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Post by CdnPhoto on Jan 22, 2024 4:45:13 GMT -8
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Post by CdnPhoto on Jan 22, 2024 4:48:26 GMT -8
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Post by chinacat on Jan 22, 2024 6:42:20 GMT -8
PED has Some 250 3rd party native Apple Vision Pro apps submitted as of Sunday. I found it interesting that “Microsoft will offer a variety of native visionOS apps at launch, such as Excel, PowerPoint, Word, and Teams, based on App Store marketing images shared by developer Steve Troughton-Smith on Mastodon and @m1astra on X/Twitter. Additional images show native apps for Crunchyroll, J.Crew, LEGO Builder's Journey, Lowe's, and others...”
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Post by CdnPhoto on Jan 22, 2024 9:08:57 GMT -8
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Post by 4aapl on Jan 22, 2024 11:16:01 GMT -8
There's some good new TV commercials out there. An Apple Vision Pro one, that we saw at least 3 times over watching some weekend football, has all sorts of movie clips with people putting on glasses. Looks like that is the current push, of trying to show that putting on glasses or a headgear is fine. But I got a kick out of one of the iPhone commercials, maybe from AT&T, with the kid driver leaving in her old honda accord, looking a little sketchy, and the dad being relieved when he got an automatic notice from the iPhone that she made it to school. My son has had his license over 6 months now, but we got a sloppy 2 inches of wet snow at our elevation, and there was a subaru in the snow bank at a corner when I left this morning. In some of these conditions I'm relieved when driving past that there isn't a huge pileup at the high school. Anyways, I can relate. Nice to see AAPL up today. Kuo is guessing at Apple having sold 160-180k AVP units already. finance.yahoo.com/video/apples-vision-pro-preorders-estimated-180043098.htmlAnother article with a bit more from him, over on market watch and listed on the stock app, has that he is worried about ongoing sales since the ship times haven't moved out more. Apple does seem to be doing an interesting thing right now, with in store pickups and deliveries. I'm wondering if they made more slots for pickup (ask people to work more, assign more people to those tasks, or even incentivize it by giving time and a half for extra hours that first week and having some pre and post normal hours, just for pickup? I'm sure Apple is thinking about this sort of thing). And on the delivery times, maybe they have enough flux in the system to ramp up production over that timeframe, or shift in-store inventory or 3rd party inventory. Or maybe it is to delay the release in other countries. But if it is any of those, and not just fewer than expected orders, it sure makes guessing at how many units Apple is selling tougher to do. Interestingly, all 3 levels are available for pickup on Feb 2nd at the Reno store now. I haven't seen any availability of the 256 gig model since it initially sold out, including 2 hours ago. Even though it doesn't matter much, it would sometimes be fun to be a fly on the wall.
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Post by CdnPhoto on Jan 22, 2024 11:27:46 GMT -8
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Post by Luckychoices on Jan 22, 2024 13:57:55 GMT -8
Comparing AAPL to a few others...today was a good day for AAPL.
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Post by benoir on Jan 22, 2024 16:27:08 GMT -8
It was a good day for AAPL. Is this on the back of strong Vision sales? (EDIT now that I read through this thread I see CdnPhoto suggested this)
Must admit I have always been a fence sitter when it comes to generation 1 products. But having recently used the Meh Meta product( and being reasonably impressed apart from the latency and resolution) and then seeing what the Vision Pro can do I may well be persuaded to jump in.
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Post by 4aapl on Jan 22, 2024 21:10:57 GMT -8
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Post by Dave on Jan 23, 2024 2:01:45 GMT -8
I like one of the comments from the ring article, “One ring to rule them all.” I think that I’ve heard that somewhere before. But why not make a computerized ring, it wasn’t that long ago that computerized running shoes were marketed.
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Post by 4aapl on Jan 23, 2024 8:55:07 GMT -8
I like one of the comments from the ring article, “One ring to rule them all.” I think that I’ve heard that somewhere before. But why not make a computerized ring, it wasn’t that long ago that computerized running shoes were marketed. What do you mean by "computerized ring". What would it do and what features would it have? I think one of the health ring options from another company a few years back was a stand along product, basically just trying to convey to you if you'd "filled your rings" that day. I like the concept of the Watch's "fill your rings". But I probably need to tweak the settings a little. Standing up barely seems like it should be a ring. And it seems like general activity doesn't count unless I track it. Often I get 10k of steps just walking around the house or yard, but while they are activities I wouldn't record each time I ran a tool to the garage. But it was cool yesterday to see my HR while skiing. Coming from the endurance athlete side of things, I don't think much of the athletic portion of downhill skiing for most users, where gravity does most of the work. But in only doing 3 runs yesterday in 3 inches of new but thick snow, and sloppy down lower, my HR was getting up to the 85% range each run. That was interesting to me, though I was breaking a sweat to get there. It seems like the 3 general things the Apple Watch has going for it are sensors (mainly health, but GPS too), a quick way to check on things instead of pulling out your iPhone (messages, notifications, health, stock quotes, etc), and a way to do some of the things your iPhone would do even if you don't have it with you (Phone calls and data if you have a carrier for it, but health and tracking even without it. Many sports like running and swimming it is handy to not have a full phone with you). A ring could take care of that first swath of things, and also the non-carrier things in the last swath (basically activity tracking. A GPS would make it better, though that might be too much of an ask. But even general timing and movement would be helpful). Just thinking and wishing, while remembering that it's best for Apple to focus on things it thinks are important and it can do well.
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Post by Dave on Jan 23, 2024 10:57:08 GMT -8
I like one of the comments from the ring article, “One ring to rule them all.” I think that I’ve heard that somewhere before. But why not make a computerized ring, it wasn’t that long ago that computerized running shoes were marketed. Let me rephrase that last sentence. The computerized running shoes were failures, if for no other reason than the Apple watch and FitBit did a better job and makes much more sense. And because the running shoes were a failure I also think that the ring would be a failure. Unless it is necessaity for some other future function on the AVP. Then it will have a purpose. But I'm just guessing. And if Apple really wanted to add a product that is necessary, for almost all of their product lines, it would be to reintroduce the Airport.
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Post by 4aapl on Jan 23, 2024 11:11:43 GMT -8
Let me rephrase that last sentence. The computerized running shoes were failures, if for no other reason than the Apple watch and FitBit did a better job and makes much more sense. And because the running shoes were a failure I also think that the ring would be a failure. Unless it is necessaity for some other future function on the AVP. Then it will have a purpose. But I'm just guessing. And if Apple really wanted to add a product that is necessary, for almost all of their product lines, it would be to reintroduce the Airport. Following that line would have them start making printers again too. A new Airport could make sense if it was also a home hub, for data storage and sharing or for automation/cameras/home devices. Possibly even for an extra CPU boost for quick AI functionality, keeping requests "on site" but giving more power than whatever device you are asking (like the Watch). But if just a wireless base station, what competitive advantage would an Apple version provide? There's some space there. For instance, setting up wireless devices (for us, thermostat, camera, printer, stereo) can be a bit of a pain, with them each having a different system. And if you change the network name or password, now you have to figure out how to set up those things again. There are supposed to be ways to make it easy, but with each device having a different "easy way", it's not so easy. It seem like Apple could manage to make things better there. But that might just be to put an option or standard out there, instead of making a wireless router to do the same thing. There are times I wish Apple did a lot more than they do, since it seems like so many things could use the improvement of someone sitting down to make things easier and have a better interface. But they can't do it all, and spreading themselves thin would likely lower the time they had to work on the things that currently matter most.
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Post by mark on Jan 28, 2024 14:32:44 GMT -8
But if just a wireless base station, what competitive advantage would an Apple version provide? This is a very important point. Apple would only do such a product if theirs can be better, substantially better, than the others. Usually "better" in the consumer context is basically "it just works". But in my experience, other routers have gotten much better. I have a Google Mesh router and it really "just works". Trust me, I was shocked, but it really just works. In fact, I have never had to reboot them since the day I installed them about two years ago. And they pretty much self configured and remain self configured, including my wireless printer, and 50+ other devices of various sorts.
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Post by 4aapl on Jan 28, 2024 21:35:14 GMT -8
But if just a wireless base station, what competitive advantage would an Apple version provide? This is a very important point. Apple would only do such a product if theirs can be better, substantially better, than the others. Usually "better" in the consumer context is basically "it just works". But in my experience, other routers have gotten much better. I have a Google Mesh router and it really "just works". Trust me, I was shocked, but it really just works. In fact, I have never had to reboot them since the day I installed them about two years ago. And they pretty much self configured and remain self configured, including my wireless printer, and 50+ other devices of various sorts. Most of the ones we have had over the years have "just worked". That included a few rounds of ones from airlink, a couple tp-link ones, and now one from Tenda. We're semi-rural, so our internet connection has never been that speedy, so it isn't hard for a router to keep up. But the tp-link ones would seem to reboot occasionally, possibly from overheating. I have a feeling that the Wyze cameras are the problem. But, we did have a problem with a Netgear one. We went on vacation for 2 weeks, but there was a power outage right after we left. Apparently when the router came back online, it reset itself to the defaults, killing our internet connection. The cameras and thermostat couldn't work remotely, which was a little bit of a pain. But we had a friend that was staying at our place and taking care of the pets, and we didn't have any luck diagnosing the problem while we were away. I was guessing something was fried. In doing an internet search, it seems like people sometimes have this problem with Netgear routers when there is a power issue. It doesn't sound like it is limited to a certain firmware or router type. The only full workaround is to put it on a battery backup. I just decided I couldn't trust it, and switched. Aside from this Netgear problem (if using netgear and not having a problem, great. If looking for a router to buy, I'd suggest staying away), I don't think I've ever had a big problem with a router. In 26 years having one or more, and never using an Apple one at home, they really just worked.
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Post by mark on Jan 29, 2024 6:57:32 GMT -8
This is a very important point. Apple would only do such a product if theirs can be better, substantially better, than the others. Usually "better" in the consumer context is basically "it just works". But in my experience, other routers have gotten much better. I have a Google Mesh router and it really "just works". Trust me, I was shocked, but it really just works. In fact, I have never had to reboot them since the day I installed them about two years ago. And they pretty much self configured and remain self configured, including my wireless printer, and 50+ other devices of various sorts. Most of the ones we have had over the years have "just worked". That included a few rounds of ones from airlink, a couple tp-link ones, and now one from Tenda. We're semi-rural, so our internet connection has never been that speedy, so it isn't hard for a router to keep up. But the tp-link ones would seem to reboot occasionally, possibly from overheating. I have a feeling that the Wyze cameras are the problem. But, we did have a problem with a Netgear one. We went on vacation for 2 weeks, but there was a power outage right after we left. Apparently when the router came back online, it reset itself to the defaults, killing our internet connection. The cameras and thermostat couldn't work remotely, which was a little bit of a pain. But we had a friend that was staying at our place and taking care of the pets, and we didn't have any luck diagnosing the problem while we were away. I was guessing something was fried. In doing an internet search, it seems like people sometimes have this problem with Netgear routers when there is a power issue. It doesn't sound like it is limited to a certain firmware or router type. The only full workaround is to put it on a battery backup. I just decided I couldn't trust it, and switched. Aside from this Netgear problem (if using netgear and not having a problem, great. If looking for a router to buy, I'd suggest staying away), I don't think I've ever had a big problem with a router. In 26 years having one or more, and never using an Apple one at home, they really just worked. I had a Netgear router a decade or two ago, and while it worked fine most of the time, sometimes it required attention. And for an "appliance" that you need working 24/7, "attention" is a negative attribute. Then for about a decade, I used a router/cellVOIP device that T-Mobile provided to me and was manufactured by Asus. It worked admirably for quite a long time. But then when I purchased a car that required internet access, the car simply couldn't get a good link with that single location router (my engineering analysis determined that the cause was the weak antenna in the car, not the router), so I switched to a mesh router from Google with one of the nodes on the windowsill closest to the driveway. My current cable modem is a Netgear, and it works quite admirably, no issues at all since installation. It's a pretty good one and can support any speed they used a few years ago when I purchased it, and any speed they use now, and probably any speed they will use for the next 5 years or so (up to 1 Gbps). I have a TP-Link switch to provide extra wired ethernet connections (for 4 wired devices near the TV in the family room), but a switch is a generally passive and simple device, so it always "just works".
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