surprised to see a push up to 156-157, and ending the week at 155. That's still north of here, so getting there would be a nice benefit.
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Post by JDSoCal on Nov 18, 2021 7:59:18 GMT -8
Fortunately, as Chief Executive Magazine regularly reports, Texas is a pro business state (guess who is ranked last), and has enacted various tort reforms. Yes, hard to see how a jury would find any negligence or causation by Apple. In which case, Apple may be able to recover litigation costs (including attorney's fees) under Texas's "loser pays" civ pro rules. Texas has an expedited motion to dismiss procedure, so we should know the results pretty soon, assuming Apple's lawyers file said motion. Hard to imagine even the most incompetent lawyers not fully aware of attorneys' fees provisions in a states rules. Additionally, Texas is now a modified joint and several liability state. Which means that a tortfeasor must be more than 50% responsible in order to be responsible for 100% of the damages. Otherwise, they are only responsible for an amount of damages equal to their percentage of fault. This prevents the "deep pockets" strategy used by defendants in pure joint and several liability states, where a defendant who is only partially liable can nonetheless be responsible for 100% of the damages.
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Post by chinacat on Nov 18, 2021 9:09:42 GMT -8
PED’s Reviews of Apple’s ‘Unleashed’ event included this: “Gene Munster, Loup Ventures: Apple’s Beating Intel At its Own Game. The biggest surprise of the event was related to pricing increases. The price of the new 16 in. MacBook Pro increased by 4%, entry-level AirPods by 13%, and 54% for the new 14 in. MacBook Pro compared to the previous 13 in. model. We don’t expect the higher prices to soften demand because Apple’s a case study in virtuous cycles of mutual benefit. The idea is that the company benefits from increased prices, while consumers are happy to pay the higher prices for the increased utility. It’s a win-win that ultimately benefits $AAPL investors.” I don’t always agree with Gene, but this is right on target.
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Post by ono on Nov 18, 2021 9:41:41 GMT -8
Artman!?
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Post by JDSoCal on Nov 18, 2021 9:52:40 GMT -8
Why AAPL is popping today: Apple Accelerates Work on Car Project, Aiming for Fully Autonomous VehicleI guess Tim read my post yesterday. Buried lede: Conventional wisdom holds that no computer/consumer electronics company can do what Apple is doing with M1. I think it's safe to expand that to no car company can do this either. Not even Tesla. Unless it makes some acquisitions. Hmm...Apple is road testing on Lexues...Lexi? So Toyota is the "foundry" for Apple Car?
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Post by artman1033 on Nov 18, 2021 10:01:19 GMT -8
AAPL ALL TIME HIGH!$158.67All Time Highest TODAY intraday 134,541,314 shares traded today
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Post by duckpins on Nov 18, 2021 10:35:11 GMT -8
Crypto and self driving cars? This is the future? These are bad rabbit holes to go down.
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Post by ono on Nov 18, 2021 10:41:59 GMT -8
1973 Woody Allen's Sleeper movie car, arriving soon.
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Post by Lstream on Nov 18, 2021 10:58:13 GMT -8
Crypto and self driving cars? This is the future? These are bad rabbit holes to go down. Self driving (autonomous) cars make a ton of sense. Seems obvious to me. Two major advantages come to mind right away 1. Autonomous vehicles don't get drunk, high, distracted, run red lights or otherwise make stupid decisions that kill and maim the driver and others. Maybe they will do stupid things sometime, but at no where near the same rate as humans do. Count on less death and injury and not by a little bit. 2. Restoring autonomy and independence for individuals who can no longer drive. Senior citizens for example. Imagine being able to step into one of these vehicles and have it take you wherever you want to go, safely and quickly. Compare that to what happens now, where millions lose their independence every year. How is any of this a bad rabbit hole?
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Post by chinacat on Nov 18, 2021 11:03:55 GMT -8
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Post by Lstream on Nov 18, 2021 11:16:02 GMT -8
Why AAPL is popping today: Apple Accelerates Work on Car Project, Aiming for Fully Autonomous VehicleI guess Tim read my post yesterday. Buried lede: Conventional wisdom holds that no computer/consumer electronics company can do what Apple is doing with M1. I think it's safe to expand that to no car company can do this either. Not even Tesla. Unless it makes some acquisitions. Hmm...Apple is road testing on Lexues...Lexi? So Toyota is the "foundry" for Apple Car? Musk might want to call up Intel's CEO and have him explain what it feels like to get M1'd. If this article is credible, I would not want to be competing with Apple in this space, given their silicon and associated expertise. Not to mention, an unlimited budget for all practical purposes. I just picked up one of the new MacBook Pro's. Stuff that sounds kind of trivial like being totally silent and crazy responsive cannot be appreciated until you actually use one of these machines. I probably watched 20 reviews of this product before pulling the trigger. The step-function improvement over the Intel-based stuff is universally blowing people away. Especially for the creatives. Apple's engineering chops to pull this off is just so impressive.
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Post by dc930 on Nov 18, 2021 11:21:00 GMT -8
Replying to a question from yesterday:
I added about 5% to my position last month for the first time in a while around $145, primarily to re-purchase shares I have donated over the past few years. I enjoy the tax-advantaged nature of donating shares from 10-15 years ago, and replacing with higher cost ones. Should have started doing that sooner! It was not due to earnings results, more of a general confidence in AAPL as a whole. I realized that other than selling covered calls, I haven't actually purchased new shares in my taxable account since 2013!
That's on top of my annual purchase in my Roth IRA (new funding + reinvesting dividends).
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Post by duckpins on Nov 18, 2021 11:27:43 GMT -8
New high sooner than later. I am probably wrong about self driving cars but that is my opinion. Everyone and their brother seems to want this. Obviously the big winners are restaurants and bars.
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Post by mark on Nov 18, 2021 11:34:38 GMT -8
Crypto and self driving cars? This is the future? These are bad rabbit holes to go down. Maybe crypto. But self-driving, and more importantly "cooperating", vehicles will be a boon to society.
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Post by mark on Nov 18, 2021 11:44:35 GMT -8
My guess is that Apple is designing a system for self-driving vehicles. And in general, it won't matter what type of vehicle is "wrapped around" that system. Similar to designing a system to handle processing/screen/touch/battery/charging/sensors/UI and then wrapping an iPhone around it, and then wrapping an iPod Touch around it, and then wrapping an iPad around it, and then wrapping a watch around it. I'd guess that this vehicle system will probably start out with a sedan wrapper, and then perhaps a small SUV wrapper, and then probably others (pickups? vans? trucks?).
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Post by JDSoCal on Nov 18, 2021 11:47:14 GMT -8
Musk might want to call up Intel's CEO and have him explain what it feels like to get M1'd. If this article is credible, I would not want to be competing with Apple in this space, given their silicon and associated expertise. Not to mention, an unlimited budget for all practical purposes. I just picked up one of the new MacBook Pro's. Stuff that sounds kind of trivial like being totally silent and crazy responsive cannot be appreciated until you actually use one of these machines. I probably watched 20 reviews of this product before pulling the trigger. The step-function improvement over the Intel-based stuff is universally blowing people away. Especially for the creatives. Apple's engineering chops to pull this off is just so impressive. It's undeniable that Apple has a robust car development program right now. Of course, as we learned from Gene "iTV" Munster, just because Apple is working on something, doesn't mean it will ever end up as an actual shipping product. One question that remains is, is it even possible, with current technology, to make a safe and reliable self-driving car? This is why I don't get why they would try self-driving first, rather than later down the road, no pun intended, after the initial regular car ships. I'm not one who is convinced that there is currently a strong market for EV's. I don't think there is some huge market clamor for them, rather than politically, and from a relatively small but passionate group of Gaia worshipers (e.g., those who want EV's because they think they are cleaner, i.e., those who don't know about lithium and other rare earth mining). I think Tesla's appeal goes way beyond the EV thing. I personally know people who have bought them and love them, but agree with me that "climate change" is junk science. So this bodes well for Apple, whose business success is largely driven by it making people want - and love - things they didn't know they wanted before. Apple doesn't mind following, and improving by adding value. Maybe the self-driving thing is the big value add. I know I hate driving in traffic. It's such a waste of time that I could be spending more productively. I've long been a critic of Tesla's questionable financials. Obviously its PE cannot be justified by any metric. But the stock just keep rising (until the Commies pressured Musk into selling some of his stock). Jobs said he didn't want to sell a TV, because people only buy them every 10 years, and the margins suck. Would this apply to cars as well? All I know is, I am really envious of TSLA's PE. 🚀 If Apple ships a car, AAPL will rocketship.
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Post by dmiller on Nov 18, 2021 11:52:13 GMT -8
Why AAPL is popping today: Apple Accelerates Work on Car Project, Aiming for Fully Autonomous VehicleI guess Tim read my post yesterday. Buried lede: Conventional wisdom holds that no computer/consumer electronics company can do what Apple is doing with M1. I think it's safe to expand that to no car company can do this either. Not even Tesla. Unless it makes some acquisitions. Hmm...Apple is road testing on Lexues...Lexi? So Toyota is the "foundry" for Apple Car? Musk might want to call up Intel's CEO and have him explain what it feels like to get M1'd. If this article is credible, I would not want to be competing with Apple in this space, given their silicon and associated expertise. Not to mention, an unlimited budget for all practical purposes. I just picked up one of the new MacBook Pro's. Stuff that sounds kind of trivial like being totally silent and crazy responsive cannot be appreciated until you actually use one of these machines. I probably watched 20 reviews of this product before pulling the trigger. The step-function improvement over the Intel-based stuff is universally blowing people away. Especially for the creatives. Apple's engineering chops to pull this off is just so impressive. I’m old enough and well-trained enough to know what a “step function” is 🙂
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Post by benoir on Nov 18, 2021 12:12:27 GMT -8
As I wake up this morning…. WE ARE NOT A $150 STOCK!
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Post by 4aapl on Nov 18, 2021 13:07:45 GMT -8
Nice!
Even better if most to all of it carries through into next week. Some high weekly options purchases today, even when thinking of the 4-1 split. And on those 157.5 calls, they went up just over 1000% today! I hope those that write weekly calls (Gregg was just talking about this, and others over at PED) were willing to sell, just as I've had to contemplate the same thing on my Jan 135's (yes, ready to sell a 10% stake, even though I covered half of those about a month ago, and bought more than all of those back when sub-125)
This, a little more of a push to competing on the EV and/or self-driving front, gives the comparison to others in that area with much higher PE's, and then boosts AAPL. All without knowing what they may come out with, when it will be, how much it will be, what the profit margin will be, how many they will make, etc. Hmmmmm, what could be wrong with that. Party like it's 1999!
I'm still thinking that one ideal way would be a package that could sell to multiple car makers, since it would work even better the more cars it is on. That could even be a boost to profit margins, instead of selling the whole vehicle.
There is a lot of change out there right now, and companies are figuring out what people want. Tesla threw a bunch of things at once into their cars, so it's hard to completely separate out the demand for the parts. Personally, I'd take self-driving (in at least some circumstances, starting with highway or freeway driving, especially on long trips) or even advanced safety over full EV, but I'd expect great styling and at least hybrid technology.
Nice move today AAPL! May it continue on towards the 170-180 range.
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Post by Luckychoices on Nov 18, 2021 13:19:47 GMT -8
Fortunately, as Chief Executive Magazine regularly reports, Texas is a pro business state (guess who is ranked last), and has enacted various tort reforms. Yes, hard to see how a jury would find any negligence or causation by Apple. In which case, Apple may be able to recover litigation costs (including attorney's fees) under Texas's "loser pays" civ pro rules. Texas has an expedited motion to dismiss procedure, so we should know the results pretty soon, assuming Apple's lawyers file said motion. Hard to imagine even the most incompetent lawyers not fully aware of attorneys' fees provisions in a states rules. Additionally, Texas is now a modified joint and several liability state. Which means that a tortfeasor must be more than 50% responsible in order to be responsible for 100% of the damages. Otherwise, they are only responsible for an amount of damages equal to their percentage of fault. This prevents the "deep pockets" strategy used by defendants in pure joint and several liability states, where a defendant who is only partially liable can nonetheless be responsible for 100% of the damages. Thanks for the link to the Chief Executive Magazine, JD. Their chart really shows the top two desirable states in which to do business: Texas and Florida. Perhaps Apple Inc. should consider relocating their headquarters to one or both of those states instead of heavily-taxed California. /s Apparently, according to side note on the chart, South Dakota is also good for *business*. The governors of Texas and Florida seem to really know how to do the right thing when it comes to *business*. For the 17th year in a row, Texas tops Chief Executive’s Best and Worst States for Business list. Number two? Florida, once again. When it comes to the three criteria CEOs tell us they value most in site selection—tax policy (37 percent rank it first), regulatory climate (35 percent) and talent availability (25 percent)—Texas and Florida outclass all comers. (Find out why, despite the February storm and power collapse, businesses are still flocking to the Lone Star State.)
And once again—yawn—California, New York, Illinois and Massachusetts pile up at the bottom of our rankings (based entirely on polling of the nation’s CEOs) where they have dwelt for most of the list’s existence.
But while the names at the top and the bottom remain unchanged, what has changed— dramatically—are the stakes. Governors take note: Our survey—of 383 CEOs in March 2021— finds the nation’s business leaders an increasingly restless bunch thanks to Covid. They’re open to all kinds of new ideas about how—and, more to the point—where to do business.
Forty-four percent of those we surveyed report that they’re “more open than before to examining new locations” for their business, while 34 percent said they’re “considering shifting [or] opening significant operations [or] facilities in a new state.” In a world of remote work, reshuffled markets and flat-out rethinking of nearly every aspect of business, the hearts and minds of CEOs are very much up for grabs.
A Tale of Two Besties
Florida certainly got the memo. From high-profile headhunting for high-net worth Wall Streeters to Governor Ron DeSantis’s flaunting of open beaches—and open businesses—throughout the pandemic, the Sunshine State is the clear winner in last year’s economic perception derby. Jonathan Chariff, CEO of South Motors Group, says Florida’s response to the pandemic has been “a tremendous factor,” in his decision to expand there—some $40 million in new BMW and Honda dealerships in Miami. “Florida is blowing up. Except for the extra traffic, it’s great.”
And while Orlando’s tourism economy is just starting to rebound, the city that Mickey built is now a true comer against traditional tech outposts. Major homegrown digital companies such as Luminar, maker of lidar for autonomous vehicles, and Fattmerchant, a competitor to Square in digital payments, “have created a lot of new millionaires in Central Florida,” says Tim Giuliani, head of the Orlando Economic Partnership. The area was pursuing as many new-business leads in the first quarter of 2021 as it had in the comparable period of 2019.
“Sunshine, low taxes, Covid openness: What talent wouldn’t want to move there?” says Kathy Mussio, partner with Atlas Insight development consultants in Washington, D.C. “You can save enough in taxes compared with the Northeast to make a down payment on a house in Florida.”
Brand Texas has had a different kind of year. Despite its No. 1 ranking, the Lone-Star State suffered a serious reputational setback when its electricity grid failed during a February cold snap (see sidebar). While rival Florida broadcasted sun, sand and surf, Texas emitted pure misery, images of frozen residents standing in lines for clean water amid one of the largest public infrastructure collapses in the nation’s history—one critics say was largely predictable and preventable.
CEOs noticed. Texans “are saying this is a blip they can fix,” says Josh Brumberger, CEO of Utilidata, a utility-software outfit based in Providence, Rhode Island. “But they should be leading with, ‘This was a colossal failure, and we own it, and here are the things we’re doing to fix it.’”
The Covid Factor
A few states that prioritized remaining open during the pandemic were able to realize a significant bump in this year’s ranking. South Dakota, where Governor Kristi Noem was defiant about allowing businesses in her state to carry on, jumped 12 spots to No. 12 thanks to national headlines—and praise from business leaders. “We’ve been free to operate as we choose, not just through the pandemic, but long before as well,” says Travas Uthe, CEO of Trav’s Outfitter, a big-box outerwear store in Watertown, South Dakota.
Rhode Island, which maintained a more open attitude than its neighbors, climbed to No. 37 from No. 40. “We never shut down our manufacturing sector or construction activities, which was rare among the states, because we partnered quickly with industry on safety protocols,” says Stefan Pryor, Rhode Island’s commerce secretary.
Some expect the bump from strong pro-business leadership during Covid to last. “We won’t know for a couple of years for sure,” says Larry Gigerich, managing director of the Ginovus economic-development consultancy in Fishers, Indiana. “But states that had strong and balanced leadership during Covid will probably be the best positioned for short- and longterm economic growth.”
The virus may finally be easing, but a huge new wildcard in the economic-development game could be how states and cities spend the funds they’ve been promised under the Biden Administration’s $1.9 trillion stimulus package. Port Huron, Michigan, may refund all 2020 property taxes with its $19 million windfall, for instance. Westchester County, New York, plans to use its $187 million to nip and tuck its economic platform via everything from expanding broadband capabilities for remote work to aiding small businesses.
“We’re well-positioned to roar back,” says Bridget Gibbons, economic-development head of the suburban New York City region that is already home to many of the nation’s most storied companies. “Companies with large headquarters are studying whether they want 10 floors in midtown Manhattan or a hybrid model so they can downsize their space—and come to us.” If, of course, Florida doesn’t get them first.Attachments:
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Post by Luckychoices on Nov 18, 2021 13:29:12 GMT -8
Not AAPL's best ever showing by November...but certainly not the worst. If 2021 ends with AAPL *only* up 22%, you'll hear no complaints from me. 😎
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Post by mark on Nov 18, 2021 14:01:03 GMT -8
It's undeniable that Apple has a robust car development program right now. Of course, as we learned from Gene "iTV" Munster, just because Apple is working on something, doesn't mean it will ever end up as an actual shipping product. One question that remains is, is it even possible, with current technology, to make a safe and reliable self-driving car? This is why I don't get why they would try self-driving first, rather than later down the road, no pun intended, after the initial regular car ships. I've long been of the opinion that self driving (the definition of self driving is that no human ever needs to be in the vehicle to control it) doesn't exist yet. Not only that, but I think it can't exist yet due to limitation of processing power on all vehicles shipping today (including my new Tesla, despite them selling what they call a "FSD" option for $10k). I also think that true self driving (no human needed) will not be efficient until vehicles begin to communicate with each other and cooperate when necessary. Though I think there can be some level of self driving before that happens, it'll just be MUCH better after communication happens. I think you are wrong about the market. There is a growing market for EVs for a few reasons: 1. They are simply better overall for the vast majority of driving people do. They drive better, they accelerate better, they "feel" better. 2. EVs are much much much more efficient, I figure about 3 times more efficient. So, if you drive 12,000 miles a year, and use 600 gallons, costing $2000, when you switch to EV, you will spend perhaps $650. That extra $1350 in your pocket each year can buy you a new top of the line iPhone. Every and every year. 3. EVs are fun. Even the cheaper ones handle nicely and accelerate well, sometimes VERY well. And they are quiet and smooth. Oh, and I pretty much only use the brake pedal a couple of times a week. Driving is different in an EV. 4. Because they have fewer [moving] parts, much less can go wrong and maintenance will be less of a pain/expense overall. After doing the cost benefit analysis, we went from 0 EV family to a 2 EV family in September. A Tesla and a Nissan Leaf. My daughter bought a used Leaf ... she drives about 70 miles a day to work, and she was taking our minivan each day. That was about 4 1/2 gallons a day, or about $15 a day. Now she takes the Leaf which uses perhaps 18 - 20 kWh a day, or about $2-3. And not only that, but there is a charger at her office building that she can use most of the time. And I bought the Tesla, well, because I wanted it. I still work from home, so I don't drive much at all, but my previous car wasn't behaving well anymore and I wanted to get rid of it. And I wanted to see what all the fuss is about EVs ... I work in an office with about 100 tech people (engineers, technicians, etc) and there are 13 owners of Teslas right now. Techies like new cool things, and they (we) like Teslas. I also have a bunch of neighbors with Teslas, a few doctors, many business owners, an attorney, a landscaper, and a few others. I assure you that none of them are Gaia worshippers ... because I can easily see that they don't bother recycling at all (no bins out on recycling day, ever). And they have plenty of regular trash bins out every trash day. I think a more accurate statement might be that the "Gaia worshippers" want to force OTHERS to buy EVs, but they aren't "the market" for them at all. EVs are clearly in high demand ... I ordered mine in the beginning of June and didn't receive it until September. And furthermore the Federal tax credit has ended for Teslas, yet they are still the EV that is most in demand. This is absolutely true. I don't think the self driving thing is the only added value, I think Apple will make other "car things" better too. I don't know which things, but I do know that Apple engineers will work very hard to make as many things better as possible. The P/E is insane and that's why I have never bought the stock. But in hindsight that is apparently a mistake. Live and learn. I don't think "the commies" pressured him to sell the stock. He filed with the SEC a few months ago to sell shares because he has some VERY VERY appreciated options (like a $6 strike price with stock at $1000+) expiring soon and will need to exercise and sell them. And he will need billions in cash to pay the tax bill which comes due upon exercise. So the whole few weeks of Musk and his billions in the news was simply the usual media reality show. And his tweet poll was hilarious, Musk is a kid at heart and likes having fun with us folks out here (stock selling polls, 420 comments, 69 comments, etc). We discussed this a while back and it is indeed worrisome. While Apple may make an awesome vehicle (or two or five), if the margins aren't exciting enough, it may not be as good for the owners of Apple (us) as expected. And then there's always the usual car issue ... make an awesome vehicle and set the margins high enough, and the vehicle will cost a lot, and the market will be substantially smaller. Try to make a mass market vehicle, then either the margins are lower or the awesomeness is lower. I hope Apple can find the right niche to maximize margin and profit. They did, and do, with the iPhone. Maybe they can do it again? Oh, I also think that the Apple cars, at least for the next decade, will still have a steering wheel (or some other human usable steering mechanism) in them, and will likely require, at least some of the time, a human driver. I don't think there's any way around that today. However, I *do* believe that Apple will be first with adequate processing power in a vehicle to be truly self driving. And if they choose to add communication and cooperation elements in them, future software upgrades could make them much more capable.
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Post by incorrigible on Nov 18, 2021 15:23:31 GMT -8
Mark - Best post I've read here in years. Bravo!
For what it's worth, I just opened a small position in Lucid. My thought process is that most of the high profile EV drivers are actors, sports star, movie stars, business people, et al that want to put on a good public image and have cash to spare. They'll do the green, environmentally responsible thing to do to get public approval as long as they can still drive a luxury and prestigious brand. Right up Apple's alley. Make the best "thing" at high margins. Leave the low margin, high volume crap to the rabble.
The whole Apple car thing reminds me of the IBM/Microsoft thing back in the 1980's. IBM: "The money is in the hardware. Not the software." Not so fast. If Apple can come up with a system that can be integrated in most/all other vehicles, think of the licensing revenues (*rubs hands greedily together*).
Anyway, nice to see APPL at new highs.
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Post by zzmac on Nov 18, 2021 19:47:45 GMT -8
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Post by crispin on Nov 18, 2021 20:49:35 GMT -8
Funny I was just looking at the Ioniq 5 for my wife too! There's limited supply in NZ, especially for the AWD model, so I may need to be patient. But it's kind of a stunner. She'll definitely outclass me driving around in my frumpy Leaf, lol.
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Post by zzmac on Nov 19, 2021 6:19:46 GMT -8
Funny I was just looking at the Ioniq 5 for my wife too! There's limited supply in NZ, especially for the AWD model, so I may need to be patient. But it's kind of a stunner. She'll definitely outclass me driving around in my frumpy Leaf, lol. Long wait here in Canada too.
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