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Post by aaplsauce on Feb 16, 2022 23:16:16 GMT -8
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Post by chinacat on Feb 17, 2022 8:01:29 GMT -8
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Post by JDSoCal on Feb 17, 2022 12:56:34 GMT -8
Yahoo!finance has Apple Shareholders Urged to Oppose Cook’s Pay Package. “Apple shareholders have been supportive of Cook and other executives’ pay in the past. At the 2021 annual meeting, 95% of votes cast backed its executive compensation program.” Tim would get my vote. Yeah, regardless whether you think Tim deserves the money, it is TERRIBLE optics for Apple's CEO to be pulling $100M. For the crowd that seems to love when Tim virtue signals about some social justice nonsense, I'd think this would be obvious. Especially at a time when Apple is being attacked as a big greedy monopolist. Especially at a time when so many have lost jobs and businesses. Tone deaf.
Meanwhile, I guess we are seeing that Putin's impressions of Biden matched the GRU profile of him: Weak and befuddled, so a green light to roll the US and the international "community." 📉 Lookout below!
Life could be worse though; Thank God I'm not an $ARKK bag holder. 🙈
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Post by nwjade on Feb 17, 2022 14:08:14 GMT -8
Yahoo!finance has Apple Shareholders Urged to Oppose Cook’s Pay Package. “Apple shareholders have been supportive of Cook and other executives’ pay in the past. At the 2021 annual meeting, 95% of votes cast backed its executive compensation program.” Tim would get my vote. Yeah, regardless whether you think Tim deserves the money, it is TERRIBLE optics for Apple's CEO to be pulling $100M. For the crowd that seems to love when Tim virtue signals about some social justice nonsense, I'd think this would be obvious. Especially at a time when Apple is being attacked as a big greedy monopolist. Especially at a time when so many have lost jobs and businesses. Tone deaf.
Meanwhile, I guess we are seeing that Putin's impressions of Biden matched the GRU profile of him: Weak and befuddled, so a green light to roll the US and the international "community." 📉 Lookout below! Life could be worse though; Thank God I'm not an $ARKK bag holder. 🙈
I wonder if anyone here follows any of the ARK Fund companies? (I only follow aapl and the macro economy) Any thoughts on any of them for a small long term side investment?
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Post by chinacat on Feb 17, 2022 14:36:54 GMT -8
Yahoo!finance has Apple Shareholders Urged to Oppose Cook’s Pay Package. “Apple shareholders have been supportive of Cook and other executives’ pay in the past. At the 2021 annual meeting, 95% of votes cast backed its executive compensation program.” Tim would get my vote. Yeah, regardless whether you think Tim deserves the money, it is TERRIBLE optics for Apple's CEO to be pulling $100M. For the crowd that seems to love when Tim virtue signals about some social justice nonsense, I'd think this would be obvious. Especially at a time when Apple is being attacked as a big greedy monopolist. Especially at a time when so many have lost jobs and businesses. Tone deaf.
Meanwhile, I guess we are seeing that Putin's impressions of Biden matched the GRU profile of him: Weak and befuddled, so a green light to roll the US and the international "community." 📉 Lookout below!
Life could be worse though; Thank God I'm not an $ARKK bag holder. 🙈
“Social justice nonsense”… This is just as revealing about your values as you think it is about Cook’s. ”Apple also noted in its proxy statement that Cook's stock award is the first he's received since he became CEO shortly before Steve Jobs died in 2011. “It has been a remarkable decade for Apple," the company said in the proxy statement”
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Post by Luckychoices on Feb 17, 2022 14:40:16 GMT -8
Yahoo!finance has Apple Shareholders Urged to Oppose Cook’s Pay Package. “Apple shareholders have been supportive of Cook and other executives’ pay in the past. At the 2021 annual meeting, 95% of votes cast backed its executive compensation program.” Tim would get my vote. Yeah, regardless whether you think Tim deserves the money, it is TERRIBLE optics for Apple's CEO to be pulling $100M. For the crowd that seems to love when Tim virtue signals about some social justice nonsense, I'd think this would be obvious. Especially at a time when Apple is being attacked as a big greedy monopolist. Especially at a time when so many have lost jobs and businesses. Tone deaf.
Meanwhile, I guess we are seeing that Putin's impressions of Biden matched the GRU profile of him: Weak and befuddled, so a green light to roll the US and the international "community." 📉 Lookout below! Life could be worse though; Thank God I'm not an $ARKK bag holder. 🙈
JD, Please consider posting your usually worthwhile comments regarding AAPL/Apple without also leaving a deposit in the punchbowl. I don't believe the cessation of political commentary in The Dungeon was a green light to bring it to the daily or weekend threads. If folks are interested in your opinions regarding Biden and/or the Biden administration, they can always message you. Thanks!
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Post by archibaldtuttle on Feb 17, 2022 15:19:02 GMT -8
Market extremely weak right now, teetering on the edge of collapse. AAPL holding up better than most but will be dragged down with everything else. If S&P rolls over, my guess is AAPL is likely to retest the 160 area in the next couple weeks, but it should hold there. That is the price that coincides with the weekly chart channel i've posted a couple times -- the lower trendline of that channel has been strong support for two years. But if that level fails, all bets are off -- look out below.
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Post by archibaldtuttle on Feb 17, 2022 15:26:50 GMT -8
For comparison, here is the weekly chart for SPY. It already lost its channel lower pivot 4 weeks ago, and is now testing its 50-week moving average, which coincides with the level it bounced at back in Sept/Oct. That's why I said it's teetering on the edge - if it can't hold the MA and can't bounce at 420 (where it bounced a few weeks ago), there are no technical supports below...
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Post by mark on Feb 17, 2022 16:32:27 GMT -8
Yahoo!finance has Apple Shareholders Urged to Oppose Cook’s Pay Package. “Apple shareholders have been supportive of Cook and other executives’ pay in the past. At the 2021 annual meeting, 95% of votes cast backed its executive compensation program.” Tim would get my vote. Yeah, regardless whether you think Tim deserves the money, it is TERRIBLE optics for Apple's CEO to be pulling $100M. For the crowd that seems to love when Tim virtue signals about some social justice nonsense, I'd think this would be obvious. Especially at a time when Apple is being attacked as a big greedy monopolist. Especially at a time when so many have lost jobs and businesses. Tone deaf.
Meanwhile, I guess we are seeing that Putin's impressions of Biden matched the GRU profile of him: Weak and befuddled, so a green light to roll the US and the international "community." 📉 Lookout below! Life could be worse though; Thank God I'm not an $ARKK bag holder. 🙈
How much do you think the CEO of a company worth nearly $3T should be paid? Remember that first $100M was options/grants over about 10 years. I also don't think Tim does it for the money. In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if he gave almost all of it away sometime after he retires.
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Post by crispin on Feb 17, 2022 16:52:05 GMT -8
Yeah, regardless whether you think Tim deserves the money, it is TERRIBLE optics for Apple's CEO to be pulling $100M. For the crowd that seems to love when Tim virtue signals about some social justice nonsense, I'd think this would be obvious. Especially at a time when Apple is being attacked as a big greedy monopolist. Especially at a time when so many have lost jobs and businesses. Tone deaf.
Meanwhile, I guess we are seeing that Putin's impressions of Biden matched the GRU profile of him: Weak and befuddled, so a green light to roll the US and the international "community." 📉 Lookout below! Life could be worse though; Thank God I'm not an $ARKK bag holder. 🙈
JD, Please consider posting your usually worthwhile comments regarding AAPL/Apple without also leaving a deposit in the punchbowl. I don't believe the cessation of political commentary in The Dungeon was a green light to bring it to the daily or weekend threads. If folks are interested in your opinions regarding Biden and/or the Biden administration, they can always message you. Thanks! I believe he has shown again and again that he is completely incapable of self control when there is opportunity to impotently whine about something or regurgitate some rightwing propaganda. I believe some active moderation would be an effective control, though for some reason that rarely seems to happen, much to the detriment of this board.
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Post by ono on Feb 17, 2022 17:07:48 GMT -8
In the Yahoo!Finance interview, Munger revealed a main reason why Berkshire believes in Apple. And it has to do with management.
“I think Apple is one of the strong companies and will stay a strong company,” Munger said. “I think it’s ungodly well-managed.”
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Post by ono on Feb 17, 2022 17:24:29 GMT -8
I won't argue with Munger.
I choose not to argue with JD. His comments that disagree with virtue signaling and the social justice steps Apple takes are his opinion. Comments on compensation are OK, even if I disagree. I would prefer his occasional extra political "commentary" wasn't injected, but I don't find it antagonizing even if it is meant to be so. I'm not going to reply with his comments in Bold. I prefer to ignore those parts.
I think the board has been pretty self-controlled, overall, thanks! Thanks, moderators.
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Post by ono on Feb 17, 2022 17:34:41 GMT -8
B of A: "Analyst Wamsi Mohan noted that as the world comes out of the pandemic, replacement cycles for smartphones are "re-normalizing," pointing out that a January 2022 survey found that 30% of respondents are likely to upgrade their phones every year, higher than the 23% in March 2020, but still below the 32% seen in December 2019.
Mohan reiterated the firm's Buy rating and $215 price target, some 23% higher than current levels."
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Post by chinacat on Feb 17, 2022 17:35:54 GMT -8
JD, Please consider posting your usually worthwhile comments regarding AAPL/Apple without also leaving a deposit in the punchbowl. I don't believe the cessation of political commentary in The Dungeon was a green light to bring it to the daily or weekend threads. If folks are interested in your opinions regarding Biden and/or the Biden administration, they can always message you. Thanks! I believe he has shown again and again that he is completely incapable of self control when there is opportunity to impotently whine about something or regurgitate some rightwing propaganda. I believe some active moderation would be an effective control, though for some reason that rarely seems to happen, much to the detriment of this board. As one of the mods, I invite you to help solve the problem that you imagine exists - contact 4aapl to become a mod and then you can show us all how it should be done. Until then, your opinions are just that.
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Post by JDSoCal on Feb 17, 2022 19:00:22 GMT -8
“Social justice nonsense”… This is just as revealing about your values as you think it is about Cook’s. Well, since you brought it up, social justice is the opposite of justice and I oppose it with every fiber of my being. AM I BEING CLEAR ENOUGH ABOUT MY VALUES?!?!
Lefties want to silence me?!?!?! SHOCKER!!!
Good Lord you people want a boring echo chamber. There were like 2 posts in this mausoleum today before I got here.
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Post by pauls on Feb 17, 2022 19:10:40 GMT -8
As long as only one special Apple discussion board member lets loose his partisan bs, everything seems to go smoothly. I thought this was well established long ago?
Best to grin and bear it!
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Post by hledgard on Feb 17, 2022 19:30:00 GMT -8
I think JD's posts are some of the most informative and cleverly written of any on this board ! !
His posts are always clever and insightful.
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Post by Luckychoices on Feb 17, 2022 19:49:39 GMT -8
I think JD's posts are the most informative and cleverly written of any one on this board ! ! His posts are always clever and insightful. Can you be any more obsequious? Since you're such a fan, please enlighten me as to what's informative and cleverly written about: "Meanwhile, I guess we are seeing that Putin's impressions of Biden matched the GRU profile of him: Weak and befuddled, so a green light to roll the US and the international "community." 📉 Lookout below!". Was it the "Putin's impressions of Biden matched the GRU profile of him" or was it the "Weak and befuddled" part that you found so informative and cleverly written? If you'll notice, my comment referred to his "usually worthwhile comments regarding AAPL/Apple"...it's the occasional deposit in the punchbowl that's completely unnecessary. Or is it the "deposit in the punchbowl" that you find insightful?
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Post by Luckychoices on Feb 17, 2022 19:57:05 GMT -8
I choose not to argue with JD. His comments that disagree with virtue signaling and the social justice steps Apple takes are his opinion. Comments on compensation are OK, even if I disagree. And I agree with you that everyone is welcome to their own opinion...but we've seen what has happened to this board in the past when everyone felt free to express their opinion about anything and everything connected to politics. That's not why this board exists. Comments about the current administration should be no more tolerated than comments about TFG. All AFB members should have the same rights and *responsibilities* whether they've been here since 2012 or are new members. And everyone should be expected to follow the rules of the board. I would prefer his occasional extra political "commentary" wasn't injected, but I don't find it antagonizing even if it is meant to be so. I'm not going to reply with his comments in Bold. I prefer to ignore those parts. And that's certainly your choice. The reason I bolded parts of his comment was to clearly mark to what I was responding. You can certainly ignore those parts if you choose and so could I. But, are you willing to ignore a heated dialog which breaks out on the daily thread between those who include "those parts" in their comment and those who *respond* to "those parts"? Are you willing to lose members from this board who contribute a great deal but are not as tolerant as you are? I'm not. We've already lost too many long-term members who don't post anymore. Did they leave because of the constant political squabbles that used to mar the daily and weekly threads? I have no idea...but I'd suggest we have more opportunity to retain valuable contributing members if we keep any and all political comments off the threads. The moderators on this board should not ignore *any* political commentary no matter who posts it, IMO. Isn't that the sole reason to have a dungeon thread entitled, " Moved from the daily thread"? And, BTW, the first comment moved to that thread was a comment consisting of one word. The response was: "Really? After a day of discussion, of saying to keep it on topic and try pushing buttons a little less if you want the community to stick around, you decide to push buttons just for the thrill of it? I don't much care which political person you care for or don't, but keep it on topic if you're going to post it in the daily thread." Even though the original single word posted was fine with me, the response was appropriate for the long term health of the board. It's still appropriate. I think the board has been pretty self-controlled, overall, thanks! Thanks, moderators. And once again, I agree with you. The board is in far better health than it was when political comments and insults were being posted fast and furiously in The Dungeon. Regrettably, I was one of the participants and it was a big waste of time and energy. Removing political commentary saved this board, IMO. Let's not go back to those days. I'm sure there are a number of online political boards available for those who want to discuss politics.
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Post by Dave on Feb 18, 2022 3:20:56 GMT -8
“Social justice nonsense”… This is just as revealing about your values as you think it is about Cook’s. Well, since you brought it up, social justice is the opposite of justice and I oppose it with every fiber of my being. AM I BEING CLEAR ENOUGH ABOUT MY VALUES?!?!
Lefties want to silence me?!?!?! SHOCKER!!!
Good Lord you people want a boring echo chamber. There were like 2 posts in this mausoleum today before I got here.
Thanks JD, that was a great response. Truthful and to the point. A great example of a boring echo chamber was The Braeburn Group, which of course no longer exists because it was a boring echo chamber. Few want to contribute, but many want to complain.
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Post by Dave on Feb 18, 2022 7:00:47 GMT -8
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Post by Dave on Feb 18, 2022 7:18:19 GMT -8
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Post by mark on Feb 18, 2022 7:26:08 GMT -8
I'm pretty sure this bolded statement isn't at all true. First of all, there aren't [m]any comparable companies. Second of all, I am nearly certain that CEOs at those other [unnamed] companies have just as much, and likely much higher, expenses for security and private jet travel.
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Post by Dave on Feb 18, 2022 11:45:03 GMT -8
Mark I somewhat agree, but this story and the story about the Apple stores unionizing are connected. As inflation continues to grow and people find it harder to choose between a new iPhone or feeding the family and these stories are in their memories it is not going to be good. And being able to point at other corporate heads salaries as an excuse will not be a smart thing to do. Just sayin.
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