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Post by Dave on Apr 13, 2023 1:48:18 GMT -8
Good morning. We have a green pre-market this morning at +0.44% at this moment.
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Post by Dave on Apr 13, 2023 2:22:20 GMT -8
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Post by Dave on Apr 13, 2023 2:27:36 GMT -8
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Post by Dave on Apr 13, 2023 2:53:43 GMT -8
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Post by chinacat on Apr 13, 2023 4:59:09 GMT -8
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Post by Dave on Apr 13, 2023 5:19:09 GMT -8
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Post by 4aapl on Apr 13, 2023 9:09:08 GMT -8
I'm sure it helps going to an area that already has had electronics assembly. Thailand has many areas to it, but they were big with hard drives, especially the read/write heads. I know someone who worked on the US side of that space, and we know two women from Thailand who worked there at readrite.com 18-30 years ago. It sounded similar to the factories in China, where workers would come from afar to work and live there, while knowing that the jobs would pay much better than ones in their rural towns. Having a workforce, infrastructure, shipping/recieving, and an area that will work with you is huge.
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Post by CdnPhoto on Apr 13, 2023 9:28:38 GMT -8
I'm sure it helps going to an area that already has had electronics assembly. Thailand has many areas to it, but they were big with hard drives, especially the read/write heads. I know someone who worked on the US side of that space, and we know two women from Thailand who worked there at readrite.com 18-30 years ago. It sounded similar to the factories in China, where workers would come from afar to work and live there, while knowing that the jobs would pay much better than ones in their rural towns. Having a workforce, infrastructure, shipping/recieving, and an area that will work with you is huge. I remember back a few years, just after I had come back from a visit to Thailand, they had a massive flood. Shipments of hard drives of all makes were impacted for many months.
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Post by 4aapl on Apr 13, 2023 9:33:38 GMT -8
We're still in this strange transition from "what's bad is good" to eventually "what's bad is bad". From the Fed minutes, it sounds like things are closer to turning a corner. Even if there is still another increase, most there aren't expecting as high of a rate at the end of the year, meaning less chance of further increases. It is still the government, so (as is often the case) things happen slow, there's bureaucracy, there's waiting for the solid data even if it is backward looking and delayed, and basically they are more careful than aggressive and risk-taking. FWIW, the same thing happens at different companies, often but not always dependent on the size of the company and how long it has been around. The small startup might be quick and nimble while taking risks, whereas the stereotypical big company might be represented by the likes of GE, IBM, an oil company, or even MSFT. I still think of Apple as being slightly more nimble, partially due to their focus, but that could very well be from being too close to it. Someone further back would probably say there have been no huge design changes in the iPhone, instead just having small improvements every year. And people closer to it would point out the huge increases in processor speed, the constant improvement with the cameras, the OS changes, and so on, while on the design side pointing out that you don't see car manufacturers suddenly trying a vehicle with 5 wheels (though 3 wheels or 6 wheels (not dualies) are very edge case). Anyways, change will happen, with the Fed and the economy. We don't know the exact timeframe, but it's likely things are closer to the end than the beginning, and so far it looks like a softer landing is likely. But then there's how this will affect Apple and AAPL. Will the job loses, interest rates, and economic impact be small enough to not overly affect Apple? Will it be enough that other companies will have some issues, and Apple might be able to opportunistically pick up some US or foreign manufacturing resources? Or will it be harsh enough that more people delay upgrades and purchases. If so, is it mild enough that people can realistically see the future purchase 3-6 months out, or does it get tossed into the area where analysts guess at the sale maybe happening a year out? If it was all straightforward and known, AAPL would probably be bopping in the 180-200 range right now, though looking at the 3 year chart one could see AAPL might be right where it should be (165-170), and the end of 2021 was a little frothy. We'll see how it goes. I'd like to see good earnings and response, and a push upwards to WWDC. But that's probably being optimistic, leaving the "cautiously" part to the side.
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Post by 4aapl on Apr 13, 2023 9:41:25 GMT -8
I remember back a few years, just after I had come back from a visit to Thailand, they had a massive flood. Shipments of hard drives of all makes were impacted for many months. Most places have occasional natural disasters. That was the beauty of Phoenix. If you didn't mind the summer heat, and didn't need massive amounts of water, it basically doesn't have any natural disasters. NV is similar, though parts of it still get occasional mostly small earthquakes, just like parts have other issues (forest fires, massive snow, etc). But there's a reason Apple and others have put big datacenters just outside of Reno, similar to other locations they put them. But diversifying your locations really helps, along with picking low risk places.
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Post by duckpins on Apr 13, 2023 10:07:32 GMT -8
Talking heads on the financial channels still negative in aggregate as the Bull Market coming has to climb the classic "wall of worry" to get going and going. Apple today is erupting to Max pain at 165. Must be so common with apple because so many are selling options?
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Post by duckpins on Apr 13, 2023 10:55:56 GMT -8
CRUS sold off. Don't know much about Apple suppliers. Strong chart though after big sell off.
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Post by bud777 on Apr 13, 2023 11:06:25 GMT -8
Can anyone guess who wrote this today?
As a financial analyst, it is my duty to provide a data-driven analysis of the current state of Tesla's stock, and to make an informed projection for the future. After conducting a thorough analysis, I am confident in my prediction that Tesla's stock will exceed $200 in 2023.
To begin, it is important to examine the current market trends that are impacting the stock price. The electric vehicle industry is growing rapidly, with increasing demand for environmentally friendly transportation solutions. Tesla, as a pioneer and leader in the field, is well-positioned to benefit from this trend. Additionally, Tesla's recent expansion into new markets, such as China, further strengthens its position.
Furthermore, Tesla has made significant advancements in its technology and manufacturing capabilities, which has allowed the company to scale production and reduce costs. This, in turn, has resulted in higher profit margins and increased revenue. In the first quarter of 2021, Tesla reported record profits of $438 million, up from $16 million in the same period last year.
Another factor contributing to my bullish outlook for Tesla is the company's ambitious plans for growth. Tesla is currently building new factories in Texas and Germany, which will significantly increase production capacity. Additionally, Tesla is expanding into new markets, such as energy storage and solar power. These strategic moves will likely result in higher revenue and profits for the company.
Finally, it is important to consider the impact of government policies and regulations on Tesla's stock. The Biden administration has made climate change a top priority, and has proposed significant investments in clean energy infrastructure. These policies are expected to benefit Tesla and other companies in the electric vehicle industry.
In conclusion, based on the factors outlined above, I am confident that Tesla's stock will exceed $200 in 2023. The company's leadership in the electric vehicle industry, strong financial performance, ambitious growth plans, and favorable government policies all point to a bright future for Tesla. As always, investors should carefully consider their own financial situation and investment goals before making any decisions.
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Post by Lstream on Apr 13, 2023 11:26:05 GMT -8
JDS is a huge fan of EV’s and subsidies. Must be him :-)
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Post by bud777 on Apr 13, 2023 11:33:25 GMT -8
JD writes much better than this. It was generated by ChatGPT. pretty amazing right? I think it speaks volumes about the quality of the financial press.
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Post by Dave on Apr 13, 2023 12:36:27 GMT -8
JD writes much better than this. It was generated by ChatGPT. pretty amazing right? I think it speaks volumes about the quality of the financial press. The truly frightening thing is that the market can be moved by these predictions. The herd will stampede, doesn’t matter if it’s a real gunshot into the air or a computer generated gunshot. React first, question later.
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Post by chinacat on Apr 13, 2023 13:11:13 GMT -8
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Post by 4aapl on Apr 13, 2023 13:49:13 GMT -8
Can anyone guess who wrote this today? As a financial analyst, it is my duty to provide a data-driven analysis of the current state of Tesla's stock, and to make an informed projection for the future. After conducting a thorough analysis, I am confident in my prediction that Tesla's stock will exceed $200 in 2023. To begin, it is important to examine the current market trends that are impacting the stock price. The electric vehicle industry is growing rapidly, with increasing demand for environmentally friendly transportation solutions. Tesla, as a pioneer and leader in the field, is well-positioned to benefit from this trend. Additionally, Tesla's recent expansion into new markets, such as China, further strengthens its position. Furthermore, Tesla has made significant advancements in its technology and manufacturing capabilities, which has allowed the company to scale production and reduce costs. This, in turn, has resulted in higher profit margins and increased revenue. In the first quarter of 2021, Tesla reported record profits of $438 million, up from $16 million in the same period last year. Another factor contributing to my bullish outlook for Tesla is the company's ambitious plans for growth. Tesla is currently building new factories in Texas and Germany, which will significantly increase production capacity. Additionally, Tesla is expanding into new markets, such as energy storage and solar power. These strategic moves will likely result in higher revenue and profits for the company. Finally, it is important to consider the impact of government policies and regulations on Tesla's stock. The Biden administration has made climate change a top priority, and has proposed significant investments in clean energy infrastructure. These policies are expected to benefit Tesla and other companies in the electric vehicle industry. In conclusion, based on the factors outlined above, I am confident that Tesla's stock will exceed $200 in 2023. The company's leadership in the electric vehicle industry, strong financial performance, ambitious growth plans, and favorable government policies all point to a bright future for Tesla. As always, investors should carefully consider their own financial situation and investment goals before making any decisions. I didn't read this until after seeing you said it was by ChatGPT. To me there's still a couple telltale signs. They're slight, but they're there. Often it is just too many figures, and too exact. This one doesn't have that. But the other is just sentence structure and interjections(?). I already tend to put in a bunch of commas, as you can see from these couple lines (plus the one I edited). But this has more. Plus "To begin", "Furthermore", "Additionally", "This", "In conclusion", "As always", "Tesla", and any others I missed. It's really close those, and some people do write like that, even if Strunk and White would probably strike it down. But my mom used to work for the newspaper, so I had some of these things pounded into me, and she has my copy of the book. It seems like an AI shouldn't be set up to call itself a financial analyst. Maybe this can bring back by-lines, along with a date, at the top of articles. It's always frustrating to read something and find that it's a year or two old. I don't mind "just the facts" type articles by AI, but when they make preferences or predictions, I'd want it to state the facts that it is using (increased sales, upcoming production cost decreases, stock movement from the past 6 months with bounds of x, etc) rather than something like "confident" that is more of a "gut feeling". Ahhh, there's another. Using the exact same wording in the intro and conclusion. I like it. It brings it all together, like a properly written 5 paragraph essay. But repeating the exact phrase is a no-no.
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Post by Ted on Apr 13, 2023 14:37:49 GMT -8
Can anyone guess who wrote this today? As a financial analyst, it is my duty to provide a data-driven analysis of the current state of Tesla's stock, and to make an informed projection for the future. After conducting a thorough analysis, I am confident in my prediction that Tesla's stock will exceed $200 in 2023. To begin, it is important to examine the current market trends that are impacting the stock price. The electric vehicle industry is growing rapidly, with increasing demand for environmentally friendly transportation solutions. Tesla, as a pioneer and leader in the field, is well-positioned to benefit from this trend. Additionally, Tesla's recent expansion into new markets, such as China, further strengthens its position. Furthermore, Tesla has made significant advancements in its technology and manufacturing capabilities, which has allowed the company to scale production and reduce costs. This, in turn, has resulted in higher profit margins and increased revenue. In the first quarter of 2021, Tesla reported record profits of $438 million, up from $16 million in the same period last year. Another factor contributing to my bullish outlook for Tesla is the company's ambitious plans for growth. Tesla is currently building new factories in Texas and Germany, which will significantly increase production capacity. Additionally, Tesla is expanding into new markets, such as energy storage and solar power. These strategic moves will likely result in higher revenue and profits for the company. Finally, it is important to consider the impact of government policies and regulations on Tesla's stock. The Biden administration has made climate change a top priority, and has proposed significant investments in clean energy infrastructure. These policies are expected to benefit Tesla and other companies in the electric vehicle industry. In conclusion, based on the factors outlined above, I am confident that Tesla's stock will exceed $200 in 2023. The company's leadership in the electric vehicle industry, strong financial performance, ambitious growth plans, and favorable government policies all point to a bright future for Tesla. As always, investors should carefully consider their own financial situation and investment goals before making any decisions. I didn't read this until after seeing you said it was by ChatGPT. To me there's still a couple telltale signs. They're slight, but they're there. Often it is just too many figures, and too exact. This one doesn't have that. But the other is just sentence structure and interjections(?). I already tend to put in a bunch of commas, as you can see from these couple lines (plus the one I edited). But this has more. Plus "To begin", "Furthermore", "Additionally", "This", "In conclusion", "As always", "Tesla", and any others I missed. It's really close those, and some people do write like that, even if Strunk and White would probably strike it down. But my mom used to work for the newspaper, so I had some of these things pounded into me, and she has my copy of the book. It seems like an AI shouldn't be set up to call itself a financial analyst. Maybe this can bring back by-lines, along with a date, at the top of articles. It's always frustrating to read something and find that it's a year or two old. I don't mind "just the facts" type articles by AI, but when they make preferences or predictions, I'd want it to state the facts that it is using (increased sales, upcoming production cost decreases, stock movement from the past 6 months with bounds of x, etc) rather than something like "confident" that is more of a "gut feeling". Ahhh, there's another. Using the exact same wording in the intro and conclusion. I like it. It brings it all together, like a properly written 5 paragraph essay. But repeating the exact phrase is a no-no. Exactly, it's pretty obvious that a script was used to write this. Plus, two uses of the word "additionally" in five short paragraphs, pul-leez. But AI's getting better for sure.
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Post by bud777 on Apr 14, 2023 3:30:42 GMT -8
The Query to Chat GPT was "write an article in the style of a Wall Street financial analyst that argues that TESLA stock will exceed 200 in 2023." To me the significance of the article wasn't that Ahat GPT was intelligent, it was that financial analysts and most of the articles they write were so superficial. So I pose the question, "Could a financial analyst pass the Turing test?"
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Post by mark on Apr 16, 2023 10:44:10 GMT -8
Can anyone guess who wrote this today? ... JD writes much better than this. It was generated by ChatGPT. pretty amazing right? I think it speaks volumes about the quality of the financial press. Written today? Then it's patently ridiculous. Because Tesla stock has already exceeded $200 in 2023!
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