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Post by aapl on Mar 18, 2024 2:42:52 GMT -8
AAPL being up in the premarkets might be due to a report Apple is in talks with Google to license Gemini for iPhones: $173.72 +$1.10 (+0.64%).
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Post by Tan on Mar 18, 2024 5:23:20 GMT -8
Much discussion about the Apple / China interaction and possible adverse implications. I thought it would be interesting to re-post this from the Apple site itself about the extent that AAPL has tried to integrate into China.
Apple in China
For more than 30 years, Apple has been innovating and delivering the best products and services for customers in China, and supports more than 5 million jobs through direct employment, its supply chain, and the iOS app economy. Since the first Apple Store opened in China in 2008 with Apple Sanlitun, Apple Retail has constantly innovated to meet customers where they are, provide the best shopping experience both in stores and online, and deepen connections with local communities.
Today, Apple has 57 stores in Greater China, with thousands of team members delivering exceptional service and creating magical experiences for customers. Last year, Apple opened Apple MixC Shenzhen, the second store in the vibrant city, as well as Apple MixC Wenzhou, the first store in the coastal city. Apple Jing’an marks Apple’s eighth store in Shanghai. In addition to shopping directly with Apple Retail, customers in China have even more places to discover and buy Apple products, get expert support, and more on the Apple Store online.
The team at Apple Jing’an will welcome its first customers on Thursday, March 21, at 7 p.m.
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Dave
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Post by Dave on Mar 18, 2024 5:45:29 GMT -8
Much discussion about the Apple / China interaction and possible adverse implications. I thought it would be interesting to re-post this from the Apple site itself about the extent that AAPL has tried to integrate into China. Apple in China For more than 30 years, Apple has been innovating and delivering the best products and services for customers in China, and supports more than 5 million jobs through direct employment, its supply chain, and the iOS app economy. Since the first Apple Store opened in China in 2008 with Apple Sanlitun, Apple Retail has constantly innovated to meet customers where they are, provide the best shopping experience both in stores and online, and deepen connections with local communities. Today, Apple has 57 stores in Greater China, with thousands of team members delivering exceptional service and creating magical experiences for customers. Last year, Apple opened Apple MixC Shenzhen, the second store in the vibrant city, as well as Apple MixC Wenzhou, the first store in the coastal city. Apple Jing’an marks Apple’s eighth store in Shanghai. In addition to shopping directly with Apple Retail, customers in China have even more places to discover and buy Apple products, get expert support, and more on the Apple Store online. The team at Apple Jing’an will welcome its first customers on Thursday, March 21, at 7 p.m. The China of 30 years ago is very different than the China of today. Perhaps a trip to The Dungeon on the home page of this site may provide some insight.
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Dave
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Post by Dave on Mar 18, 2024 5:50:08 GMT -8
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Post by Dave on Mar 18, 2024 5:54:33 GMT -8
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Post by Lstream on Mar 18, 2024 6:10:43 GMT -8
The LAST place I would send any new member to is the cesspool that was/is the dungeon.
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Dave
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Post by Dave on Mar 18, 2024 6:54:47 GMT -8
The LAST place I would send any new member to is the cesspool that was/is the dungeon. Then any suggestions?
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Post by 4aapl on Mar 18, 2024 8:06:34 GMT -8
The China of 30 years ago is very different than the China of today. The funny thing was that my first read of this sentence was that you were saying they were so much better today, being more open and doing more trade with other countries. But in retrospect, based on your views on them I'm pretty sure that's not what you meant. And today is so much different than 30 years ago, across the board. Even without tight specifics, the cold war had just ended, and we have this whole internet thing that has now been a way of life for many, making communication on a wide scale across the globe happen so much more. I know you have your reservations about China. Not only do they limit information and communication in some areas, but they are a whole different country with a whole different baseline and set of standards. There are things that they do (forced covid lockdowns) that you don't agree with even if they were potentially overall positive (fewer deaths). There are things that the US does that people in other countries can see so clearly as wrong. But then there is Google, our "Don't be evil" company that still manages to be evil. In some ways. Whereas in others they are the provider of so much information that they are the verb of choice. I might Search for something, but many say "I Google something", and few would bother extending it out to "I did an online search with Duck Duck Go". For Apple users, the main evil that Google has done is to copy many things from the iPhone and iOS, and to do targeted ads for people based on their searches and even email. SJ was really pissed about this. But Apple still has an agreement with Google to have them as the primary search engine choice (though that is changing in some places due to the governmental orders), Google gives Apple quite a bit of income through these deals or ad revenue, and now there is this AI engine deal. Samsung is in a similar position, being both a friend and a foe. Same with Microsoft. Intel. Adobe? Qualcomm! Facebook! Maybe in total it's a cautionary tale of "be careful, these guys have done some evil things". And truthfully, the same thing is probably said about Apple, since "evil" viewpoints vary depending on where you sit. Places like Apple and Costco are said to use their volume as leverage to knock down prices, which at least some vendors say they are not happy with even if it ends up being good for their bottom line.
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Post by aapl on Mar 18, 2024 9:18:00 GMT -8
DED's weekly post takes aim at the 'Apple is way behind on AI' doubters - Link
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Post by 4aapl on Mar 18, 2024 10:15:01 GMT -8
DED's weekly post takes aim at the 'Apple is way behind on AI' doubters - LinkWow, that's quite a rant there in the middle. Some of the stuff he is so bugged by makes perfect sense, if you compare it to differing sports teams or cars or whatnot. And then the first comment hit on it all being about the page views, where it only makes sense to complain about the big ones with the largest followings, and whether the article is for or against a company, if it does so in a big way it gets the page views. I enjoy the thought experiment over the "Calvin pissing on Ford" or Chevy or Ram (yet to see one for Toyota). Those drivers feel fired up enough to put that sticker on the back window of their truck. And yet when someone is not even in the truck world, it's questionable to why there is this strong of a feeling, not even talking up their own brand but trying to trash talk the competition. Even now that we have a ford truck I have a hard time understanding this, though it looks like there is a plethora of you-tube videos if I really wanted to know. But I think it all comes back to making a big (expensive) investment in something, and possibly having had a big (expensive) mistake in the past. And by trashing the competition, it helps you feel better about the choice you made. There's positives and negatives to everything. We tend to think that Apple pushes that line, giving many more positives and mostly negating the negatives, but not everyone shares that viewpoint. But he pulled back a lot of that angst in the last section, bringing it all together while including things like this: He goes on with more examples, and from my position I agree. Apple is the one I would want to go with. But I see the value in the other options, whether it is at a lower price point, or to throw more stuff and ideas out there that aren't fully baked, but seeing what consumers like and what has value.
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Post by Tan on Mar 18, 2024 11:23:14 GMT -8
Hardly a *new* member, daily reader, ultra conservative, so recognizing the general tone towards such as somewhat out of synch with the majority I browse for ideas not looking to upset any applecarts.
NOTE: My Date Registered: Sep 18, 2012
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Post by duckpins on Mar 18, 2024 11:48:15 GMT -8
Sep 18, 2012
That was right after the peak at about 700 and the start of the decline to about 350. Dark winds.
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Post by Luckychoices on Mar 18, 2024 14:58:29 GMT -8
Sep 18, 2012 That was right after the peak at about 700 and the start of the decline to about 350. Dark winds.And on to the 7-1 split on 06/09/14, less than 2 years later...*nice* winds.
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