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Post by Dave on Dec 7, 2022 2:22:10 GMT -8
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Post by Lstream on Dec 7, 2022 4:46:08 GMT -8
I don’t believe for one minute that Gurman has any basis in reality when making these statements. Making stuff up is good for his image.
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Post by hledgard on Dec 7, 2022 6:05:50 GMT -8
Making a fully self-driving car is impossible. And an all electric car is years away. I do wonder if this project is, in a way, a woke project.
Apple making a full interface for car manufacturers to use? Good.
Apple making the car? I think Apple should stay away.
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Post by Lstream on Dec 7, 2022 7:01:43 GMT -8
What do you mean that an all electric car is years away? Is there a secret gas tank in Teslas? And this “woke” term is getting way out of hand, when it refers to electric cars now. Coming from someone who has no near-term plans to buy an electric vehicle.
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Post by Ted on Dec 7, 2022 8:56:14 GMT -8
Making a fully self-driving car is impossible. And an all electric car is years away. I do wonder if this projects, in a way, a woke project. A full interface for car manufacturers to use, good. The car? I think Apple should stay away. As I understand it, 70 to 80% of Americans believe in climate change and want to reduce emissions from fossil fuel use. Electric cars are the inevitable next step for transportation and the environment. Applying the "woke" label to the major changes at hand only serves to make it a more divisive issue. Remember too that Elon started the electric car revolution, and he's decidedly (and esp. recently) very "unwoke." 🙄
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Post by aaplcrazie on Dec 7, 2022 9:14:58 GMT -8
Completed sale yesterday limit order above the LOD - that bloody car piece did not help any! climbed back on the horse this am with a small buy near the low...
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Post by Dave on Dec 7, 2022 9:30:12 GMT -8
I guess first of all, Mark Gurmans story, whether true or false is there just to move the needle on the stock price. Tomorrow it’ll likely be something else. I personally think that the idea of Apple getting into the car business is foolish and a waste of resources. I’m glad to see it being put on hold. Basically Apple’s been throwing crap at the wall to see what sticks. Remember the rumors about Apple building a television? And 70% to 80% of people believing anything doesn’t make it true. Many times ones wokeness is equal to one’s gullibility. And the reality is that if everyone were to go to electric transportation, there wouldn’t be enough electron’s to go around. Hopefully they won’t outlaw gas powered generators as everyone will need one. But wait, that could be a new product line for Apple. With every Apple car that Apple sells, they will throw in a free Apple gasoline generator. iGenerator. Perfect.
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Post by artman1033 on Dec 7, 2022 9:49:43 GMT -8
Apple Inc. (AAPL 147 ****): CFRA maintains our Buy opinion with an unchanged 12-month target price of $165. Taiwan Semiconductor Manufacturing Company (TMSC) announce the opening of a second Arizona foundry, upping investments to $40 billion from an initial $12 billion. The first plant opening in 2024 plans to develop 4nm chips (previously 5nm), while the second is for 3nm chips. We previously cited that a potential China attack on Taiwan is the biggest risk for the chip industry, with TSMC controlling over half of total global foundry supply and 90% of advanced chip manufacturing. While the new U.S. fabs by TSMC as well as others (e.g., Intel and Micron) will provide global chip diversification, it won’t be at the most advanced technology nodes (n-1 or n-2) and unable to produce the processors in Apple’s most advanced phones (iPhone 15 Pro’s in 2023 will likely migrate to 3nm). Given this, we caution supply chain risks will remain extremely high (at least over the next three to five years) for U.S. firms as Apple (by far TSMC’s biggest customer) and others will still need to rely on Taiwan to get its most advanced chips.
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Post by 4aapl on Dec 7, 2022 11:18:11 GMT -8
And the reality is that if everyone were to go to electric transportation, there wouldn’t be enough electron’s to go around. I understand the point you are trying to make. It's a common one, only looking at the extremes (everyone moving over at once), and putting it out there as an impossibility. Not just in this context, but in any disagreement. But like trying to explain complex concepts to children in simpler terms, I really try not to explain it wrong. There's plenty of electrons in the world. And neither AC or DC electricity uses up the electrons. With AC, electrons are "jiggled" back and forth, and with DC (ie a common AA battery system, like a flashlight) flows them through, but it's like one of those endless rivers at the water park, with the electrons flowing through. We'll see what happens on the Car front, Apple or otherwise. For EVs in general, there are a lot of good fits. But that doesn't mean that it is right for everyone. At the Ford dealer, a rep with a Lightning pulled up, so I asked about it. But it's not a perfect replacement for our truck, as one of the main reasons we have it is to go on long trips while pulling a trailer. 700+ miles, or ~500 while towing, gives some good flexibility. OTOH, a relative just drove from Seattle to the SF Bay in a day with his new Tesla. Their trick was to charge for 20-30 minutes when they could, hitting the sweet spot of charging (just like fast charging on the iPhone, that middle band up to 80%). But I-5 is pretty major, with lots of options. I think Apple is looking at all things that you use a lot. A car makes sense on that front, especially if it ties everything together. But like the TV vs set top box, sometimes it's not the main unit that Apple wants, but rather a part of it. Especially if that part ties it all together. We'll see. Just as the GM EV had a good and early following, but then disappeared and didn't even give GM a good head start in the market, there's time. Tesla has made good strides, and seems to be at a good place. But just because they are the Kleenex of the market, doesn't mean they don't have chinks. My wife and son both test drove my relative's Tesla, disliked having everything on the center screen, and didn't like the "single pedal driving" setup he was using (my understanding is that this is a setting). Add in looks, reliability (CR), and cost as potential issues. It's not a lock, even if in general I feel Tesla is in a good place. There is room for Apple, if they choose to go into the market. I personally don't think they should go the full car route. After using UIs in Ford, Toyota, and Honda, there is room to do it better, both for entertainment/Nav, and other digital UIs. I thought it was just a brand preference on scrolling sideways with the Toyota, and Up/Down with the Ford, but in reading the manual I see that Toyota switches to Up/Down on the larger dashboard screens (5" vs 7"). Who does that?!? But, coming in and taking over the UI and system of a car maker is going to be a hard sell, especially if ideally wanting to go across many brands. ApplePlay gets them in. It's a start. We'll see how this ends up, but I think it is much too early to know what to expect from it, though I expect Apple is doing lots of R&D in the area. Just as they had a partial Intel based OS for ages, with a small team.
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Post by 4aapl on Dec 7, 2022 11:20:16 GMT -8
It's good to keep an eye on the likes of Carvana. And hey look, they got the Beleaguered label. finance.yahoo.com/news/carvana-stock-tanks-december-7-154119414.htmlThere's others out there, still in the "loosing money" world, which might be ok when growing and the economy is good and interest is cheap, but isn't the best place to be right now.
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Post by duckpins on Dec 7, 2022 11:43:23 GMT -8
"As I understand it, 70 to 80% of Americans believe in climate change and want to reduce emissions from fossil fuel use. Electric cars are the inevitable next step for transportation and the environment. Applying the "woke" label to the major changes at hand only serves to make it a more divisive issue. Remember too that Elon started the electric car revolution, and he's decidedly (and esp. recently) very "unwoke." 🙄"
Every Berkeley liberal who can afford a tSLA drives one. Even if they rarely drive. Interesting putting solar panels on their houses is not a priority. Yet a moron can see that solar panels add energy from the sun whereas EVs just use energy from the grid where in comes at the bottom end of the environ scale from coal and nuclear. So Crytpo and TSLA to the rescue. Both use fossil fuel energy, they don't create energy from sun or wind.
Apple should never have gone down this road. Think of self driving from the corporate view. You have people locked into to your advertisements visually and by sound...a dream come true. They can't get away. Your car is about to become a moving billboard if they ever get this to work. Better Call Saul...
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Post by hledgard on Dec 7, 2022 11:55:35 GMT -8
Note, the Tesla self-driving car is Level 2, out of 5. A Level 5 is fully self driving. And truly impossible.
I know that GM is jumping on the electric car issue. But there are many huge obstacles for electric cars. One big one is the supply of magnetic and rare earth materials. Another the time it takes for re-charging on a trip. And another is the marked increase in large SUV's and trucks. And last, the stress on the electric grid.
I drive a hybrid car and love it. I support the general direction toward both self-driving and electric cars. But I think it will take time. And the free market, rather than fiat, should be the prime driving force.
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Post by Luckychoices on Dec 7, 2022 12:24:36 GMT -8
I guess first of all, Mark Gurmans story, whether true or false is there just to move the needle on the stock price. Tomorrow it’ll likely be something else. I personally think that the idea of Apple getting into the car business is foolish and a waste of resources. I’m glad to see it being put on hold. Basically Apple’s been throwing crap at the wall to see what sticks. Remember the rumors about Apple building a television? Don't forget that it was Steve Jobs who told Walter Isaacson that he’d “finally cracked” the secret of making an easy-to-use TV. Steve may have been referring to the Apple TV+ for all we know. And it was Piper Jaffray analyst Gene Munster who did a lot of speculating to keep that rumor alive, not Apple. IMO, companies like Apple need to invest money to investigate many different technologies and products even if they decide not to release a final product to the public. It's the price of keeping up, not "throwing crap at the wall". Whatever Happened to the Apple HDTV?• Rumors that are at odds with each other are a bad sign. For instance, the fact that the alleged experts couldn’t agree on the Apple HDTV’s screen size, screen technology or screen supplier showed that either some of them or all of them had it wrong. • So are rumors that sound fundamentally improbable. Such as Apple selling a TV with a large OLED screen, or bundling an HDTV with a secondary screen and a device called an “iRing.” By the time the company is actually about to announce something, the wackiness has usually subsided. • The supply chain can mislead. People keep thinking they see signs that Apple’s Asian suppliers are about to start helping it make an HDTV. So far, such evidence has meant nothing. • Analysts get irrationally exuberant. If they think Apple should make an HDTV, they tend to see signs that it will make an HDTV–one with the features they’d like to see–and will do it soon. Once a given analyst’s predictions have failed to come true for two holiday seasons in a row, it’s reasonable to ignore anything that person says about the topic in the future. • Patents have nothing–repeat, nothing–to do with product roadmaps. Which means that a pundit who uses them to make any predictions at all about an upcoming Apple product can also be safely ignored. And 70% to 80% of people believing anything doesn’t make it true. Many times ones wokeness is equal to one’s gullibility. And the reality is that if everyone were to go to electric transportation, there wouldn’t be enough electron’s to go around. Hopefully they won’t outlaw gas powered generators as everyone will need one. But wait, that could be a new product line for Apple. With every Apple car that Apple sells, they will throw in a free Apple gasoline generator. iGenerator. Perfect. You're the second member today who used some variation of "woke" in a post. Please help me out...what do *you* mean by "woke" or "wokeness"?
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Post by mark on Dec 7, 2022 12:39:34 GMT -8
Making a fully self-driving car is impossible. And an all electric car is years away. I do wonder if this projects, in a way, a woke project. A full interface for car manufacturers to use, good. The car? I think Apple should stay away. As I understand it, 70 to 80% of Americans believe in climate change and want to reduce emissions from fossil fuel use. Electric cars are the inevitable next step for transportation and the environment. Applying the "woke" label to the major changes at hand only serves to make it a more divisive issue. Remember too that Elon started the electric car revolution, and he's decidedly (and esp. recently) very "unwoke." 🙄 The whole discussion is laughable. Woke has nothing to do with it. Believing in human induced climate change has nothing to do with it. The fact is that, for many people, likely most people, the electric car is a better product than an ICE car. That's it. My nice 4-door sedan needed to be replaced last year. I replaced it with a nice 4-door EV sedan. I spent about as much on it as I would have spent on a replacement ICE vehicle. But, while my previous ICE got about 50 miles out of $10 of gasoline (over its lifetime, I kept a spreadsheet with every single gasoline purchase), my current EV gets over 270 miles out of $10 of electricity. There is hardly any annual maintenance for EVs. That’s for a few reasons. Mainly because there are very few moving parts, so less lubrication needs to be replaced/checked. But also, brakes are hardly used in an EV (I think I need to tap the brake pedal at most once or twice a week) because of regenerative braking. This is a nice benefit because it means I don’t have to take the cars periodically to a mechanic for all the usual stuff. Just have to rotate wheels and check the tires and add windshield washer fluid. That’s pretty much the extent of regular maintenance. And, after all this, after being much more economical, and easier to deal with, and comfortable, it provides better performance overall. It's quick off the mark, it has excellent passing power on highways, and enough power to get out of the way when necessary. You're the second member today who used some variation of "woke" in a post. Please help me out...what do *you* mean by "woke" or "wokeness"? Nowadays, "woke" means "leans left politically" to most people who use it this way.
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Post by Lstream on Dec 7, 2022 14:28:19 GMT -8
I guess first of all, Mark Gurmans story, whether true or false is there just to move the needle on the stock price. Tomorrow it’ll likely be something else. I personally think that the idea of Apple getting into the car business is foolish and a waste of resources. I’m glad to see it being put on hold. Basically Apple’s been throwing crap at the wall to see what sticks. Remember the rumors about Apple building a television? And 70% to 80% of people believing anything doesn’t make it true. Many times ones wokeness is equal to one’s gullibility. And the reality is that if everyone were to go to electric transportation, there wouldn’t be enough electron’s to go around. Hopefully they won’t outlaw gas powered generators as everyone will need one. But wait, that could be a new product line for Apple. With every Apple car that Apple sells, they will throw in a free Apple gasoline generator. iGenerator. Perfect. An unconfirmed project being put on hold. What next?
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Post by JDSoCal on Dec 7, 2022 14:29:26 GMT -8
Apple Inc. (AAPL 147 ****): CFRA maintains our Buy opinion with an unchanged 12-month target price of $165. Taiwan Semiconductor Manufacturing Company (TMSC) announce the opening of a second Arizona foundry, upping investments to $40 billion from an initial $12 billion. The first plant opening in 2024 plans to develop 4nm chips (previously 5nm), while the second is for 3nm chips. We previously cited that a potential China attack on Taiwan is the biggest risk for the chip industry, with TSMC controlling over half of total global foundry supply and 90% of advanced chip manufacturing. While the new U.S. fabs by TSMC as well as others (e.g., Intel and Micron) will provide global chip diversification, it won’t be at the most advanced technology nodes (n-1 or n-2) and unable to produce the processors in Apple’s most advanced phones (iPhone 15 Pro’s in 2023 will likely migrate to 3nm). Given this, we caution supply chain risks will remain extremely high (at least over the next three to five years) for U.S. firms as Apple (by far TSMC’s biggest customer) and others will still need to rely on Taiwan to get its most advanced chips. Apple's US chipmaking is the most underrated story of the day , at least on this board and its preoccupation with the EV fantasy (there is not enough lithium or other EV-related materials on earth to possibly replace every ICE car in California, let alone the world). Let alone enough grid capacity. Good lord people GET A GRIP ON REALITY. This climate religion does not comport with actual reality and is going to KILL PEOPLE (see: Europe this winter). It is not a science: ( ALL 36 Climate Models Are Too Warm). Maybe "70-80% of people" believe this AGW climate crap because that report cannot be found ANYWHERE in the mainstream media. Climate "science" is just a grift to get research dollars.
Anyway, looks like Apple is migrating chip production to the US. The questions remain 1) Will all of it go to US? (Tim likely telling Xi that it's just redundancy due to Covid issues) and 2) How will this affect margins? (although of course the factory won't be in business-hostile California). One positive about Big Tech's obsession with H1B's: They tend not to unionize. So hopefully US-made chips won't eviscerate margins.
OK, that's enough pixie dust sprinkled for one day!
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Post by Lstream on Dec 7, 2022 14:30:47 GMT -8
As I understand it, 70 to 80% of Americans believe in climate change and want to reduce emissions from fossil fuel use. Electric cars are the inevitable next step for transportation and the environment. Applying the "woke" label to the major changes at hand only serves to make it a more divisive issue. Remember too that Elon started the electric car revolution, and he's decidedly (and esp. recently) very "unwoke." 🙄 The whole discussion is laughable. Woke has nothing to do with it. Believing in human induced climate change has nothing to do with it. The fact is that, for many people, likely most people, the electric car is a better product than an ICE car. That's it. My nice 4-door sedan needed to be replaced last year. I replaced it with a nice 4-door EV sedan. I spent about as much on it as I would have spent on a replacement ICE vehicle. But, while my previous ICE got about 50 miles out of $10 of gasoline (over its lifetime, I kept a spreadsheet with every single gasoline purchase), my current EV gets over 270 miles out of $10 of electricity. There is hardly any annual maintenance for EVs. That’s for a few reasons. Mainly because there are very few moving parts, so less lubrication needs to be replaced/checked. But also, brakes are hardly used in an EV (I think I need to tap the brake pedal at most once or twice a week) because of regenerative braking. This is a nice benefit because it means I don’t have to take the cars periodically to a mechanic for all the usual stuff. Just have to rotate wheels and check the tires and add windshield washer fluid. That’s pretty much the extent of regular maintenance. And, after all this, after being much more economical, and easier to deal with, and comfortable, it provides better performance overall. It's quick off the mark, it has excellent passing power on highways, and enough power to get out of the way when necessary. You're the second member today who used some variation of "woke" in a post. Please help me out...what do *you* mean by "woke" or "wokeness"? Nowadays, "woke" means "leans left politically" to most people who use it this way. I just woke up from a nap, and read this. Great post. Guess I am woke. Shoot me.
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Post by Lstream on Dec 7, 2022 14:37:21 GMT -8
Apple Inc. (AAPL 147 ****): CFRA maintains our Buy opinion with an unchanged 12-month target price of $165. Taiwan Semiconductor Manufacturing Company (TMSC) announce the opening of a second Arizona foundry, upping investments to $40 billion from an initial $12 billion. The first plant opening in 2024 plans to develop 4nm chips (previously 5nm), while the second is for 3nm chips. We previously cited that a potential China attack on Taiwan is the biggest risk for the chip industry, with TSMC controlling over half of total global foundry supply and 90% of advanced chip manufacturing. While the new U.S. fabs by TSMC as well as others (e.g., Intel and Micron) will provide global chip diversification, it won’t be at the most advanced technology nodes (n-1 or n-2) and unable to produce the processors in Apple’s most advanced phones (iPhone 15 Pro’s in 2023 will likely migrate to 3nm). Given this, we caution supply chain risks will remain extremely high (at least over the next three to five years) for U.S. firms as Apple (by far TSMC’s biggest customer) and others will still need to rely on Taiwan to get its most advanced chips. Apple's US chipmaking is the most underrated story of the day , at least on this board and its preoccupation with the EV fantasy (there is not enough lithium or other EV-related materials on earth to possibly replace every ICE car in California, let alone the world). Let alone enough grid capacity. Good lord people GET A GRIP ON REALITY. This climate religion does not comport with actual reality and is going to KILL PEOPLE (see: Europe this winter). It is not a science: ( ALL 36 Climate Models Are Too Warm). Maybe "70-80% of people" believe this AGW climate crap because that report cannot be found ANYWHERE in the mainstream media. Climate "science" is just a grift to get research dollars. Anyway, looks like Apple is migrating chip production to the US. The questions remain 1) Will all of it go to US? (Tim likely telling Xi that it's just redundancy due to Covid issues) and 2) How will this affect margins? (although of course the factory won't be in business-hostile California). One positive about Big Tech's obsession with H1B's: They tend not to unionize. So hopefully US-made chips won't eviscerate margins.
OK, that's enough pixie dust sprinkled for one day!
Well at least you are not claiming that fully electric vehicles don’t exist. Hydro electric power is cheap and in large supply where I live. But that does not change the fact that the electric grid cannot handle the demands of electric cars being dominant. It also doesn’t negate them being a good solution for some customers. Not me yet. Maybe someday. But slamming EV’s due to then being in demand due to wokeness, is nonsense. People need to get a grip. I swear to God that some of the shit I read here is getting more ridiculous by the day.
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Post by Dave on Dec 7, 2022 15:00:13 GMT -8
Well at least you are not claiming that fully electric vehicles don’t exist. Hydro electric power is cheap and in large supply where I live. But that does not change the fact that the electric grid cannot handle the demands of electric cars being dominant. It also doesn’t negate them being a good solution for some customers. Not me yet. Maybe someday. But slamming EV’s due to then being in demand due to wokeness, is nonsense. People need to get a grip. I swear to God that some of the shit I read here is getting more ridiculous by the day. That’s not a problem, this website has more then enough space that you can fill each and every day. This is a great chance to counter all of the ridiculous shit that you read here with your own viewpoints and encouraging and insightful information that we can all benefit from. Really, there’s nothing holding you back.
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Post by chinacat on Dec 7, 2022 16:02:42 GMT -8
And 70% to 80% of people believing anything doesn’t make it true. Many times ones wokeness is equal to one’s gullibility. And the reality is that if everyone were to go to electric transportation, there wouldn’t be enough electron’s to go around. I hope that this was a lame attempt at a joke, because it is one of the silliest statements I have read in a long time. And the current trend of people attempting to buttress their argument by throwing in the term “woke” is pathetic.
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Post by Luckychoices on Dec 7, 2022 17:39:20 GMT -8
Well at least you are not claiming that fully electric vehicles don’t exist. Hydro electric power is cheap and in large supply where I live. But that does not change the fact that the electric grid cannot handle the demands of electric cars being dominant. It also doesn’t negate them being a good solution for some customers. Not me yet. Maybe someday. But slamming EV’s due to then being in demand due to wokeness, is nonsense. People need to get a grip. I swear to God that some of the shit I read here is getting more ridiculous by the day. That’s not a problem, this website has more then enough space that you can fill each and every day. This is a great chance to counter all of the ridiculous shit that you read here with your own viewpoints and encouraging and insightful information that we can all benefit from. Really, there’s nothing holding you back.Perhaps Lstream is reluctant to get involved countering "ridiculous shit"(often very thinly disguised political commentary) because he understands how damaging political commentary has been, and could be, for this board. Merriam-Webster defines the term "Woke" as "aware of and actively attentive to important societal facts and issues (especially issues of racial and social justice)". Should we assume that was the intended meaning in the post you made today when you said, "Many times ones wokeness is equal to one’s gullibility”? I was certainly not clear about the meaning of your comment...which is why I asked what *you* mean by "woke" or "wokeness"?
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Post by Lstream on Dec 7, 2022 22:10:19 GMT -8
That’s not a problem, this website has more then enough space that you can fill each and every day. This is a great chance to counter all of the ridiculous shit that you read here with your own viewpoints and encouraging and insightful information that we can all benefit from. Really, there’s nothing holding you back.Perhaps Lstream is reluctant to get involved countering "ridiculous shit"(often very thinly disguised political commentary) because he understands how damaging political commentary has been, and could be, for this board. Merriam-Webster defines the term "Woke" as "aware of and actively attentive to important societal facts and issues (especially issues of racial and social justice)". Should we assume that was the intended meaning in the post you made today when you said, "Many times ones wokeness is equal to one’s gullibility”? I was certainly not clear about the meaning of your comment...which is why I asked what *you* mean by "woke" or "wokeness"? Ya, I had a response posted and deleted it. Decided it was counterproductive to comment any further. Suffice to say that this woke stuff applied to EV’s including whatever Apple is doing is stunning to me. And not in a good way. Blown away by what I have read here today. Truly disappointing.
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Post by Lstream on Dec 7, 2022 22:11:06 GMT -8
And 70% to 80% of people believing anything doesn’t make it true. Many times ones wokeness is equal to one’s gullibility. And the reality is that if everyone were to go to electric transportation, there wouldn’t be enough electron’s to go around. I hope that this was a lame attempt at a joke, because it is one of the silliest statements I have read in a long time. And the current trend of people attempting to buttress their argument by throwing in the term “woke” is pathetic. Pathetic is too kind. Unreal.
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Post by Dave on Dec 8, 2022 3:14:05 GMT -8
That’s not a problem, this website has more then enough space that you can fill each and every day. This is a great chance to counter all of the ridiculous shit that you read here with your own viewpoints and encouraging and insightful information that we can all benefit from. Really, there’s nothing holding you back.Perhaps Lstream is reluctant to get involved countering "ridiculous shit"(often very thinly disguised political commentary) because he understands how damaging political commentary has been, and could be, for this board. Merriam-Webster defines the term "Woke" as "aware of and actively attentive to important societal facts and issues (especially issues of racial and social justice)". Should we assume that was the intended meaning in the post you made today when you said, "Many times ones wokeness is equal to one’s gullibility”? I was certainly not clear about the meaning of your comment...which is why I asked what *you* mean by "woke" or "wokeness"? I’ve also found a few examples of the term “Woke”: Showing 10 out of 26,600 results found for: WokeExamples seem to be everywhere, but you must be awake to recognize them.
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Post by Lstream on Dec 8, 2022 3:59:11 GMT -8
Really? Pulling Fox News into this? With the likes of Theo Fleury. That link contains an example of how this guy thinks. Why am I not surprised, that he is held up here as an example of “anti-woke”? Great contribution Dave. Further into the sewer this place goes.
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Post by Lstream on Dec 8, 2022 4:54:33 GMT -8
I guess you know that is where they are going. Apple’s “next generation” of CarPlay plans to take over every screen in your carI have a 2022 Audi S4, and would be all over this if it was available. Love the car, but the overall UI/Controls are flakey and difficult to understand. I have owned multiple Audis and as they jam more features in, their implementation is getting progressively worse. Guess we will see how hard the car companies bite on this. For me personally, it will be a swing factor in my next purchase.
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Post by Dave on Dec 8, 2022 5:25:28 GMT -8
The greatest resistance for CarPlay is coming from the auto manufacturers. They would basically be handing over their cars to one company, Apple. The bureaucracy’s inside each of the manufacturers are very entrenched and are resistant to losing their control. I’m not saying that it won’t happen, but will be difficult for Apple to break through that moat. Strange that you should bring this up, but I’ve just finished the install of a new head unit in my 2004 M3, the new system is just an Android operating system that interfaces with the cars onboard computer and has brought, at least that part of the car, into the 21st century. It provides control of an almost endless set of options that I did not know existed for that car and now has the ability to download apps to customize the unit to your needs. Avin USA
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Post by Lstream on Dec 8, 2022 5:55:05 GMT -8
I guess I wonder if they could even be going down this path without car company involvement? I would be surprised if they got to the announcement stage of this, on pure speculation, that they could do this.
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