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Post by Deleted on Mar 17, 2013 13:34:37 GMT -8
I don't see an announcement this week. April earnings at the earliest. Otherwise it will happen in July. Last year it was special since they were starting. This year it is a simple increase that will happen every 12 months. August was when it started and that is when the change will take place. Apple needs to make this decision very carefully and take their time. There is no hurry regardless of the stock price. If they wanted to help the stock they should have done it January. Waiting for April earnings to announce might be a good idea. Its only 4-5 weeks away.
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Post by Mav on Mar 17, 2013 13:43:39 GMT -8
If not today, then maybe earnings, sure.
But if earnings...a not so positive guess comes to mind...
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Post by artman1033 on Mar 17, 2013 13:47:33 GMT -8
May it not claim AAPL. I hope the presale event is over. That Cyprus deal is pretty brutal for savers, yep. But the countdown, again, is to a possible media alert for a company that doesn't need no bleepin' bank. ;D. Well, for the purpose of saving anyway? I sure hope Ireland does not follow CYPRUS.
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Post by cbingle on Mar 17, 2013 14:08:35 GMT -8
Really...Your biggest fears are Cypress...is it even a country...maybe something the size of Costa Rica...get a frickin grip people.
No wonder AAPL was taken taken from 705 to 419...gullible likes everywhere...
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Post by lovemyipad on Mar 17, 2013 14:58:28 GMT -8
Really...Your biggest fears are Cypress...is it even a country...maybe something the size of Costa Rica...get a frickin grip people. No wonder AAPL was taken taken from 705 to 419...gullible likes everywhere... You're kidding, right? See Futures. This is due to Cyprus. Note the spelling. Read the Bloomberg link in my last post to see what relevance little Cyprus has to your portfolio. Futures
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Post by fas550 on Mar 17, 2013 15:04:04 GMT -8
Really...Your biggest fears are Cypress...is it even a country...maybe something the size of Costa Rica...get a frickin grip people. No wonder AAPL was taken taken from 705 to 419...gullible likes everywhere... You are right Cyprus in itself is not an economic Impact for most outside Cyprus. However, something like this could easily cause a ripple effect on nervous account holder in other EU countries. Banks in Europe are basically a holding facility for people's money given how little they are paying on deposits plus trust in the banks are at probably at an all time low. If here is a hint of risk many will not take any risk and just pull their money out. Basically the thought that a EU member Gov't would keep banks closed or limit withdrawals until they take part of one's savings is not conducive to stability.
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Post by lovemyipad on Mar 17, 2013 15:11:52 GMT -8
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Post by rob_london on Mar 17, 2013 15:13:53 GMT -8
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Post by fas550 on Mar 17, 2013 15:28:56 GMT -8
Oops!!! I like gardening sorry
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Post by Mav on Mar 17, 2013 15:29:08 GMT -8
You're kidding, right? See Futures. This is due to Cyprus. Note the spelling. Read the Bloomberg link in my last post to see what relevance little Cyprus has to your portfolio. FuturesWow. I guess as of now, markets DO care about Cyprus. AMZN implications! ;D Ahem. Sorry iPad. Please, carry on everyone.
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Post by lovemyipad on Mar 17, 2013 15:30:54 GMT -8
LOL, fas!!
And LOL, Mav!!
IMHO, when the broad markets display the topping patterns we've seen developing across the indices, any catalyst will do. I didn't know what the headline would be, only that one was coming...
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Post by artman1033 on Mar 17, 2013 15:31:03 GMT -8
Really...Your biggest fears are Cypress...is it even a country...maybe something the size of Costa Rica...get a frickin grip people. No wonder AAPL was taken taken from 705 to 419...gullible likes everywhere... You're kidding, right? See Futures. This is due to Cyprus. Note the spelling. Read the Bloomberg link in my last post to see what relevance little Cyprus has to your portfolio. FuturesFront page from Monday's London TIMES
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Post by sponge on Mar 17, 2013 15:32:12 GMT -8
Well if we manage to withstand the market selloff tomorrow and hold 435 I would consider that bullish.
Aapl has a habit if correcting 20 points after a run from the bottom. So I won't be shocked to see mid 420s this week. That will only happen if we drop below 435 tomorrow.
Tuesday is more important then Monday.
I hope we hold 435 and the market recovers by end of the week.
Have plenty of buying power but not getting in for sure at this point.
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Post by rosie on Mar 17, 2013 15:40:25 GMT -8
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Post by cbingle on Mar 17, 2013 15:41:06 GMT -8
OK...will say this again...spelling aside. CYPRUS ia a non-issue besides a one day event. AAPL is trading at a 10 PE today based on CYPRUS type FUD (aka: Samsung). We saw how that unfolded on Thursday/Friday. AAPL in reallity is a 13 PE stock, even at a discount, so should be valued at $572. A 1% sell off based on your knee jerk reaction is $566.
So, my guess is AAPL gaps down and closes higher tomorrow. STMF
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Post by Mav on Mar 17, 2013 15:41:37 GMT -8
Hmm..._no_ cash conference tomorrow? We're past 6PM Eastern time.
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Post by lovemyipad on Mar 17, 2013 15:44:40 GMT -8
OK...will say this again...spelling aside. CYPRUS ia a non-issue besides a one day event. AAPL is trading at a 10 PE today based on CYPRUS type FUD (aka: Samsung). We saw how that unfolded on Thursday/Friday. AAPL in reallity is a 13 PE stock, even at a discount, so should be valued at $572. A 1% sell off based on your knee jerk reaction is $566. So, my guess is AAPL gaps down and closes higher tomorrow. STMF You want to buy my shares at the discounted price of $566? All yours. AAPL is trading where it is based on sentiment, and sentiment drives supply and demand which determine price (versus theoretical value) of a stock.
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Post by Mav on Mar 17, 2013 15:48:45 GMT -8
You can hate the sentiment (which I do), you can think it's borderline-to-flat-out insane (which I think it is), but in the low 440s, you can't really deny it, unfortunately.
If you play the long game, as in the really, really, really long game, though, I'd guess you don't have to worry as much. It's a much lower-stress life, regular ol' investing in shares on a multi-year timeframe.
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Post by Mav on Mar 17, 2013 15:52:32 GMT -8
LOL, fas!! And LOL, Mav!! IMHO, when the broad markets display the topping patterns we've seen developing across the indices, any catalyst will do. I didn't know what the headline would be, only that one was coming... I would add, normal retraces/corrections are healthy. The markets were getting due for a rest, anyway.
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Post by lovemyipad on Mar 17, 2013 15:58:46 GMT -8
I would add, normal retraces/corrections are healthy. The markets were getting due for a rest, anyway. Yes. Here's the monthly chart of the S&P500 since mid-1995: You can see why *some* money might be leaving the market at this level.
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Post by cbingle on Mar 17, 2013 16:04:13 GMT -8
lovemyipad: I can see you have reached a negative stress point. I did also a few weeks back. Now down about $700k from a $2,000k profit. The point is the future. Not a day or week event. The Samsung unveiling on Thursday was a huge positive for AAPL. AAPL will be significantly higher in 6-9 months. Sponge is right in a not so straight perception.
I now see the sentiment moving positive. AAPL is now moving positive. The media is now moving back in AAPL direction. The amazing part is AAPL has not changed at all. This actually makes me more comfortable/confident.
STMF
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Post by Mav on Mar 17, 2013 16:05:01 GMT -8
Dos Equis? Just checkin' there.
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Post by Mav on Mar 17, 2013 16:07:20 GMT -8
Yes. Here's the monthly chart of the S&P500 since mid-1995: You can see why *some* money might be leaving the market at this level. Tinfoil chart read time! Some are thinking "dreaded triple top". OTOH, I'm thinking, the trajectories of those three uptrends clearly can't hold...the charts speak for themselves. A more sustainable move will be needed for the S&P to get well past 1600, IMHO. Or, if nothing else, frequent pauses between accelerated moves. More sustainable macro would be nice, but one gigantic project at a time, eh?
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Post by cbingle on Mar 17, 2013 16:09:58 GMT -8
Yep. STMF
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Post by Mav on Mar 17, 2013 16:10:36 GMT -8
Translation: Stay Thirsty, My Friends.
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Post by Red Shirted Ensign on Mar 17, 2013 16:27:24 GMT -8
Ah, I was afraid it was something like:
So tickle my fanny
Thanks for clarifying ....
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Post by Mav on Mar 17, 2013 16:28:45 GMT -8
Ah, I was afraid it was something like: So tickle my fanny Thanks for clarifying .... Chasmac the Second. Congratulations. ...
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Post by cbingle on Mar 17, 2013 16:32:31 GMT -8
Mav: I know you have become a technician "architect", but even you must realize the huge "sentiment" change on Friday. Samumg was exposed for who they truly are, and the media will expand on this for the next several weeks (it takes them time to articulate ;-)
With AAPL's upcoming events (already discussed), I see upside to $600 this year without too much investor effort (other than AAPL' s normal effort)
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Post by Mav on Mar 17, 2013 16:35:01 GMT -8
Uh...what?
Dude, I'm Mr. Tinfoil Early Warning Channel. I've been cheering on this mini-countertrend for a few days now. Will it hold is the eternal question for traders. (And those who don't trade, don't mind us.)
Not sure what a technician architect is, but if it implies expertise, look to others.
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Post by fas550 on Mar 17, 2013 16:37:29 GMT -8
I would add, normal retraces/corrections are healthy. The markets were getting due for a rest, anyway. Yes. Here's the monthly chart of the S&P500 since mid-1995: You can see why *some* money might be leaving the market at this level. Well I guess we are headed to 800 on the S&P :-). Thanks for that chart. No worries. Looks like the perfect environment for some Bull Put Spreads (on other stocks).
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