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Post by Zeke on Jun 2, 2014 11:35:51 GMT -8
Swift is amazing. Apple now has it's own programming language. That's huge. Respectfully to my friends here, for the love of the Baby Jesus, can we now and forever ban on this forum any future contribution to the false expectations of big hardware releases at these events? It makes us look as cluetarded as the rest of the babblesphere. The purpose of WWDC is not to wow WS with shiny objects. It is to court outside developers to make awesome applications and apps for a company they do not work for. It really is amazing how shallow the analysis is out there. Whether it is Beats or Swift, whose contributions will be complex and implemented over months and years, the fruit flies can't possibly process and comprehend anything that isn't a solid, blingy piece of hardware, ready to be shipped today. WWDC is amazing. It's too bad 99% of commentators can't possibly understand how important developer support is to every Mac and iOS user on the planet, and how much it differentiates Apple from those other loser companies. 3 months to iOS 8... Amen! And plus 10,000, JD! Swift and Metal have just doomed Xbox and all other game consoles, and probably Nintendo too. "Hey, Siri! Get ready for bed" is exactly where Apple needs to be going. The utility industry and the PUC regulators are going to make this kind of technology mandatory, if not by statute then by pricing structures. They desperately want smart metering and smart appliances. This WWDC was aimed at developers and that's exactly who will be excited. Did you hear the cheers for Swift? I've written C code and this makes coding a whole new ballgame. And the Metal GPU interface is amazing. Nobody on Wall Street is going to appreciate the possibilities, but the results will arrive somewhere down the road and they will be amazed.
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Post by rob_london on Jun 2, 2014 11:39:31 GMT -8
Immediately after watching the WWDC presentation (flawless as always), I switched on the UK evening news and the lead story was a report about a group of Russian cyber criminals (the GameOver Zeus Crew), responsible for hacking into PCs running Windows, stealing half a billion pounds and blackmailing victims.
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Post by dmiller on Jun 2, 2014 11:40:22 GMT -8
Nobody expected a new programming language, especially not at this point, when everyone believes that programming languages are mature. Jaws hit the floor.
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Post by Red Shirted Ensign on Jun 2, 2014 11:50:03 GMT -8
Swift is amazing. Apple now has it's own programming language. That's huge. Respectfully to my friends here, for the love of the Baby Jesus, can we now and forever ban on this forum any future contribution to the false expectations of big hardware releases at these events? It makes us look as cluetarded as the rest of the babblesphere. The purpose of WWDC is not to wow WS with shiny objects. It is to court outside developers to make awesome applications and apps for a company they do not work for. It really is amazing how shallow the analysis is out there. Whether it is Beats or Swift, whose contributions will be complex and implemented over months and years, the fruit flies can't possibly process and comprehend anything that isn't a solid, blingy piece of hardware, ready to be shipped today. WWDC is amazing. It's too bad 99% of commentators can't possibly understand how important developer support is to every Mac and iOS user on the planet, and how much it differentiates Apple from those other loser companies. 3 months to iOS 8... Best thing you've posted in months, JD. Absolutely spot on. This event today was an enormous game changer. Brains, money and talent are going to be flowing to the Apple Ecosystem, which will run seamlessly on all kinds of devices, doing all kinds of amazing things.....just give it a little time for the seeds to grow and bear fruit. Since the new language is ready...like, now......when iOS 8 launches we are going to have a blizzard of super new and updated applications right behind, or in conjunction. Wall Street is still looking for the device. The device is everywhere and everything. My 623 bid filled....happy about that. And it filled right around....2:14
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Post by rob_london on Jun 2, 2014 11:51:00 GMT -8
Craig Federighi is an excellent presenter, smooth and funny. Tim is wise to give him such a large part of the presentation. Yes, he was extremely relaxed and seemed to be genuinely enjoying the experience up on stage. The whole two hour show seemed to go without a hitch. Samsung in their last presentation couldn't even manage to start on schedule.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 2, 2014 11:53:22 GMT -8
This was the first WWDC I remember without hardware, so it wasn't unreasonable to expect it. In one respect, I'm glad Apple did not announce any so we WON'T be encouraged to speculate next year, in no small part to Jim Dalrymple suggesting there would be hardware.
Now we know why Tim Cook timed the split as he did, to provide ballast to AAPL in the absence of something sexy WS can assimilate.
The software and upgrades are powerful additions to Apple's upside, even if that's not immediately apparent to the cognoscenti today.
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Post by rob_london on Jun 2, 2014 11:54:59 GMT -8
Idly wondering what material the new OS X trash can is now supposed to be made of... metal mesh ditched in favour of white ceramic?
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Post by Red Shirted Ensign on Jun 2, 2014 11:56:43 GMT -8
Idly wondering what material the new OS X trash can is now supposed to be made of... metal mesh ditched in favour of white ceramic? Liquid metal
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Post by rob_london on Jun 2, 2014 12:07:59 GMT -8
Great tweet by Harry McCracken during the keynote:
"If Apple were turned over to an ace team of pundits, analysts & journalists to run, it would be bankrupt by the spring of next year"
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Post by artman1033 on Jun 2, 2014 12:09:53 GMT -8
The beard is now fallible:
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Post by Red Shirted Ensign on Jun 2, 2014 12:14:57 GMT -8
The beard is now fallible: Monday's not over yet......just sayin
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Post by JDSoCal on Jun 2, 2014 12:16:11 GMT -8
In one respect, I'm glad Apple did not announce any so we WON'T be encouraged to speculate next year, in no small part to Jim Dalrymple suggesting there would be hardware. Indeed. Today should put the kibosh on such speculation in the future. I really need to get off my ass and start a blog. I mean, if Mav can do it, how hard can it be? I'm not sure if that is true, or just a lovely coincidence, but I am glad it happened, and that we were only down $5 by close. I was sorry to see even PED attribute AAPL's recent rise to anticipation of WWDC, which, for WS, is like a monkey looking at a Ferris wheel. I never got around to creating a LiveFyre account to disagree with that contention. I truly believe the split - in addition to the last earnings release, the buyback, the divy increase - is what is driving this recent bump. And of course, iPhone 6. I've been bellowing for a split for years, and I have already explained why I think it will be huge for the stock: Suddenly, AAPL will look "cheap" to most observers. I didn't BTFD, mostly because I was distracted by the keynote. I think, with the huge call wall at 625, we might have until Fri. But I, for one, am looking for a pop on Monday like Kim Kardashian sitting on a balloon. After a porcipine shot quills into her butt. Because she has a very large butt, and would likely pop balloons easily. Especially with quills sticking out of it. Although it is unlikely she would be siting in such a circumstance.
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Post by Red Shirted Ensign on Jun 2, 2014 12:36:19 GMT -8
I'm glad you explained the logic of your analogy.....Ms. Kardashian's anatomy not being something I am intimately familiar with.
As for Apple, once the people who actually design software explain to Wall Street that all this = $ , things will turn nicely
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Post by firestorm on Jun 2, 2014 12:37:25 GMT -8
In software, it is clear that Apple is continuing to be a leader in innovation. I'm not in the coding business and don't know the first thing about it, but so much of what was presented today seemed so fresh and useful that I'm eager to use the new operating systems. Unfortunately, as a photographer dependent upon a lot of programs working well together, I can't afford to be an early adopter.
For a time during the presentation, it looked like there would be a major selloff, but it recovered nicely from the lows, indicating that there is still a lot of strong upward pressure. I did indeed buy the dip.
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Post by rob_london on Jun 2, 2014 12:52:21 GMT -8
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Post by qualitywte on Jun 2, 2014 13:14:38 GMT -8
Extensibility is a great example of what I was trying to describe in my post yesterday about pipes. Allowing apps to work together opens up a new level of functionality. I think they even used the concept of silos in presenting it. In trying to predict where things are going, one can take the approach of extending what is there, or looking at needs, or even using analogy from other systems. In the case of IOS and the app environment, I think biological systems provide a good analogy, simply because the interactions are too complex to predict analytically. Using this analogy, extensibility should enable the emergence of app clusters in the same way that single celled organisms evolved to multi-celled organisms. This is not a new iDevice, but I think it will have a dramatic effect. Thought about your post from yesterday when they were rolling out the new interactions between apps. Nice call Bud!
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Post by Deleted on Jun 2, 2014 13:25:17 GMT -8
Unless I missed it, I'm filing my request for a spam filter that works on my iPhone. The server-side solution for Macs doesn't help me on the mobile side. Unless someone has a better idea (and no, I'm not going to let creepy Google filter my mail and forward).
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Post by Mav on Jun 2, 2014 13:28:02 GMT -8
Great WWDC.
Now we know that without a trusted news source being definitive, we...err... kinda know what NOT to respect.
Poor Beard btw.
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Post by Red Shirted Ensign on Jun 2, 2014 13:30:30 GMT -8
As always happens, the buried goodies start to leak out of each new iOS release. Writing apps to resizable devices? Battery Life by App? much more is certainly buried within... www.macrumors.com/2014/06/02/xcode6-resizable-iphone-ipad/the resizing issue pretty much eliminates any doubt about a bigger screen Iphone, in my view.... It's coming.
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Post by Lstream on Jun 2, 2014 13:41:53 GMT -8
I was on a plane for most of the keynote. The only way I could keep up as to watch CNBC on the plane. I feel so much more like an idiot now just for watching that drivel. They have some guy with a hair bun that makes the rest of that crowd look like Rhodes scholars. I think I need therapy.
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Post by Red Shirted Ensign on Jun 2, 2014 13:48:49 GMT -8
I was on a plane for most of the keynote. The only way I could keep up as to watch CNBC on the plane. I feel so much more like an idiot now just for watching that drivel. They have some guy with a hair bun that makes the rest of that crowd look like Rhodes scholars. I think I need therapy. guy with a hairbun? They finally let Mav on the show! CNBC is unwatchable on days like this. If you can't make "fast money" off of some failed expectaton of immediate gratification, they go nuts. Bloomberg is usually a bit more intelligent....but such a low bar. Apple just reshaped the way many of us will play games, store our data, work with our health care providers, work between our many devices, operate our homes, share with our families......but that is not enough for CNBC.
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Post by chinacat on Jun 2, 2014 14:01:46 GMT -8
One API extension especially caught my eye, Touch ID integration. Most likely it is just for App Store-based purchases, but I am wondering if this could be a Trojan horse for the more generalized payments system. Any related information from AFB members who are app developers would be welcome.
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Post by phoebear611 on Jun 2, 2014 14:09:56 GMT -8
Ok kids - break it up and allow me to clarify: The idiot with the bun was a professor from Columbia Business School, Moshe Cohen (called the conference "boring")- and - the folks on Fast Money INCLUDING Melissa Lee were positive on AAPL. Lstream must have caught The Closing Bell which normally talks about macro themes and for some God-forsaken reason decided to talk about AAPL today.
By the way - Walt Mossberg argued with Prof Cohen because his (the Professor's) definition of "boring" was that AAPL didn't introduce any hardware at all. Walt's response was that he could not disagree more with Prof. Cohen. Walt said this was a software conference and AAPL does not introduce hardware typically at these conferences nor was he expecting them to....and Walt reiterated, "I could not disagree with you more!" Gotta love Walt.
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Post by Lstream on Jun 2, 2014 14:26:46 GMT -8
Ok kids - break it up and allow me to clarify: The idiot with the bun was a professor from Columbia Business School, Moshe Cohen (called the conference "boring")- and - the folks on Fast Money INCLUDING Melissa Lee were positive on AAPL. Lstream must have caught The Closing Bell which normally talks about macro themes and for some God-forsaken reason decided to talk about AAPL today. By the way - Walt Mossberg argued with Prof Cohen because his (the Professor's) definition of "boring" was that AAPL didn't introduce any hardware at all. Walt's response was that he could not disagree more with Prof. Cohen. Walt said this was a software conference and AAPL does not introduce hardware typically at these conferences nor was he expecting them to....and Walt reiterated, "I could not disagree with you more!" Gotta love Walt. I don't care where he teaches. He went out of his way to come across as a controversial airhead buffoon. He succeeded.
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Post by Mav on Jun 2, 2014 14:32:19 GMT -8
As long as Federighi can back up his presentation style with continued iOS/OS X progress like this - I may end up liking him as VP Software more than Forstall.
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Post by ericinaustin on Jun 2, 2014 14:38:07 GMT -8
I was a bit surprised no hardware was introduced but that being said, I totally agree with JD and his comments.
This 2 hours was apple enlarging the whole footprint of their ecosystem to prepare the field for new hardware to come and in that since was very exciting . Amazing things brought out to make the ecosystem more essential for the customer and more enticing to the developer.
I do wish though that apple would lighten up on the secrecy just enough to manage expectations a bit better. They could have said at some point in the past that there would be no hardware at the developers conference. That doesn't give anything away and would have kept the focus on software even more. Managing expectations doesn't have a disadvantage if done well.
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Post by appleaddict on Jun 2, 2014 14:44:00 GMT -8
Ok kids - break it up and allow me to clarify: The idiot with the bun was a professor from Columbia Business School, Moshe Cohen (called the conference "boring")- and - the folks on Fast Money INCLUDING Melissa Lee were positive on AAPL. Lstream must have caught The Closing Bell which normally talks about macro themes and for some God-forsaken reason decided to talk about AAPL today. By the way - Walt Mossberg argued with Prof Cohen because his (the Professor's) definition of "boring" was that AAPL didn't introduce any hardware at all. Walt's response was that he could not disagree more with Prof. Cohen. Walt said this was a software conference and AAPL does not introduce hardware typically at these conferences nor was he expecting them to....and Walt reiterated, "I could not disagree with you more!" Gotta love Walt. I don't care where he teaches. He went out of his way to come across as a controversial airhead buffoon. He succeeded. I think he's the same idiot they had on for earnings day in April. Totally nonsensical then too; just trying to get his name in lights.
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Post by redinaustin on Jun 2, 2014 15:27:05 GMT -8
Looks likr The Beard is still solid. The post in qyestion was written by Shawn King:
A Decade’s worth of WWDC Keynotes Posted on Sunday, June 1st, 2014 at 8:18 am. PT Written by Shawn King
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Post by Red Shirted Ensign on Jun 2, 2014 15:34:54 GMT -8
Looks likr The Beard is still solid. The post in qyestion was written by Shawn King: A Decade’s worth of WWDC Keynotes Posted on Sunday, June 1st, 2014 at 8:18 am. PT Written by Shawn King I agree with my counterpart Red....there was also no tweet from Dalrymple yesterday on this point, and no tweet promoting the statement made on the Loop by Shawn King. I remember when I first heard about the hardware/software statement I first turned to twitter to find some reference by Mr. Dalrymple to the statement he would have made on his website..but there was no "yup", "nope" or even a reference ot the posting....nada. Seemed curious at the time, as JD, like most pundits, tweets about their postings....
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Post by Mav on Jun 2, 2014 15:40:35 GMT -8
Beard's record unblemished then. I stand corrected.
Not sure why The Loop doesn't put out author info in the home page.
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