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Post by chinacat on Apr 9, 2022 5:04:20 GMT -8
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Post by 4aapl on Apr 9, 2022 6:59:33 GMT -8
I hadn't really thought about that, but setting the expectations on an affordable luxury makes sense. It's not going to change everyone's timeframe, and I generally think it wouldn't change ours (which in the past could be up to 5+ years, but as we feed the "old but useable" ones to the kids while giving ourselves an affordable luxury, it's currently going to be more like 2-3 years), but psychology is a weird thing. On the stock price buy points, it is always strange to have buy points well above the current price (in the article, about $10 and $13 above the closing price), but I suppose it's all about the probabilities and turnover. I'd guess that while long term investors might see a 90% probability of making $20/share from the current $170 over the next 1-2 years, a short term technical person might see a 90% probability of making $5/share in weeks to a month from those higher prices. Do that again and again, and you're sitting pretty. Not my cup of tea But different things for different people.
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Post by CdnPhoto on Apr 9, 2022 7:23:20 GMT -8
Leasing an iPhone could also be beneficial for those that are buying it as a business. Easier to write it off.
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Post by macster on Apr 9, 2022 7:38:35 GMT -8
Forgive me If this business essentials/management video has already been seen. It’s quite entertaining youtu.be/GC5Gmkn92Bg
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Post by JDSoCal on Apr 10, 2022 11:49:44 GMT -8
On the stock price buy points, it is always strange to have buy points well above the current price (in the article, about $10 and $13 above the closing price), but I suppose it's all about the probabilities and turnover. I'd guess that while long term investors might see a 90% probability of making $20/share from the current $170 over the next 1-2 years, a short term technical person might see a 90% probability of making $5/share in weeks to a month from those higher prices. Do that again and again, and you're sitting pretty. Not my cup of tea But different things for different people. Yes that is weird, BTFPop? Maybe compromise and sell some puts (you need long term investor equity to sell options short term ).
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Post by Luckychoices on Apr 10, 2022 12:47:08 GMT -8
With all the bouncing around…up, down and sideways, that the AAPL share price has done in 2022, coupled with the fact that AAPL has been unable to meet or exceed the ATH that was set on the first market day of 2022, it’s easy for us all to forget how extraordinarily well AAPL investors are doing over the long haul. A sarcastic comment from an AAPL/Apple skeptic on Seeking Alpha, who referrenced the negative YTD performance of AAPL, motivated me to put together a small table illustrating AAPL’s year-to-year performance since 2008. I never track AAPL’s performance YTD but instead chart it from my retirement date of 05/19/08. Therefore I used the yearly percent changes since I retired and considered how the investment would have grown for three different investment amounts: $10,000, $50,000 and $100,000. Whether that amount was invested *on* 05/19/08 or that value of AAPL shares existed in one’s portfolio on that day is immaterial. The important thing is to appreciate how well that investment did(or would have done) over the last(almost) 14 years. Cheers to the very patient AAPL Longs! 😎
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Post by 4aapl on Apr 10, 2022 13:35:19 GMT -8
With all the bouncing around…up, down and sideways, that the AAPL share price has done in 2022, coupled with the fact that AAPL has been unable to meet or exceed the ATH that was set on the first market day of 2022, it’s easy for us all to forget how extraordinarily well AAPL investors are doing over the long haul. A sarcastic comment from an AAPL/Apple skeptic on Seeking Alpha, who referrenced the negative YTD performance of AAPL, motivated me to put together a small table illustrating AAPL’s year-to-year performance since 2008. I never track AAPL’s performance YTD but instead chart it from my retirement date of 05/19/08. Therefore I used the yearly percent changes since I retired and considered how the investment would have grown for three different investment amounts: $10,000, $50,000 and $100,000. Whether that amount was invested *on* 05/19/08 or that value of AAPL shares existed in one’s portfolio on that day is immaterial. The important thing is to appreciate how well that investment did(or would have done) over the last(almost) 14 years. Cheers to the very patient AAPL Longs! 😎 Do you already take into account the dividends, or just figure that's a little extra gravy? YTD calculations always seem strange to me, focused on a specific time rather than a specific time range. AAPL was near it's 52 week high and ATH at the start of the year, making for a hard compare. It's hard to guess at and give much probability to what the market will do in the coming 1-365 days. OTOH, most likely I expect AAPL to match or beat the market in the coming year. There's never a sure thing. But I'd take that bet....and I am. As are all of us here. Thanks AAPL
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Post by eastbaybob on Apr 10, 2022 14:25:08 GMT -8
@luckychoices, Thanks for those charts. I also retired in 2008, it's nice to see how well AAPL has done in my retirement years
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Post by hledgard on Apr 10, 2022 17:50:37 GMT -8
And I am in a crazy situation. I had some spare cash in the early eighties, and remembered my mother's advice, "buy a stock you believe in, and hold onto it". So, as my research was in Human Engineering, and I loved my Apple computer, I bought Apple.
Whew.
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Post by Luckychoices on Apr 10, 2022 18:40:21 GMT -8
With all the bouncing around…up, down and sideways, that the AAPL share price has done in 2022, coupled with the fact that AAPL has been unable to meet or exceed the ATH that was set on the first market day of 2022, it’s easy for us all to forget how extraordinarily well AAPL investors are doing over the long haul. A sarcastic comment from an AAPL/Apple skeptic on Seeking Alpha, who referrenced the negative YTD performance of AAPL, motivated me to put together a small table illustrating AAPL’s year-to-year performance since 2008. I never track AAPL’s performance YTD but instead chart it from my retirement date of 05/19/08. Therefore I used the yearly percent changes since I retired and considered how the investment would have grown for three different investment amounts: $10,000, $50,000 and $100,000. Whether that amount was invested *on* 05/19/08 or that value of AAPL shares existed in one’s portfolio on that day is immaterial. The important thing is to appreciate how well that investment did(or would have done) over the last(almost) 14 years. Cheers to the very patient AAPL Longs! 😎 Do you already take into account the dividends, or just figure that's a little extra gravy? I didn't take dividends into account in this case. When my wife and I seriously started buying AAPL in 2000, we didn't even speculate that Apple would ever restart their dividend program...so the restart in August of 2012 was a just a completely unexpected and pleasant financial surprise. I find it ludicrous that some folks make disparaging remarks about Apple's dividend percentage because, since we auto-reinvest the AAPL dividends from shares in our IRA's, we've gained many thousands of new AAPL shares with those "pitiful" dividends. Plus, we use the AAPL dividends in our trust accounts to travel or pay estimated taxes. And since I'm required to pay a yearly RMD, I'm pleased when I can use those "free' dividend-purchased shares to help satisfy my RMD instead of parting with shares I've owned for decades. For folks who criticize the low AAPL dividend percentage, I simply recommend they buy more AAPL shares. 😎
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Post by JDSoCal on Apr 11, 2022 10:55:08 GMT -8
In fairness, Apple pays the lowest yield of the 27 Dow dividend payers. And it also happens to be the richest company in the world.
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Post by 4aapl on Apr 11, 2022 12:01:10 GMT -8
For folks who criticize the low AAPL dividend percentage, I simply recommend they buy more AAPL shares. 😎 I think it depends on your take on a dividend. Some see it as the icing on the cake. I am not buying or selling shares based on the dividend, but it is pleasant that the dividend exceeds our normal annual expenses. OTOH, others see it as much more important, especially when comparing current investment choices. Apple isn't normally one to only go in partway, and yet here they have. The Yoda quote I believe is "Do or don't do, don't try". But really it all depends on what you compare to. Not many tech companies give dividends, even if MSFT (.84%) gives almost double AAPL's .52%. And comparing to other things, you often get slower stock appreciation, or sometimes virtually none over the last 5 years (INTC). I'm happy that Apple is giving a dividend, but at this point this is more like the Airport wireless routers, something not making or breaking the company (or the investment choice), but also something that Apple could choose to drop. Or they could change plans, and go into it with gusto. But this middle ground is just a little strange for Apple, making it more of a hobby.
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