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Post by phoebear611 on Dec 30, 2013 3:27:50 GMT -8
Well with 2014 literally around the corner - Audi picking GOOG (stupid) - and the stock a bit red today - I'm looking at 2014 for a better year....maybe even a break out year. One can certainly hope and there is no reason to think we can't make it a reality. C'mon TC - make it the Year of Apple (and AAPL) at all levels.... Well here we are again I guess it must be fate We've tried it on our own But deep inside we've known We'd be back to set things straight
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Post by appledoc on Dec 30, 2013 3:30:31 GMT -8
My guess is that there are more worldwide iOS-using Audi drivers than Android.
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Post by elmar on Dec 30, 2013 3:59:27 GMT -8
My guess is that there are more worldwide iOS-using Audi drivers than Android. I am one of those and Audi going with Google and Android makes me actually think about switching to BMW for my next car.
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Post by CdnPhoto on Dec 30, 2013 4:11:39 GMT -8
My guess is that there are more worldwide iOS-using Audi drivers than Android. I am one of those and Audi going with Google and Android makes me actually think about switching to BMW for my next car. In the US, they already use Google maps for their in car GPS. Disappointed with Audi's decision. I think really the big news with Apple and Google getting in to the in car entertainment systems is who they are moving out of that space. From what I recall, the big player was QNX, the company that BBRY bought. Another revenue stream lost for BBRY.
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Post by bloodylongaapl on Dec 30, 2013 4:18:12 GMT -8
My guess is that there are more worldwide iOS-using Audi drivers than Android. I am one of those and Audi going with Google and Android makes me actually think about switching to BMW for my next car. Yep, my last 4-5 (can't remember exactly) cars have been Audi, and all bought new. On this news, the current one will be the last. Mobile device OS is a lifestyle choice more personal and engaging than man & auto. Audi have made a boo-boo here IMO, their demographic is firmly aligned with that of iOS. They'll bleed some of their customer base I expect.
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Post by CdnPhoto on Dec 30, 2013 4:38:17 GMT -8
I am one of those and Audi going with Google and Android makes me actually think about switching to BMW for my next car. Yep, my last 4-5 (can't remember exactly) cars have been Audi, and all bought new. On this news, the current one will be the last. Mobile device OS is a lifestyle choice more personal and engaging than man & auto. Audi have made a boo-boo here IMO, their demographic is firmly aligned with that of iOS. They'll bleed some of their customer base I expect. The Audi (at least here) come with iPod/iPhone connectors. You'd think they did their research on what phones people use to put that connector in.
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Post by rutgersguy92 on Dec 30, 2013 4:47:05 GMT -8
Well with 2014 literally around the corner - Audi picking GOOG (stupid) - and the stock a bit red today - I'm looking at 2014 for a better year....maybe even a break out year. One can certainly hope and there is no reason to think we can't make it a reality. C'mon TC - make it the Year of Apple (and AAPL) at all levels.... Well here we are again I guess it must be fate We've tried it on our own But deep inside we've known We'd be back to set things straight Hi, Phoebes. Hopefully, your neighbor Mike will have a good year next year for the RU football team. The team underperformed for the second year in a row under the present coaching regime, with QB play going south mid-way through the year. And we start playing in the Big Ten next year. Regarding AAPL, we're down 3 in a pre-market which is flat. I guess we can attribute some of this to the Audi news. By the way, wasn't last week the first week for orders for China Mobile, so perhaps today we might get a number announced.
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Post by Lstream on Dec 30, 2013 5:33:00 GMT -8
I am one of those and Audi going with Google and Android makes me actually think about switching to BMW for my next car. Yep, my last 4-5 (can't remember exactly) cars have been Audi, and all bought new. On this news, the current one will be the last. Mobile device OS is a lifestyle choice more personal and engaging than man & auto. Audi have made a boo-boo here IMO, their demographic is firmly aligned with that of iOS. They'll bleed some of their customer base I expect. Many vehicles use QNX now, but that does not preclude iPhone or iPod compatibility. I suspect that this will be the case here too, as I would doubt that Audi would do anything to totally alienate iOS users. The infotainment system is for the most part captive to the car and the underlying OS is kind of irrelevant. For this kind of project, I think Android is superior because it is totally under developer control. Unlike iOS which keeps you under Apple control through strict enforcement of API's. Maybe the auto world is different, but I doubt it. Knowing Audi, I can see this control issue swaying them. As a tiny example, we are developing an Apple accessory. When we launch, it will only be compatible with iOS devices. The underlying OS? Android. Having full access to source code and complete freedom to customize at will is huge. Android is hugely attractive to embedded projects, which an infotainment system is. If this new system achieves new levels of smartphone integration, then I hope/think that Audi will do nothing to preclude iOS apps from joining the party. In much the same way we see excellent Google apps on iOS now. It will be interesting to see more details when they come out.
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Post by appledoc on Dec 30, 2013 5:34:01 GMT -8
Regarding AAPL, we're down 3 in a pre-market which is flat. I guess we can attribute some of this to the Audi news. By the way, wasn't last week the first week for orders for China Mobile, so perhaps today we might get a number announced. Doubt it. They don't release numbers that specific.
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Post by mightydog on Dec 30, 2013 5:48:54 GMT -8
I am one of those and Audi going with Google and Android makes me actually think about switching to BMW for my next car. Yep, my last 4-5 (can't remember exactly) cars have been Audi, and all bought new. On this news, the current one will be the last. Mobile device OS is a lifestyle choice more personal and engaging than man & auto. Audi have made a boo-boo here IMO, their demographic is firmly aligned with that of iOS. They'll bleed some of their customer base I expect. +1 Ditto. As much as I love my S5 and have drooled over the RS7, if iOS is not an Audi option I too will look elsewhere. Too bad. So sad.
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Post by elmar on Dec 30, 2013 5:59:18 GMT -8
Yep, my last 4-5 (can't remember exactly) cars have been Audi, and all bought new. On this news, the current one will be the last. Mobile device OS is a lifestyle choice more personal and engaging than man & auto. Audi have made a boo-boo here IMO, their demographic is firmly aligned with that of iOS. They'll bleed some of their customer base I expect. Many vehicles use QNX now, but that does not preclude iPhone or iPod compatibility. I suspect that this will be the case here too, as I would doubt that Audi would do anything to totally alienate iOS users. The infotainment system is for the most part captive to the car and the underlying OS is kind of irrelevant. For this kind of project, I think Android is superior because it is totally under developer control. Unlike iOS which keeps you under Apple control through strict enforcement of API's. Maybe the auto world is different, but I doubt it. Knowing Audi, I can see this control issue swaying them. As a tiny example, we are developing an Apple accessory. When we launch, it will only be compatible with iOS devices. The underlying OS? Android. Having full access to source code and complete freedom to customize at will is huge. Android is hugely attractive to embedded projects, which an infotainment system is. If this new system achieves new levels of smartphone integration, then I hope/think that Audi will do nothing to preclude iOS apps from joining the party. In much the same way we see excellent Google apps on iOS now. It will be interesting to see more details when they come out. Several years ago I had an original Audi infotainment system but this has been a complete UI disaster. So I do not have much confidence into Audi to generate something useable by themselves. I prefer to rely on my iPhone or iPad and just to have some nice connectivity to my car. But you are right, for creating an embedded system, iOS is not really an alternative and Android is probably one of the better available choices.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 30, 2013 6:10:04 GMT -8
Yep, my last 4-5 (can't remember exactly) cars have been Audi, and all bought new. On this news, the current one will be the last. Mobile device OS is a lifestyle choice more personal and engaging than man & auto. Audi have made a boo-boo here IMO, their demographic is firmly aligned with that of iOS. They'll bleed some of their customer base I expect. +1 Ditto. As much as I love my S5 and have drooled over the RS7, if iOS is not an Audi option I too will look elsewhere. Too bad. So sad. So you guys make your decision on your $60,000 or $80,000 vehicle on whether it integrates completely with your $600 iPhone?
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Post by macwire on Dec 30, 2013 6:15:12 GMT -8
+1 Ditto. As much as I love my S5 and have drooled over the RS7, if iOS is not an Audi option I too will look elsewhere. Too bad. So sad. So you guys make your decision on your $60,000 or $80,000 vehicle on whether it integrates completely with your $600 iPhone? LOL isn't Chevy making some integrated ios devices? Have at if
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Post by Lstream on Dec 30, 2013 6:18:35 GMT -8
Many vehicles use QNX now, but that does not preclude iPhone or iPod compatibility. I suspect that this will be the case here too, as I would doubt that Audi would do anything to totally alienate iOS users. The infotainment system is for the most part captive to the car and the underlying OS is kind of irrelevant. For this kind of project, I think Android is superior because it is totally under developer control. Unlike iOS which keeps you under Apple control through strict enforcement of API's. Maybe the auto world is different, but I doubt it. Knowing Audi, I can see this control issue swaying them. As a tiny example, we are developing an Apple accessory. When we launch, it will only be compatible with iOS devices. The underlying OS? Android. Having full access to source code and complete freedom to customize at will is huge. Android is hugely attractive to embedded projects, which an infotainment system is. If this new system achieves new levels of smartphone integration, then I hope/think that Audi will do nothing to preclude iOS apps from joining the party. In much the same way we see excellent Google apps on iOS now. It will be interesting to see more details when they come out. Several years ago I had an original Audi infotainment system but this has been a complete UI disaster. So I do not have much confidence into Audi to generate something useable by themselves. I prefer to rely on my iPhone or iPad and just to have some nice connectivity to my car. But you are right, for creating an embedded system, iOS is not really an alternative and Android is probably one of the better available choices. I have a 5 year old R8 and the so called infotainment system is pretty sad. I expect an Android variant to be a huge step up, and I also expect that there will still be some form of iOS device support. But the infotainment system is not a big deal to me anyway. I pick the car first and take what they give me. Maybe others think differently. Audi is a very smart company, and I trust them to do the right thing for its customers. Even iOS fanatics like us.
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Post by Lstream on Dec 30, 2013 6:21:04 GMT -8
+1 Ditto. As much as I love my S5 and have drooled over the RS7, if iOS is not an Audi option I too will look elsewhere. Too bad. So sad. So you guys make your decision on your $60,000 or $80,000 vehicle on whether it integrates completely with your $600 iPhone? Not me. That criteria barely makes the list. I'm usually too busy enjoying the driving experience to care much about the phone integration.
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Post by mightydog on Dec 30, 2013 6:23:12 GMT -8
+1 Ditto. As much as I love my S5 and have drooled over the RS7, if iOS is not an Audi option I too will look elsewhere. Too bad. So sad. So you guys make your decision on your $60,000 or $80,000 vehicle on whether it integrates completely with your $600 iPhone? Have you ever tried to use the Audi MMI system? With each "improvement" it has gotten worse. I have stopped using it and rely 100% on my iPhone, connected via Bluetooth, for maps and music.
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Post by bloodylongaapl on Dec 30, 2013 6:35:15 GMT -8
+1 Ditto. As much as I love my S5 and have drooled over the RS7, if iOS is not an Audi option I too will look elsewhere. Too bad. So sad. So you guys make your decision on your $60,000 or $80,000 vehicle on whether it integrates completely with your $600 iPhone? So your argument is relative cost should be determinant factor. I would use another metric - engagement hours. I use my iPhone for 2-3 hours a day, but my car for under an hour on average. I'm (perhaps wrongly) assuming here that Audi are going to optimise the infotainment system for Android devices, a la iOS in the Car. If that is the case, then under my preferred metric I have a big problem with that as I am "closer" to iOS than to my Audi. I would also most definitely not appreciate feeling I am getting a lesser experience than Android device owners in my, as you put it, $60-80k purchase.
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Post by rezonate on Dec 30, 2013 6:40:34 GMT -8
What do I really want in the car? I want to jump in, plug the iPhone or iPad Mini into the charger, then control it from the console. I was surprised my new Tacoma came with an in-dash system that offers pretty comprehensive control using bluetooth. No maps and no Siri integration, but audio and phone controls work perfectly. Oh, right, they announced that: "iOS in the Car seamlessly integrates your iOS device — and the iOS experience — with your in-dash system. If your vehicle is equipped with iOS in the Car, you can connect your iPhone 5 or later and interact with it using the car’s built-in display and controls or Siri Eyes Free. Now you can easily and safely make phone calls, access your music, send and receive messages, get directions, and more. It’s all designed to let iPhone focus on what you need, so you can focus on the road."
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Post by phoebear611 on Dec 30, 2013 6:44:13 GMT -8
Hey Rutgers Guy - Happy New Year! Neighbor's name is Chris and hopefully he will get some shot to play next year as QB but we shall see. Here is the enigma - they say that iPhones are the luxury phones and hence the cost - so if you have enough money to buy an Audi luxury brand, isn't your customer at Audi the same person who is holding an iPhone? Perhaps I am thinking about this too simplistically.
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Post by rickag on Dec 30, 2013 6:47:29 GMT -8
I drive a used Ford Focus, no entertainment center. Newer Fords are using Wndows ME I believe. So I will be moving to another manufacturer. Take that Ford, one lost sale of a used Ford Focus, that will teach them.
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Post by gtrplyr on Dec 30, 2013 6:57:32 GMT -8
If Aapl keeps trading like this I won't have to worry which Audi to buy .... I'll be happy driving my old Toyota .
I don't think that the Audi news is moving the stock anyway ....
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Post by Lstream on Dec 30, 2013 6:57:45 GMT -8
Here is the enigma - they say that iPhones are the luxury phones and hence the cost - so if you have enough money to buy an Audi luxury brand, isn't your customer at Audi the same person who is holding an iPhone? Perhaps I am thinking about this too simplistically. With embedded Android, Audi will be able to make the iPhone experience just as good as the Android experience if they choose. Indistinguishable. I see no reason why they would make iPhones second class citizens. Think of the Android they end up with as having nothing to do with the version you see on a Smartphone. Of course Google will try and make everyone believe that there will be some advantage to the Android phone user. I expect them to be full of crap on that one. Maybe even Schmitt-grade full of crap.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 30, 2013 7:13:53 GMT -8
I drive a used Ford Focus, no entertainment center. Newer Fords are using Wndows ME I believe. So I will be moving to another manufacturer. Take that Ford, one lost sale of a used Ford Focus, that will teach them. Yes, Ford is using WinME. It came with my 2011 F-250 PU. Loved the PU, hated the dash controls, unduly complex with a DOS like interface.. Took it into the dealership 4 times for help getting it to work. Their factory trained tech told me (under his breath) that there were big problems with it. He had been expecting an update, but wasn't confident about that. The previous update just changed the nature of the problems. I travelled a lot with that truck, picking up classic cars from around the country. Integration was a big deal for me. I sold it less than a year after buying it. Won't do another Ford until they scrap the alliance with MSFT.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 30, 2013 7:15:23 GMT -8
So you guys make your decision on your $60,000 or $80,000 vehicle on whether it integrates completely with your $600 iPhone? So your argument is relative cost should be determinant factor. I would use another metric - engagement hours. I use my iPhone for 2-3 hours a day, but my car for under an hour on average. I'm (perhaps wrongly) assuming here that Audi are going to optimise the infotainment system for Android devices, a la iOS in the Car. If that is the case, then under my preferred metric I have a big problem with that as I am "closer" to iOS than to my Audi. I would also most definitely not appreciate feeling I am getting a lesser experience than Android device owners in my, as you put it, $60-80k purchase. Yes, cost should be a determinent factor...if you're spending $80,000 on a vehicle, I would assume driving experience and quality matter to you. Something like integration with your phone should be like 10th on your list of why you buy a car, not first. Unless you're just buying the car cause it looks pretty.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 30, 2013 7:16:23 GMT -8
So are we headed back down to another $500 pin for January OE? Is there any reason to buy before Earnings?
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Post by bud777 on Dec 30, 2013 7:18:13 GMT -8
Hmmmm.....Car talk, down five.
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Post by macwire on Dec 30, 2013 7:33:11 GMT -8
There is no reason to buy unless you want some fud ridden blue chip crap stock
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Post by appledoc on Dec 30, 2013 7:34:12 GMT -8
Looks like I made a mistake on timing here. Still think new high before major retrace.
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Post by phoebear611 on Dec 30, 2013 7:34:59 GMT -8
Hey apple doc - where are your charts suggesting we are headed price-wise here?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 30, 2013 7:39:17 GMT -8
It's the stock market. I doubt it's Audi-related. I wrote Audi inquiring how its decision impacts my ability to use an iPhone.
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