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Post by moltenfire on Sept 24, 2012 14:03:43 GMT -8
Does anyone here use TD Waterhouse in Canada? I apparently got myself options level 3, which means I can trade spreads. But the online WebBroker interface has no way to enter spreads?
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Post by phoebear611 on Sept 24, 2012 14:09:48 GMT -8
Cramer comparing AAPL to GOOG -- which do you hold - which is harder to own? Asking which is the better one to own. He quotes the Nocera article and wonders if Apple is under pressure because it is priced to perfection and because Jobs isn't there it may never be the company everyone had hoped. He is also resentful that they are not venturing into social media and thought they should have made a play for Twitter. They are too concentrated and not enough products and expectations have gotten so out of whack that it will be impossible to please anyone. Google is the king of search, blah, blah, blah......
Says he is not backing away from AAPL but only as an investment. As he spoke the stock moved down more than 3 points (It is currently down 5.64 in AH) Everyone is piling on.
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Post by Mav on Sept 24, 2012 14:12:04 GMT -8
Blah blah blah *rolleyes* and all the rest. Tuning out all the noise. Sitting in cash. And waiting for that next buying opportunity. I'll probably have a better clue on Apple's prospects if I end up getting an iPhone 5 in the next 2 weeks.
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Post by nate010203 on Sept 24, 2012 14:14:21 GMT -8
down nearly 1 percent isnt this a good time to load up?
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Post by jumar on Sept 24, 2012 14:15:38 GMT -8
Does anyone here use TD Waterhouse in Canada? I apparently got myself options level 3, which means I can trade spreads. But the online WebBroker interface has no way to enter spreads? I don't use it but was looking at it the other day. I think you have to create the spread the old fashioned way (two trades).
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Post by phoebear611 on Sept 24, 2012 14:15:39 GMT -8
Blah blah blah *rolleyes* and all the rest. Tuning out all the noise. Sitting in cash. And waiting for that next buying opportunity. I'll probably have a better clue on Apple's prospects if I end up getting an iPhone 5 in the next 2 weeks. You can roll your eyes and not "listen "but I think you are smart enough to at least "hear it" because many of these idiots have followers and if you think they don't - well that would be just silly.
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Post by nate010203 on Sept 24, 2012 14:16:38 GMT -8
i just bought some shares 685.50
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Post by johnnyq on Sept 24, 2012 14:17:18 GMT -8
Does anyone here use TD Waterhouse in Canada? I apparently got myself options level 3, which means I can trade spreads. But the online WebBroker interface has no way to enter spreads? I do! There is no way of using WebBroker to enter intact spreads. You have to buy to open, then sell to open uncovered for a bull call spread. Two transactions, and the second one requires an investment representative to approve of it. PM me if you need more info!
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Post by Mav on Sept 24, 2012 14:20:15 GMT -8
Ah, now this, this, shows up on my AH radar. Hovering at the -0.5% level.
Sellers wanna sell. Know your levels, timeframe, risk, etc.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 24, 2012 14:20:45 GMT -8
On CNBC - numbers being clarified - if you ordered a phone and even if it is shipped but YOU HAVE NOT SIGNED FOR IT because it hasn't been delivered -IT IS NOT INCLUDED IN THE NUMBERS GIVEN. this was put out by Brian Marshall at ISI I'm fairly certain this isn't accurate. I believe we've been through this quite a few times and once it ships, ownership has been transferred from Apple and thus it counts as a sale. I think Turley Muller has been all over this for a long time on AFB 1 and elsewhere. Someone please correct me if I am wrong. What is included: Shipments to end customers Shipments to 3rd party retailers (e.g. Best Buy) What is not included: Pre-orders that have not shipped I owned a small multi-national (US, MEXICO and CHIN), and my bank required audited books each year (I had a lot of corporate debt). My accounts were BDO Seidman, one of the biggies For the purpose of booking a sale, it occurred when the product was handed over to the shipper (responsibility for the product is assumed by the buyer at that time). The only way I see around that involves the fact that Apple does not charge freight on these launch products. Insofar as Apple paid for the freight, Apple is responsible for the product until it is signed for by the customer. This brings up an interesting item. This morning UPS delivered my "adapter cables". Talking with the driver, I was told that UPS got slammed on Saturday, and could not deliver everything they had from Apple. Saturday was the last day of the quarter, UPS did not work on Sunday, hence the delivery of my cable's this morning. Another point to be considered is that I normally get my FedEx and UPS deliveries after noon (residential service). Friday and today I received both shipments before 10:00 AM. It's quite possible a significant number of iPhone 5s were not delivered as planned on Friday or Saturday.
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Post by Mav on Sept 24, 2012 14:23:15 GMT -8
You can roll your eyes and not "listen "but I think you are smart enough to at least "hear it" because many of these idiots have followers and if you think they don't - well that would be just silly. You know what I mean. I can get more than a "gist" of the negativity without even trying thanks to the media echo chamber. No, seriously, I think I just skimmed more than 10 negative-ish articles in less than 5 minutes with the help of aggregator sites/etc. But it's noise. Price action is what I try to follow. I subscribe to mental blender theory - throw everything relevant, including the negative FUD, in and plan around the net output. This is tree-shaking. We'll see where it takes us. As you might have noticed, I'm short-term AAPL "bearish" with over 2/3 cash since market mid-day. How I feel about the news/trends/AAPL long-term is NOT necessarily the way I trade day to day. Which, also, is not meant to imply that I have any idea what I'm doing.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 24, 2012 14:26:14 GMT -8
LOL - Its hilarious that GOOG is hitting ATH....considering they just lost 5 million premium uses of google maps, and will lose another 300+ million iOS google maps users before the end of 2013.
On that note, Gurber linked to a article about how much of an IMPROVEMENT iOS 6 Maps are over google maps for the 1.2 billion chinese population.
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Post by Mav on Sept 24, 2012 14:26:58 GMT -8
And Gregg, multiply that situation plus supply crunch by the launch countries.
All in all, a good problem to have.
Btw, I reached out to Apple IR about the iPhone 5 initial sales. Asked a more targeted question about in-transit shipments direct to consumers (y'know, those not yet signed for). Will let the board know when I get a reply.
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Post by Mav on Sept 24, 2012 14:29:58 GMT -8
LOL - Its hilarious that GOOG is hitting ATH....considering they just lost 5 million premium uses of google maps, and will lose another 300+ million iOS google maps users before the end of 2013. On that note, Gurber linked to a article about how much of an IMPROVEMENT iOS 6 Maps are over google maps for the 1.2 billion chinese population. Which is what counts. Btw, on a semi-related note, just set Siri to foreign languages just for fun (easy to do). And remember how China and Korea and many countries missed out on Siri...until now...
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Post by phoebear611 on Sept 24, 2012 14:41:04 GMT -8
I asked this earlier - don't know if anyone knows - I now read on Twitter and also Najarian mentioned something about AAPL making a supposed announcement on Friday re sales numbers. Unfortunately I didn't hear clearly what he said but then someone mentioned it again on Twitter. Is there any further announcement on sales numbers that AAPL normally would give? (i.e. for the first day it launches internationally?)
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Post by rutgersguy92 on Sept 24, 2012 14:51:14 GMT -8
I've noticed your game has been improving. Good work! Next step is to learn your analysts. Andy Zaky and Jason Schwartz run independent Apple investor services. They aren't the same WS analysts we all love to skewer. Andy Zaky is really good at calling bottoms and buy in points. He isn't infallible, but I don't know of anyone better. Jason Schwartz offers a newsletter with frequent updates. That said, no once knows for certain what will happen. Well one is calling to be in all cash and the other suggesting an entry point here so who is one suppose to listen to? Everyone is great until they are not...I guess Jason thinks we are going to resume the run-up after this mini-correction, on the coattails of the IPad Mini introduction. So he's looking for a very good entry point.
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Post by Odd-Lot Richard on Sept 24, 2012 14:58:14 GMT -8
Has anyone who is not buying a new iPhone decided to load the new iOS? I'll wait a few days myself before switching, standard operating procedure—let the others shake out the bugs.
As for the dip, I don't have an options account, and even a sad old odd-lotter such as I can't bring myself to buy three shares (all my risk cash would buy at this point).
(edit: fat-fingered, sorry)
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Post by Deleted on Sept 24, 2012 14:59:00 GMT -8
LOL - Its hilarious that GOOG is hitting ATH....considering they just lost 5 million premium uses of google maps, and will lose another 300+ million iOS google maps users before the end of 2013. On that note, Gurber linked to a article about how much of an IMPROVEMENT iOS 6 Maps are over google maps for the 1.2 billion chinese population. Which is what counts. Btw, on a semi-related note, just set Siri to foreign languages just for fun (easy to do). And remember how China and Korea and many countries missed out on Siri...until now... Amen to that Mav! (although Siri still has trouble with my Kiwi slang)
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Post by Apple II+ on Sept 24, 2012 15:00:40 GMT -8
93% of wha? That doesn't sound Fibonacci. I really think he means if it drops 7%, which coincidentally is 656. I can imagine that would be very strong support, don't want to find out as I don't have enough cash to beneift from that kind of drop. Or the stomach... Right. It's not a fib or other technical support level. It's just part of my trading rules. AAPL tends to pull back at least 5% from an ATH pretty often and 10% sometimes, so I make it a rule not to begin to get interested in increasing leverage until about 7% down. I get more interested at 10% down and really, really interested at 13% down. Such rules help me deal with the stomach churning.
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Post by rutgersguy92 on Sept 24, 2012 15:14:11 GMT -8
Cramer comparing AAPL to GOOG -- which do you hold - which is harder to own? Asking which is the better one to own. He quotes the Nocera article and wonders if Apple is under pressure because it is priced to perfection and because Jobs isn't there it may never be the company everyone had hoped. He is also resentful that they are not venturing into social media and thought they should have made a play for Twitter. They are too concentrated and not enough products and expectations have gotten so out of whack that it will be impossible to please anyone. Google is the king of search, blah, blah, blah...... Says he is not backing away from AAPL but only as an investment. As he spoke the stock moved down more than 3 points (It is currently down 5.64 in AH) Everyone is piling on. I saw that. I can't believe he would be a shill for GOOG. He also mentioned that these articles coming out in the NYT about AAPL having a $1 trillion market cap looks like it could be calling a top. Kind of like what happened in early April, when analysts started in with $1001 targets, and the like.
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Post by aapl4kiki on Sept 24, 2012 15:17:00 GMT -8
Cramer comparing AAPL to GOOG -- which do you hold - which is harder to own? Asking which is the better one to own. He quotes the Nocera article and wonders if Apple is under pressure because it is priced to perfection and because Jobs isn't there it may never be the company everyone had hoped. He is also resentful that they are not venturing into social media and thought they should have made a play for Twitter. They are too concentrated and not enough products and expectations have gotten so out of whack that it will be impossible to please anyone. Google is the king of search, blah, blah, blah...... Says he is not backing away from AAPL but only as an investment. As he spoke the stock moved down more than 3 points (It is currently down 5.64 in AH) Everyone is piling on. I saw that. I can't believe he would be a shill for GOOG. He also mentioned that these articles coming out in the NYT about AAPL having a $1 trillion market cap looks like it could be calling a top. Kind of like what happened in early April, when analysts started in with $1001 targets, and the like. Secret messages and smoke signals on WS? Never.
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Post by lovemyipad on Sept 24, 2012 15:17:05 GMT -8
Thanks to you Lovey I'm finally playing with the "big boys & girls"........ i.e. Spreads! Started with a Jan 670/700 Spread with an ROI of 95% (assuming 700 in late Jan). Way to go, John!! I like those strikes. Next dip purchase, please consider APR'13 or later...a little breathing room is nice.
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Post by lovemyipad on Sept 24, 2012 15:18:45 GMT -8
Right. It's not a fib or other technical support level. It's just part of my trading rules. AAPL tends to pull back at least 5% from an ATH pretty often and 10% sometimes, so I make it a rule not to begin to get interested in increasing leverage until about 7% down. I get more interested at 10% down and really, really interested at 13% down. Such rules help me deal with the stomach churning. Good rules -- like it!!
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Post by rosie on Sept 24, 2012 15:21:20 GMT -8
my lightning cable arrived via FedEx today 2 days early...my driver said he had about 10 phones to deliver today. that beats the 3 the UPS driver had on his truck on Friday. but a lot of trickles make a stream make a river ....I also decided to get applecare for the phone because you can have 2 accidents covered in a 24 month period with only a $49 replacement fee each time. Not planning on any accidents, but that's not a bad deal and it's $99 insurance for the 2 years.
and my ATT account info today said I can upgrade in 17 months. interesting dynamics all around.
wait 5 minutes and it will all change again...just like the price manipulations. Today was definitely an odd day, but tomorrow is yet to come...
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Post by chinacat on Sept 24, 2012 15:31:28 GMT -8
Has anyone who is not buying a new iPhone decided to load the new iOS? I'll wait a few days myself before switching, standard operating procedure—let the others shake out the bugs. As for the dip, I don't have an options account, and even a sad old odd-lotter such as I can't bring myself to buy three shares (all my risk cash would buy at this point). (edit: fat-fingered, sorry) OLR, I loaded it onto my 4S and iPad2 as soon as it announced itself as available. Upgrade was perfectly smooth, as was the apps upgrade.
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Post by macziggy on Sept 24, 2012 15:35:21 GMT -8
I really think he means if it drops 7%, which coincidentally is 656. I can imagine that would be very strong support, don't want to find out as I don't have enough cash to beneift from that kind of drop. Or the stomach... Right. It's not a fib or other technical support level. It's just part of my trading rules. AAPL tends to pull back at least 5% from an ATH pretty often and 10% sometimes, so I make it a rule not to begin to get interested in increasing leverage until about 7% down. I get more interested at 10% down and really, really interested at 13% down. Such rules help me deal with the stomach churning. I wouldn't be surprised to see it drop to the 658ish area where there is a lot of support. Bummer on the iPhone tally from this weekend. And the map fiasco....not good. Used the map app yesterday but ended up having to call the restaurant to find its location in Pasadena. Weird stuff from AAPL this year. I've had shares since 2006. Two earnings "disappointments" in one year (incredible) and now this iPhone stuff. Steve Jobs would not be happy! Hopefully, all this will lead to a great entry point for Jan/Apr spreads!
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Post by lovemyipad on Sept 24, 2012 15:37:52 GMT -8
Which one was the disappointment? The one where we missed, and subsequently rallied 135 points? Or the one where we kicked ass, and subsequently tanked 100 points?
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Post by mbeauch on Sept 24, 2012 15:39:33 GMT -8
Holy cow... GOOG is at 750. I'm sort of glad they're paving the way into the nosebleed seats. There is no way they can go higher though. They have to split! It's the law of....large stock prices! Didn't google split not to long ago?
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Post by macziggy on Sept 24, 2012 15:46:23 GMT -8
Which one was the disappointment? The one where we missed, and subsequently rallied 135 points? Or the one where we kicked ass, and subsequently tanked 100 points? BOTH were incredibly weird...as in October and July earnings. HaHa! But, reinforced one of your mottos....trade what you see.....!!! Very good!
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Post by mbeauch on Sept 24, 2012 15:51:05 GMT -8
OK, just read where Samsung is arguing that the jury talked about information not presented at trial. (Lets not forget that it was Samsung who tried to tait the jury). Samsung is also arguing that the jury foreman swayed the jury because of his patent experience.
These people are scum.
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