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Post by Since84 on Apr 22, 2015 4:44:54 GMT -8
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Post by bud777 on Apr 22, 2015 5:01:30 GMT -8
I just posted this in Braeburn regarding the Economist article from yesterday
I realize that we are powerless to influence or control the FUD that passes for the financial press when it comes to Apple, but here at least could we resist the urge to substitute jingoism for analysis? I am so tired of the abuse of the "Law of Large Numbers" in regards to Apple stock. Please take a minute and read what Wikipedia says about the LOLN.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Law_of_large_numbers
As you can see, this has NOTHING to do with Apples ability to grow. We are not talking about random variables or repeated trials. It is invariably used to say that it is harder to double in size if you are a larger company. This ignores factors like the available market share that you can capture, limits on your production and the effects of innovation and new products. Whether Apple can continue to grow or not is not the issue here. The issue for me is that we are appropriating an irrelevant term and misusing it.
Since the press will not give up something that gives it the semblance of legitimacy, let me offer this alternative. Every investor has to make a decision about whether to put his money into stock A or Stock B. To make this decision, he must compare the relative performance and anticipate return. The analysis of the relative returns will lead him to chose the best investment for his purposes. therefore, THE THEORY OF RELATIVITY implies that blah, blah, blah.
We could probably do something with entropy with a little effort.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 22, 2015 5:19:43 GMT -8
In a year or two, the media will have come up with the "Law of Super Large Numbers." Meanwhile, Apple continues to generate unparalleled cash flows, which it uses to buy more of its shares back.
The public is underserved by a marginal financial press, made worse by the lack of accountability.
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Post by artman1033 on Apr 22, 2015 5:41:27 GMT -8
ANGELA'S video to the WATCH crew: fortune.com/author/philip-elmer-dewitt/From the comments: Given that the same watch module fits into each case, and the relative low cost of aluminum and steel cases, this makes little sense unless there was an unexpected or unresolved bottleneck from a critical component.
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Post by JDSoCal on Apr 22, 2015 6:41:42 GMT -8
I just posted this in Braeburn regarding the Economist article from yesterday I realize that we are powerless to influence or control the FUD that passes for the financial press when it comes to Apple, but here at least could we resist the urge to substitute jingoism for analysis? I am so tired of the abuse of the "Law of Large Numbers" in regards to Apple stock. Please take a minute and read what Wikipedia says about the LOLN. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Law_of_large_numbers As you can see, this has NOTHING to do with Apples ability to grow. We are not talking about random variables or repeated trials. It is invariably used to say that it is harder to double in size if you are a larger company. This ignores factors like the available market share that you can capture, limits on your production and the effects of innovation and new products. Whether Apple can continue to grow or not is not the issue here. The issue for me is that we are appropriating an irrelevant term and misusing it. I'll respond, even though you gave posting preference to those deluded charlatans at Braeburn. Yes, this "law" involves random numbers, and was advanced long before there was such as thing as publicly traded securities. Anyone who uses it to describe Apple should be on a short bus headed to Tardville. But let's say such a law for stocks did exist, just for argument. Does anyone really believe that market capitalization would be the metric one would use to declare a company at its maximum size? Number of shares x stock price? How would that be relevant to a company's size? And even if it were the metric, what proof is there that a particular round number is the maximum? Simply because overpriced companies in the past - during the "nosebleed" P/E's of the late 90's, to use PED's stupid term - went no higher, what evidence is there that was the largest possible number? Especially with the ridiculous P/E's compared to AAPL. If there were a law of large numbers, would it not involve, say, maximum revenues, or a maximum number of widgets that the people of the world could possibly buy? Or God forbid, at least a maximum P/E? But of course market cap looks at none of that. Dumb people are dumb. And they are invited on CNBC regularly. Edit: Aaaaand right on cue, an idiota: Apple shares may have peaked
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Post by archibaldtuttle on Apr 22, 2015 6:42:09 GMT -8
I make commercials and corporate communications videos like this for Fortune 500 companies and this one is disturbingly unprofessional. Yes, it's an internal video but she has tens of thousands of employees to talk to -- you'd think some more care would have gone into this communication. Especially since many internal memos from Apple eventually leak to the public.
It looks like she's climbed into a service alleyway where only gardeners go, and the choice of setting means the background is overexposed and distracting.
The attempts at humor ("this isn't Bali") feel awkward and out of touch and she rambles on and on, repeating herself several times without saying much. It looks like she's glancing at notes out of frame next to the camera, but they're not helping her much stay on point and concise.
There are only one or two major takeaway points in this video at all - tell people to order online, and this won't be the case for future launches just this one. These points could have been delivered in a minute or two tops, To take 5 minutes to express this makes her feel confused and mentally disorganized to me.
In addition, some titles or floating bullet points, or cutaway shots could have helped this from feeling so rambling.
This internal communication stuff matters. Cultivating a careful brand with your employees is just as important in some ways as what your brand feels like to the outside world. A perception of leadership, on brand messaging, morale, etc.
This is Apple, not a 20-person family business. They should have videographers and editors on staff who could have made something much better than this in an hour. So I can only conclude that making it this way was either a result of (a) an intentional effort to feel casual and unproduced or (b) unintentional, out of lack of awareness how this would come across.
Either way, it's a considerable communications failure in my opinion.
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Post by Since84 on Apr 22, 2015 6:55:44 GMT -8
It's interesting because we do not know how many Watches were produced or sold -- Hundreds of Thousands... Millions... Tens of Millions.
Ramping production is an art. Miss-estimating demand by even a small percentage (10%) either way can produce undesired results.
This is a new product. It has likely outsold all previous products in its category combined. How does one adequately and accurately forecast demand?
Apple has shown an amazing ability to respond to off the charts demand. Personally, I'm very impressed with Apples strategies to gage demand early (e.g. try it on, like your favorite, pre-order). Presumably production has been tweaked in response to these indicators since the first were received.
Then we face the issue of sustainability. That is, does this intense demand last a month and dissipate or continue to grow? The answer leads to very different production strategies. Again, Apple has proven astute at managing demand, for instance adding markets as availability (production) permits.
As an investor, I'm thrilled with the current state of affairs. How happy would any of us be if everyone who wanted to order was able to place an order for delivery on the 24th?
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Post by audiosculpture12 on Apr 22, 2015 7:02:07 GMT -8
- i don't feel it's that bad. the echo is bizarre (as in why is it even there??). - in terms of the "sensational feedback", Angela obviously hasn't noticed Phoebear's feelings
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Post by Deleted on Apr 22, 2015 7:29:40 GMT -8
As an investor, I'm thrilled with the current state of affairs. How happy would any of us be if everyone who wanted to order was able to place an order for delivery on the 24th? I'll be more thrilled when my order moves out of "processing" into "preparing for shipment" limbo. I think Apple needs another status placeholder, such as "We're making the damn things faster than you can say ShameSung, please be patient!"
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Post by zzmac on Apr 22, 2015 7:38:46 GMT -8
Scratchgate - I read this morning that they were able to scratch the lens on the Watch Sport using sandpaper. Because they didn't say what grit sandpaper was used I'm going to have to buy the Sapphire lens model so not to take any chances. Never know when you're going to bump into a carpenter.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 22, 2015 7:39:15 GMT -8
One of the "features" of being on the Android platform, apart from living in a really cool basement with lava lights and shit, is the ability to customize your devices, right down to the clock face on your Android Watch. Yes, this is a downloadable clock face. Phillip Patek has nothing to worry about from Googleheads.
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Post by qualitywte on Apr 22, 2015 7:51:08 GMT -8
I make commercials and corporate communications videos like this for Fortune 500 companies and this one is disturbingly unprofessional. Yes, it's an internal video but she has tens of thousands of employees to talk to -- you'd think some more care would have gone into this communication. Especially since many internal memos from Apple eventually leak to the public. It looks like she's climbed into a service alleyway where only gardeners go, and the choice of setting means the background is overexposed and distracting. The attempts at humor ("this isn't Bali") feel awkward and out of touch and she rambles on and on, repeating herself several times without saying much. It looks like she's glancing at notes out of frame next to the camera, but they're not helping her much stay on point and concise. There are only one or two major takeaway points in this video at all - tell people to order online, and this won't be the case for future launches just this one. These points could have been delivered in a minute or two tops, To take 5 minutes to express this makes her feel confused and mentally disorganized to me. In addition, some titles or floating bullet points, or cutaway shots could have helped this from feeling so rambling. This internal communication stuff matters. Cultivating a careful brand with your employees is just as important in some ways as what your brand feels like to the outside world. A perception of leadership, on brand messaging, morale, etc. This is Apple, not a 20-person family business. They should have videographers and editors on staff who could have made something much better than this in an hour. So I can only conclude that making it this way was either a result of (a) an intentional effort to feel casual and unproduced or (b) unintentional, out of lack of awareness how this would come across. Either way, it's a considerable communications failure in my opinion. This is a great critique, and I haven't even see the video. Don't think I want to now. We can only hope that someone at Apple Inc. gets this message and heeds your advice.
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Post by rickag on Apr 22, 2015 8:18:26 GMT -8
I just posted this in Braeburn regarding the Economist article from yesterday I realize that we are powerless to influence or control the FUD that passes for the financial press when it comes to Apple, but here at least could we resist the urge to substitute jingoism for analysis? I am so tired of the abuse of the "Law of Large Numbers" in regards to Apple stock. Please take a minute and read what Wikipedia says about the LOLN. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Law_of_large_numbers As you can see, this has NOTHING to do with Apples ability to grow. We are not talking about random variables or repeated trials. It is invariably used to say that it is harder to double in size if you are a larger company. This ignores factors like the available market share that you can capture, limits on your production and the effects of innovation and new products. Whether Apple can continue to grow or not is not the issue here. The issue for me is that we are appropriating an irrelevant term and misusing it. Since the press will not give up something that gives it the semblance of legitimacy, let me offer this alternative. Every investor has to make a decision about whether to put his money into stock A or Stock B. To make this decision, he must compare the relative performance and anticipate return. The analysis of the relative returns will lead him to chose the best investment for his purposes. therefore, THE THEORY OF RELATIVITY implies that blah, blah, blah. We could probably do something with entropy with a little effort. Or enthalpy.
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Post by macwire on Apr 22, 2015 9:02:20 GMT -8
I make commercials and corporate communications videos like this for Fortune 500 companies and this one is disturbingly unprofessional. Yes, it's an internal video but she has tens of thousands of employees to talk to -- you'd think some more care would have gone into this communication. Especially since many internal memos from Apple eventually leak to the public. It looks like she's climbed into a service alleyway where only gardeners go, and the choice of setting means the background is overexposed and distracting. The attempts at humor ("this isn't Bali") feel awkward and out of touch and she rambles on and on, repeating herself several times without saying much. It looks like she's glancing at notes out of frame next to the camera, but they're not helping her much stay on point and concise. There are only one or two major takeaway points in this video at all - tell people to order online, and this won't be the case for future launches just this one. These points could have been delivered in a minute or two tops, To take 5 minutes to express this makes her feel confused and mentally disorganized to me. In addition, some titles or floating bullet points, or cutaway shots could have helped this from feeling so rambling. This internal communication stuff matters. Cultivating a careful brand with your employees is just as important in some ways as what your brand feels like to the outside world. A perception of leadership, on brand messaging, morale, etc. This is Apple, not a 20-person family business. They should have videographers and editors on staff who could have made something much better than this in an hour. So I can only conclude that making it this way was either a result of (a) an intentional effort to feel casual and unproduced or (b) unintentional, out of lack of awareness how this would come across. Either way, it's a considerable communications failure in my opinion. I thought she was knocking it out of the park tho right? LOL
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Post by phoebear611 on Apr 22, 2015 9:04:34 GMT -8
Did not like the video - did not like how she came across. If I had not seen her speak in her previous life I would be worried so I will stay calm for now ( she stumbled and seemed nervous). Where was Apple's Communication's Dept? This was sophomoric at several levels. I am still confused with this launch but I leave it to all of your larger brains. PS I thought TC was the Wizard of Inventory - he could have gotten this to go smoother. I'm just not buying it...oh wait I did...well you know what I mean!
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Post by phoebear611 on Apr 22, 2015 9:28:10 GMT -8
One of the "features" of being on the Android platform, apart from living in a really cool basement with lava lights and shit, is the ability to customize your devices, right down to the clock face on your Android Watch. Yes, this is a downloadable clock face. Phillip Patek has nothing to worry about from Googleheads. You crack me up! I just laughed out loud. I remember a young lady who thought ... well basically she thought you could "buy class" but was a raging idiot particularly at common sense. Unfortunately, her blond little head didn't know what it didn't know but managed to move her along just a bit. She once leaned over and told me, "I'm going to get me one of those Philip Patek's!" ... I spit out my coffee. "You mean a Patek Philippe?" (SHOT -SCORE!) I had to - I really am a nice person - she had it coming.
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Post by mark on Apr 22, 2015 9:38:36 GMT -8
Did not like the video - did not like how she came across. If I had not seen her speak in her previous life I would be worried so I will stay calm for now ( she stumbled and seemed nervous). Where was Apple's Communication's Dept? This was sophomoric at several levels. I am still confused with this launch but I leave it to all of your larger brains. PS I thought TC was the Wizard of Inventory - he could have gotten this to go smoother. I'm just not buying it...oh wait I did...well you know what I mean! Maybe we have a different definition of "wizard of inventory", but my definition is - someone who can manage inventory such that the costs to the company are as low as possible while still selling as much product as can be sold profitably. So ... if Apple had decided to make lots and lots of all 200+ models of watch (other than the edition ones of course) and stocked them in stores, in distribution centers, and in the shipment channels, I would have been quite disappointed. Because after a while, they would notice that some models weren't selling very well and would have to: 1. eat the inventory cost while holding them in stock (for a MUCH longer time than usual). 2. ship things back and forth to places of higher demand from places of lower demand per model. 3. eventually discount those models that didn't sell well. These are all very costly things. Costly in terms of funds and costly in terms of reputation (discounting is NOT Apple's style, it causes all sorts of issues, not least of which is buyer price remorse after something they bought was discounted) and costly in terms of a lot more inventory management (it's a lot easier to ship stuff to stores and sell all of it than moving stuff from store to store depending on demand). As for this video, it sucks, and I can't believe anyone in Apple PR/Communications approved its release. Maybe she had her own department produce it quickly and released it without sufficient review? It sucks in all ways - production, content, script, execution, quality, wrong person speaking (she's obviously not good at this kind of stuff), etc.
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Post by artman1033 on Apr 22, 2015 9:43:51 GMT -8
from Sammy the walrus email this morning:
There are a few things to note:
1) Back in March, Apple announced a very aggressive nine country launch for Apple Watch. If going by historical revenue mix by country, the Apple Watch launch wouldn't be just the widest release for a new product category, but even wider than the iPhone 6 and 6 Plus. Why release a new product with very limited supply into such a wide country release? There are pros and cons with keeping the launch exclusive to U.S. for the first few weeks. Was management concerned with resellers overwhelming queues in order to supply the Watch for the grey/black market?
2) When pre-orders began, it seemed like Apple was going to have supply at Apple Retail (which isn't a trivial number of units for product launches). Once pre-orders began and certain Apple Watch models weren't even available at launch, Apple observers like Ken Segall started to raise some concerns about Apple's misleading launch messaging. In addition, Apple users began to email executives asking about stock at Apple Retail stores.
3) Angela Ahrendts sent three internal memos to Apple Retail staff within two weeks, including yesterday's unusual video that just repeated comments from her previous memo days earlier. The three messages contain inconsistencies, which is a sign that Apple is learning as they do this and that there are indeed changes being made to this launch.
At the end of the day, I don't think this launch will hurt the Watch's long-term prospects. Instead, it raises a number of questions as to how Apple will handle future product launches, especially for more personalized devices. It is becoming increasingly apparent that Apple cannot produce enough supply to meet demand at launches, and the problem is made worse when launching products that require a longer sales process, like sizing watch bands and cases. Ahrendts claims Apple will be returning to its long lines for future Apple products, which only makes this situation that much more confusing.
I suspect what happened was that Apple felt there were more cons than pros in keeping the Watch launch exclusive to the U.S. Accordingly, very strong Watch demand across the world, mixed with little to no supply for certain watch models, led Apple to keep purchases exclusive to online. We are now seeing Apple executives work to fix misleading launch messaging (as seen with Apple changing the language on its website about the Watch being available on April 24th to simply saying the watch is coming) and Ahrendts having to explain time and time again why there isn't stock in stores.
While I am not comfortable making any connections yet between Ahrendts' job performance and this Apple Watch launch as it does seem like Apple is trying its best given the situation, I am comfortable in saying that Apple will need to rethink its launch strategy and messaging for future products.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 22, 2015 9:44:52 GMT -8
One of the "features" of being on the Android platform, apart from living in a really cool basement with lava lights and shit, is the ability to customize your devices, right down to the clock face on your Android Watch. Yes, this is a downloadable clock face. Phillip Patek has nothing to worry about from Googleheads. You crack me up! I just laughed out loud. I remember a young lady who thought ... well basically she thought you could "buy class" but was a raging idiot particularly at common sense. Unfortunately, her blond little head didn't know what it didn't know but managed to move her along just a bit. She once leaned over and told me, "I'm going to get me one of those Philip Patek's!" ... I spit out my coffee. "You mean a Patek Philippe?" (SHOT -SCORE!) I had to - I really am a nice person - she had it coming. Phoebes, I knew you would get the inside "Phillip Patek" joke. I hope "Phil" is laughing somewhere, heh.
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Post by chinacat on Apr 22, 2015 10:06:22 GMT -8
Small contribution to the cause: picked up a new iMac today. Glad to see that the market reacted favorably.
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Post by nagrani on Apr 22, 2015 11:10:14 GMT -8
Run Forrest run!!!
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Post by burtonair on Apr 22, 2015 12:02:27 GMT -8
I make commercials and corporate communications videos like this for Fortune 500 companies and this one is disturbingly unprofessional. Yes, it's an internal video but she has tens of thousands of employees to talk to -- you'd think some more care would have gone into this communication. Especially since many internal memos from Apple eventually leak to the public. It looks like she's climbed into a service alleyway where only gardeners go, and the choice of setting means the background is overexposed and distracting. The attempts at humor ("this isn't Bali") feel awkward and out of touch and she rambles on and on, repeating herself several times without saying much. It looks like she's glancing at notes out of frame next to the camera, but they're not helping her much stay on point and concise. There are only one or two major takeaway points in this video at all - tell people to order online, and this won't be the case for future launches just this one. These points could have been delivered in a minute or two tops, To take 5 minutes to express this makes her feel confused and mentally disorganized to me. In addition, some titles or floating bullet points, or cutaway shots could have helped this from feeling so rambling. This internal communication stuff matters. Cultivating a careful brand with your employees is just as important in some ways as what your brand feels like to the outside world. A perception of leadership, on brand messaging, morale, etc. This is Apple, not a 20-person family business. They should have videographers and editors on staff who could have made something much better than this in an hour. So I can only conclude that making it this way was either a result of (a) an intentional effort to feel casual and unproduced or (b) unintentional, out of lack of awareness how this would come across. Either way, it's a considerable communications failure in my opinion. Couldn't agree more. There's off-the-cuff professional and off-the-cuff unprofessional. This was the latter. If someone told me this was take 2 ahead of take 5 which was the final, I'd say that makes more sense.
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Post by redinaustin on Apr 22, 2015 13:25:18 GMT -8
Dear Angela, Rehearse then do it again and again until it's perfect.
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Post by Lstream on Apr 22, 2015 13:29:30 GMT -8
Did not like the video - did not like how she came across. If I had not seen her speak in her previous life I would be worried so I will stay calm for now ( she stumbled and seemed nervous). Where was Apple's Communication's Dept? This was sophomoric at several levels. I am still confused with this launch but I leave it to all of your larger brains. PS I thought TC was the Wizard of Inventory - he could have gotten this to go smoother. I'm just not buying it...oh wait I did...well you know what I mean! Phoebes This is not an inventory issue, as we would normally define it. This is a volume manufacturing startup issue in my opinion. It happens with all products. The more complex, the tougher the job. When you ask a supply chain network to rapidly build millions of an entirely new product, there are yield issues. One surprise in a massive supply chain, and end-product manufacturing rate suffers. Once yield and manufacturing capacity ramps to plan, THEN you have an inventory mgt challenge as normally defined. That time is not now. I am not sure what you are not buying, but volume manufacturing launch is massively complex. It seems like you want to blame someone, but I think it is easy to armchair quarterback, when you have not had to live through how this stuff actually works in the real world. I don't think there is any big mystery here. Overall demand, demand mix, a large number of unique configurations, and ramp issues mean a constrained supply. The ONLY way to get customers their product in the minimum length of time is to restrict orders to online only. Otherwise Apple has to make guesses into what models to ship to what stores and in what quantity, and you end up with inventory in the wrong places and not in customers hands. Apple must have received a surprise and were forced into this new strategy. I am not sure what else they were supposed to do in this circumstance. Sometimes I think people expect Apple to forecast the impossible. I would bet that if you put this ramp challenge in front of any other company in the world, they would massively fail, and there would be a whole lot more to complain about. Other companies don't have step function demand increases, so they never really need to face this class of problem.
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Post by phoebear611 on Apr 22, 2015 13:47:30 GMT -8
Lstream - sometimes even the best companies have goals that are way too audacious. Did we really need 562 bands immediately? Is that what held this up? Yes, you are absolutely correct that I have not lived through a launch like this. This is absolutely not my expertise ... but I had hoped it was theirs. Again to clarify what I thought was bad form in case you missed it although I have made such a pest of myself for two weeks already: (1) The initial inability and unpreparedness of many sales people to answer very basic questions and, (2) The seemingly "non-launch" of the in-store availability purchase on the 24th of the watch. IMHO I thought that it was bad form on both counts. What I also find amusing is that Apple seems to be a minimalist company...keeping things simple. Yet, with this product they overcomplicated the launch by offering an overabundance of bands. They could have always expanded on that in the months to come. KISS is usually the best path of all in my experience. This is just one person's opinion - I'm still a fan girl tho.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 22, 2015 13:57:16 GMT -8
Anyone tempted to short AMZN's march to $400 ahead of earnings? I know it's a crazy stock, but maybe Bezos' hat trick last quarter was a one-off?
Is WS ever going to give this Company a timeline to make profits befitting its valuation?
20 years and the stock still doesn't have a P/E ratio. Just wow.
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Post by JDSoCal on Apr 22, 2015 14:14:32 GMT -8
M'kay, finally watched the Ahrendts vid. Not exactly filed under "Great Moments in Business Communication." I'm just hoping she was actually trying to sound conversational, as she would in an in-person meeting. But this leaked for a reason, and it can't be because the Apple PtB's wanted it to, because an undergrad Communications project would be more polished. The "um's" and "you know's" are pretty rough. This vid was obviously not intended for public consumption, but should that matter? I will say, as someone who has done live standups on camera, live lectures, courtroom trials, as well as online video lectures, the prepared video is actually the hardest to get perfect, IMO. Which is why you have to do a million takes to get it right. It can literally take me all day to record a single one-hour video lecture to my satisfaction. Having prepared notes are of course mandatory, but trying to remember them exactly without looking at them while on camera is extremely hard and stressful. Both Jobs biographies discuss the level of preparation Steve put into a multi-hour keynote. A mere 5 minute video can and should be practiced until it's perfect. Angela is obviously not born to do keynotes, which is fine, because she wasn't hired for that, any more than Jony Ive was. Each according to her abilities. The larger concern is that it sounds like Apple is making ad hoc battlefield decisions about a new product category rollout in real time, which would be scary as hell if true. But Tim is the Supply Chain Master, so must have faith, grasshoppers. There are a lot of reasons this video would be leaked. As a former journo, some people just like to leak, as it makes the anonymous little guy feel powerful. Or maybe some rank-and-file store employees just want it out there to take the blame off of them for the launch hiccups. Or, scariest of all, perhaps the leaker wants to make the point, "can you believe this person is in charge?" I prefer to take the long view on executives, especially with a company that changes as slowly as Apple. Have we even begun to see her fingerprints on the stores? But as of right now, Angie is looking more affirmative action diversity hire than The $90 Million Dollar Woman.
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Post by Dave on Apr 22, 2015 14:43:59 GMT -8
This is Tim Cooks Apple now, I guess we should get us to it.
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