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Post by CdnPhoto on Dec 4, 2023 4:07:39 GMT -8
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Post by CdnPhoto on Dec 4, 2023 5:32:08 GMT -8
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Post by aapl on Dec 4, 2023 9:59:34 GMT -8
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Post by 4aapl on Dec 4, 2023 16:26:37 GMT -8
While immersive and so benefitted by fuller surround vision and sound, both of those don't take advantage of more of the features of the Apple Vision Pro, and could be done with a good AV setup. They might be a good use for the device, but it doesn't seem like that alone will be enough to push it. In the comments there, one was about training, whether as a locomotive engineer or a surgeon. I think that will be a great use of it. I don't know if it alone will be the killer app, but it should be a good use. There's the full-on mech-warrior controller option (also from Alien, or Matrix, etc), of controlling a robot while not actually have to be attached to it and running the joysticks there. But then what is the point of the being available in real life or looking like you are. I don't know. Which is fine....if anyone could figure out the killer app by just thinking about it for a few minutes, it wouldn't be very breakthrough. What I do know is what was also brought up in the comments, about a room full of people not really interacting because they are looking at their phone. Likewise, lately our house has often had some times where most of the people have an earbud in or even over the ear headphones. They're there, but it doesn't seem like it when you say something and no one responds. And that's without visual distraction, and either music or books going at 175% speed. I've mostly stayed away from that, but at some point you stop trying to communicate. OTOH, it is a way to be in the same physical area without disturbing people. I've put on headphones and watched a couple movies, and Seal Team season six. There's not quite the feeling of the sub's base, but otherwise it does a good job, while not disturbing others in the house. But is that all that the Apple Vision Pro is after? No, Apple was pushing to keep you immersed in reality, to be there. That is going to be tough. That's why talking on a cell phone while driving can put people in a worse place than driving drunk, since you mind wonders and is distracted. And yet it is hard to comprehend, since how different is it to listen to a radio show, talk to someone in the passenger seat, or talk to someone on the phone. I've wondered about that for the last 25 years when they started outlawing holding a cell phone to your ear while driving. A coworker felt that just holding a brick up to your ear would make your driving worse. But I think, while sometimes a little tough to accept, the problem is more our mind wondering or thinking about more than just driving, no matter if you are holding a phone up or on speakerphone. So how is the Apple Vision Pro going to do with that. Does it distract less, at only 20% visibility instead of 100%? Are you really going to be able to catch or kick that soccer ball from Apple's promo video. Or no matter the visibility, is your brain going to be split by somewhere around 50%, and thus just having to deal with what to prioritize? Maybe instead of trying to figure out killer app solutions that use all of the features, it instead will be different apps using a set of some of the features. So the remote learning or practicing won't rely much on the "looking like you are still there in real life" or even showing much of real life. But the "what's this person's name, directions, and give me full on google notes all the time" might only have a visibility of 10-20% or be in a way that it is not too distracting, while keeping the person mainly in real life. We'll see. I know from experience that Apple doesn't push things forward unless there's a plan, and they feel they have a good grasp on the subject. I'm sure Apple has a couple good use cases on this that utilize the HW advantages, even if they didn't (hoping they know now) exactly know what would bring in the masses.
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Post by Dave on Dec 5, 2023 6:48:28 GMT -8
What I do know is what was also brought up in the comments, about a room full of people not really interacting because they are looking at their phone. Likewise, lately our house has often had some times where most of the people have an earbud in or even over the ear headphones. They're there, but it doesn't seem like it when you say something and no one responds. And that's without visual distraction, and either music or books going at 175% speed. I've mostly stayed away from that, but at some point you stop trying to communicate. OTOH, it is a way to be in the same physical area without disturbing people. I've put on headphones and watched a couple movies, and Seal Team season six. There's not quite the feeling of the sub's base, but otherwise it does a good job, while not disturbing others in the house. 4aapl your reference reminded me of a story I had read not long ago. Social Media and Mental Health: An Adverse RelationshipThe Apple Vision Pro will be the next level of not just social media but the combining of all of our digital devices. Cell phone, computer, education, entertainment and the list goes on and on. It will have its niche uses, but it will be the masses that provide the necessary profits. So what are the masses looking for, but maybe even they are not aware of yet? No More FOMO: Limiting Social Media Decreases Loneliness and Depression
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Post by mark on Dec 5, 2023 7:11:53 GMT -8
The thing that is rarely mentioned in these studies is that, yes, limiting social media definitely shows improvements in the aforementioned areas. BUT, that may only apply to people who, in that extra time, will engage in other types of social interaction. For example, college students that drop one hour of staring at their phones scrolling away, and replace that hour with 30 minutes of playing ultimate frisbee and 30 minutes of conversing with their ultimate frisbee group, will show improvement in those areas. But someone who works from home, if they drop spending an hour on social media, and instead wander around the house looking for a snack, or simply sit on their sofa craving social interaction, perhaps that isn't so. Basically, every good study regarding human time use has to consider the potential alternatives as well as the specific thing they are studying to get good study results. A similar principle applies to new pharmaceutical products.
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Post by 4aapl on Dec 5, 2023 9:31:20 GMT -8
The thing that is rarely mentioned in these studies is that, yes, limiting social media definitely shows improvements in the aforementioned areas. BUT, that may only apply to people who, in that extra time, will engage in other types of social interaction. For example, college students that drop one hour of staring at their phones scrolling away, and replace that hour with 30 minutes of playing ultimate frisbee and 30 minutes of conversing with their ultimate frisbee group, will show improvement in those areas. But someone who works from home, if they drop spending an hour on social media, and instead wander around the house looking for a snack, or simply sit on their sofa craving social interaction, perhaps that isn't so. Basically, every good study regarding human time use has to consider the potential alternatives as well as the specific thing they are studying to get good study results. A similar principle applies to new pharmaceutical products. Like most new tools, you can generalize it to be able to be used for good or evil. My kids mostly haven't been stuck on social media, and are more likely to get stuck on youtube, which again can be good or bad. It lets them hear ideas or get info easily, like the person tricking out their RC car or drone, making a backyard ski ramp, or drawing elves. But the same availability could lead to one focusing on one thing or one voice, instead of getting lots of ideas or viewpoints. And that has the possibility of being bad. It might not be bad if say interested in all the info about dinosaurs, or being super interested in learning all about a career in ophthalmology. It just depends. But if needing to come up with a general solution, it seems the answer is at least sometimes getting a broad scope from a broad group of people, ideally in person but any form is a start. That gives room for someone focus on a mega-hobby in Dungeons and Dragons, and yet still reminds them there is life beyond the multi-facetted die. ...and so maybe that just comes down to, with kids, getting them to go outside and do stuff with friends, at least for a bit. The same thing is true with adults. And while I can't say I form any deep meaningful ties from it, as mostly more of an introvert I really enjoy getting to have 6 minute conversations with people on the ski lift. Occasionally it is a lot more, like catching up with the same person for 3 lifts, or getting stuck in the line with them while the lift is stopped (got to talk to a guy making software to design chips, while he was asking me post oil drop if there had been a way to capitalize on that). Almost everyone is up for talking for 6 minutes, except if already talking to their buddies or if making some calls. It's not the deeper level stuff you can get with people you know, but it can still be fun and check off my socializing for the day. I'm sure there is no one perfect answer. But at least occasionally hearing from people with other viewpoints or circumstances might be one of them. And sometimes that is the tough thing here, that at least with Apple and AAPL we are more aligned in our thoughts than not, which could be a problem. As much as many troll type comments on other sites might seem completely uneducated, it at least makes me think a tiny bit about other mindsets or possibilities.
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