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Post by CdnPhoto on Dec 19, 2023 5:32:59 GMT -8
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Post by chinacat on Dec 19, 2023 7:06:29 GMT -8
200 has been a hard nut to crack. Will it happen before year end, or will it require another earnings report?
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Post by CdnPhoto on Dec 19, 2023 7:22:34 GMT -8
200 has been a hard nut to crack. Will it happen before year end, or will it require another earnings report? I think we'll tap, but break through the $200 mark. My thoughts are that retail investors are thinking "I'll sell at $200"
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Post by Ted on Dec 19, 2023 7:27:16 GMT -8
Horace as a rumor monger? mastodon.social/@asymco/111602540117480102“Rumor: Apple is readying hearing aid functionality and plans to release that feature later next year. Apple believes its take on the hearing aid has the potential to upend a multibillion-dollar industry“
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Post by mark on Dec 19, 2023 7:55:41 GMT -8
Horace as a rumor monger? mastodon.social/@asymco/111602540117480102“Rumor: Apple is readying hearing aid functionality and plans to release that feature later next year. Apple believes its take on the hearing aid has the potential to upend a multibillion-dollar industry“ Hearing Aids are a HUGE ripoff right now, and there are tons of folks out there profiting greatly from that massive ripoff. My dad has tried all sorts of Hearing Aids, priced from $1500 to $14,000, and they all have various issues that are mostly software related, and sometimes design related, and sometimes both. Because of all the issues, he hardly uses them, as they are more an annoyance than a help. And he really tried, he used all the features of the fancy ones, including having the smartphone determine location (at a lecture? In a restaurant? At home? In the car moving? etc) and then send the proper "equalizer" (not really, but analogous) curve to the devices to amplify differently in different scenarios. There is a new kind of device out that uses a powerful DSP to process sounds coming in and breaks them down into separate "streams" and will amplify the "main" one (like a roomful of people making background noise with one person nearby speaking to you). That has promise. I suspect that Apple could do something similar, and likely (VERY likely) with far better software.
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Post by Ted on Dec 19, 2023 8:48:13 GMT -8
Insightful! /s finance.yahoo.com/video/magnificent-seven-continue-dominate-2024-152008919.html?.tsrc=rss". . . can the Magnificent Seven continue with their positive streak? Jeff Schulze, Head of Economic and Market Strategy at ClearBridge Investments, joins Yahoo Finance to give his perspective on the market and how he sees those stocks continuing to perform into next year.
Says Schulze: "There's a lot of optimism that's priced into these stocks at the moment and I think although they may move up in an absolute basis, on a relative basis, if we do have a soft landing, I think that money is going to move into those areas that have seen the relative performance that we've seen from an outperformance perspective over the last month, so I think the catalysts are still there, but I think it's going to be more of a stock picker's market in 2024 than what we've seen this year."
Say what? So... yes and no, but, selectively, definitely maybe!
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Post by Dave on Dec 19, 2023 8:59:40 GMT -8
Insightful! /s finance.yahoo.com/video/magnificent-seven-continue-dominate-2024-152008919.html?.tsrc=rss". . . can the Magnificent Seven continue with their positive streak? Jeff Schulze, Head of Economic and Market Strategy at ClearBridge Investments, joins Yahoo Finance to give his perspective on the market and how he sees those stocks continuing to perform into next year.
Says Schulze: "There's a lot of optimism that's priced into these stocks at the moment and I think although they may move up in an absolute basis, on a relative basis, if we do have a soft landing, I think that money is going to move into those areas that have seen the relative performance that we've seen from an outperformance perspective over the last month, so I think the catalysts are still there, but I think it's going to be more of a stock picker's market in 2024 than what we've seen this year."
Say what? So... yes and no, but, selectively, definitely maybe! Sounds like he’s covering all of the bases. Classic analyst speak.
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Post by duckpins on Dec 19, 2023 9:17:27 GMT -8
Horace as a rumor monger? mastodon.social/@asymco/111602540117480102“Rumor: Apple is readying hearing aid functionality and plans to release that feature later next year. Apple believes its take on the hearing aid has the potential to upend a multibillion-dollar industry“ It's about time.
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Post by duckpins on Dec 19, 2023 9:20:06 GMT -8
" Hearing Aids are a HUGE ripoff right now, and there are tons of folks out there profiting greatly from that massive ripoff. My dad has tried all sorts of Hearing Aids, priced from $1500 to $14,000, and they all have various issues that are mostly software related, and sometimes design related, and sometimes both. Because of all the issues, he hardly uses them, as they are more an annoyance than a help."
Bad hardware and bad pseudo software. Hearing aids sound like old AM radio. If you get migraines look out. The hissing ugly undertones don't just bother you they cause headaches. This gap from what Apple could do to the hearing aid is larger than the iPhone gap with the crappy software from Nokia and Verizon. Apple could sell a good product for 5000 and it would fly off the shelves.
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Post by 4aapl on Dec 19, 2023 10:25:41 GMT -8
It was interesting to read what Bill Gates thought about AI and how soon it will be useful to many, along with a great use related to one of his focuses. Bill Gates: Why I’m optimistic about the future of AIBut I while I had heard of fake info from AI, I hadn't realized it was this big of a problem: Unrelated, it seems like 2 important areas for gains from AI are times where an extreme amount of info is needed about a certain subject (ie subject matter expert), or the opposite where gains can be had by knowing a good amount about a very broad number of topics (generalist, or polymath). At science fairs for elementary school kids I always enjoyed finding great comparisons that they could understand, like that the shape of the volcano cone varying the type of eruption was similar to spraying water by putting your thumb over the end of a hose. Of the 100+ kids I talked to that day, all but 2 had done that. But those 2 had done it with a faucet. One aspect of AI would be finding some of these similarities or connections, as one might do after learning of the fibonacci sequence and suddenly seeing it in real life in many things. As for the hallucinations, the first step is likely to follow the motto an ethical hacker we know likes to repeat, of "Trust, but verify". Kids, remember to proof read the essay that AI created for you.
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Post by mark on Dec 19, 2023 10:56:13 GMT -8
" Hearing Aids are a HUGE ripoff right now, and there are tons of folks out there profiting greatly from that massive ripoff. My dad has tried all sorts of Hearing Aids, priced from $1500 to $14,000, and they all have various issues that are mostly software related, and sometimes design related, and sometimes both. Because of all the issues, he hardly uses them, as they are more an annoyance than a help." Bad hardware and bad pseudo software. Hearing aids sound like old AM radio. If you get migraines look out. The hissing ugly undertones don't just bother you they cause headaches. This gap from what Apple could do to the hearing aid is larger than the iPhone gap with the crappy software from Nokia and Verizon. Apple could sell a good product for 5000 and it would fly off the shelves.Now this is the amazing thing. From my engineering perspective, it doesn't need to be anywhere near $5000 for this capability. Something like $400-500 for basic capability and perhaps $700-800 for the best possible capability would be sufficient. Maybe ultra-miniaturization might go up to $1000 or even $1500.
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Post by duckpins on Dec 19, 2023 11:17:55 GMT -8
Now this is the amazing thing. From my engineering perspective, it doesn't need to be anywhere near $5000 for this capability. Something like $400-500 for basic capability and perhaps $700-800 for the best possible capability would be sufficient. Maybe ultra-miniaturization might go up to $1000 or even $1500.
Can't say./ But from the consumer point of view, I'd pay anything to get a beats ear phone that flips between being a hearing aid and a head phone.
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Dave
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Post by Dave on Dec 19, 2023 11:56:49 GMT -8
Now this is the amazing thing. From my engineering perspective, it doesn't need to be anywhere near $5000 for this capability. Something like $400-500 for basic capability and perhaps $700-800 for the best possible capability would be sufficient. Maybe ultra-miniaturization might go up to $1000 or even $1500. Can't say./ But from the consumer point of view, I'd pay anything to get a beats ear phone that flips between being a hearing aid and a head phone. Yes, a hearing aid that truly aids ones hearing that can equally provide the benefits of noise cancelation. Doubling also as headphones so that you can listen to your music or your television. And if coupled to Apples Vision Pro could possibly provide vision correction. All controlled by eye movement. Maybe not as farfetched as it seems. I would say that it would be easier than designing a car, and more profitable.
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Post by 4aapl on Dec 19, 2023 12:01:00 GMT -8
Now this is the amazing thing. From my engineering perspective, it doesn't need to be anywhere near $5000 for this capability. Something like $400-500 for basic capability and perhaps $700-800 for the best possible capability would be sufficient. Maybe ultra-miniaturization might go up to $1000 or even $1500. Can't say./ But from the consumer point of view, I'd pay anything to get a beats ear phone that flips between being a hearing aid and a head phone. The problem here is that your "anything" level is likely different (more) than the average or even higher level mass market "anything" level, all while not taking into account the health insurance "anything" level. One question is if Apple was going to enter this market, would they come in from the lower level like they did with AirPods (later adding the Pro level), or come in with the high end model like it appears they are doing with the Vision Pro? Apple has a lot of experience with noise canceling. But given the hearing aid troubles of an in-law and the former neighbor, even with high end models, I imagine a hard part is the last tough 5%, especially with multiple noise sources and limited microphone locations. A host of other things are tough too, and I'm sure Apple feels they have an advantage if they decide to go into the market, but it is a little easy to trivialize some of the challenges. It sure seems like a market that Apple would be set up to do well in based on their current products, and that there is a need for an improved product or even a hybrid product. While integration into the Vision Pro doesn't offhand seem ideal, possible microphone positioning options in a hybrid over the ear headphone setup could give the setup Duckpins mentions, while giving an advantage that most hearing aids that focus on minimizing sizing just don't have. Maybe that would be the Pro+ level.
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Post by CdnPhoto on Dec 19, 2023 12:07:26 GMT -8
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