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Post by lovemyipad on Oct 18, 2012 16:33:38 GMT -8
MUAHAHAHAHAHAHA <--- evil laugh
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Post by greedynoob on Oct 18, 2012 16:34:07 GMT -8
On September 18, when Apple was about $700 plus, I wrote a post here saying that I believed that there was a high probability that Apple would drop 10% to 12% in the near term, and that I was about to start watching the stock carefully on a day by day basis. I of course gave reasons for my view, which the moderator of this forum said struck her as useful. However, if I recall correctly (and feel free to correct me if not), you were calling for 10% within a very immediate time frame, and so cannot, as you do in a later post, truthfully claim to have been correct. Within minutes, I was vehemently attacked for expressing this view by certain regulars, especially somebody named JD. Perhaps there was a post that was deleted. All I remember is JD challenging you to back up your position, and you claiming that the challenge constituted a personal attack, and then escalating quickly. In response, I suggested that participating in this forum was pointless, and my account, under the name goodwine, was deleted. Meanwhile, on September 20, I got out of call options on the stock but retained long term holdings. During the brief period of this discussion, some people expressed the view that it might be useful if people were permitted to express bearish views without being attacked. They were, and are, right. The fact is, I was the only person on this forum, which I have followed for a long time, to say that there was a serious short term prospect of a 10 to 12 percent reduction in share value. In fact, at the time, I was the only person to suggest that there was any significant prospect of a reduction in share value. Well, now, I know for a fact that is not true--since I was talking about the prospect of a 1% - 3% drop, you were not the only person. Meanwhile, I am seeing on this forum the same thing that I see every time that Apple has a reversal. A fair bit of panic, a good deal of it expressed as attacks on anyone in sight who might have a negative view, even if short term, on the stock. Either I've developed selective memory around this subject, or you're making it up, because I don't recall any attacks recently. The truth is, there was plenty of reason in mid-September to believe that Apple stock was in for a rough ride. I don't mind that people disagreed with that analysis, but I do mind that I was attacked for expressing it. Meanwhile, perhaps it is worth considering that many of the posts in reaction to Apple's performance in the last month demonstrate a great deal of emotionalism. The truth is, there's nearly always reason to believe Apple stock is in for a rough ride--that's just the way this stock is ;-) Anyway, I suggest you try to be less defensive. You seem to be primed to take any debate as a personal attack, and you showed up here again the very first thing rehashing your grievances from last month and strongly implying "don't anyone dare disagree with me".
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Post by Mav on Oct 18, 2012 16:35:03 GMT -8
Yours is an evil laugh, iPad. You sure you're not a member of the Charter Group of EOs?
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Post by fas550 on Oct 18, 2012 16:37:52 GMT -8
Anyway, on Wednesday I'm going to Italy for the winter and will follow this forum as a good way to keep tabs on Apple news stories. Well what a small world. Call me a puss but I left Italy on Sat to spend the winter in FL but then again I left northern Italy :-).
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Post by wheeles on Oct 18, 2012 16:39:40 GMT -8
FWIW: I do believe I have found my first person to ignore! Really? I wasn't aware it was possible to mute oneself...
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Post by cider on Oct 18, 2012 16:41:36 GMT -8
FWIW: I do believe I have found my first person to ignore! I gather that that is directed at me. I figure that Phoebear, who is a Brooklyn resident, knows that I was making a respectful but wry reference to her borough. And more objectively, yeah, I do intend to go for dinner, when I return from Italy, at Brooklyn Fare, and yes, there are awfully good restaurants these days in Brooklyn. As for spending the next few months based in Sicily, I'm kind of looking forward to it.
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Post by Mav on Oct 18, 2012 16:41:39 GMT -8
Not touching that - but, Did You Know™? You CAN ignore yourself! Isn't ProBoards awesome that way?
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Post by Xphilos on Oct 18, 2012 16:42:32 GMT -8
Yours is an evil laugh, iPad. must quote Firefly references
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Post by greedynoob on Oct 18, 2012 16:43:58 GMT -8
Not touching that - but, Did You Know™? You CAN ignore yourself! Isn't ProBoards awesome that way? Would that be a sin?
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Post by wheeles on Oct 18, 2012 16:47:40 GMT -8
Not touching that - but, Did You Know™? You CAN ignore yourself! Isn't ProBoards awesome that way? Now I can look back and not see how stupid I've been in the past. Huzzah! ;D
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Post by artman1033 on Oct 18, 2012 16:48:58 GMT -8
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Post by Mav on Oct 18, 2012 16:52:09 GMT -8
Not touching that - but, Did You Know™? You CAN ignore yourself! Isn't ProBoards awesome that way? Would that be a sin? Stop ignoring yourself or - Iii see what you did therrreee. Now I can look back and not see how stupid I've been in the past. Huzzah! ;D You can also look forward and not see how stupid you'll be in the future. Ahem! Back to Intraday, let's see a 630 test and bear repudiation tomorrow! But I have to check those charts first.
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Post by adamthompson32 on Oct 18, 2012 16:54:04 GMT -8
FWIW: I do believe I have found my first person to ignore! I gather that that is directed at me. I figure that Phoebear, who is a Brooklyn resident, knows that I was making a respectful but wry reference to her borough. And more objectively, yeah, I do intend to go for dinner, when I return from Italy, at Brooklyn Fare, and yes, there are awfully good restaurants these days in Brooklyn. As for spending the next few months based in Sicily, I'm kind of looking forward to it. Look, I don't care if you're long or short and I've never seen you post here before so I have no opinion of you formed yet but please post something relevant. For all my posts jabbing Sponge, Nate, and some others, I think I sometimes post useful stuff. Can you do the same? Will you do the same? But while we're on this ________ topic, I'm ordering pizza tonight.
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Post by Xphilos on Oct 18, 2012 16:54:05 GMT -8
The 200 DMA on the four hour chart is stacked right on top of the 100 DMA on the daily chart, around 626. Seems like strong support. Hold, blast you, hold! I sold some 595/600 weekly put spreads (expiring next Friday) for 1.06.
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Post by Red Shirted Ensign on Oct 18, 2012 17:04:01 GMT -8
Not touching that - but, Did You Know™? You CAN ignore yourself! Isn't ProBoards awesome that way? If I ignore myself, wont I miss out on all the wise stuff I have to say? Space/time continuum thing....seen it before.
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Post by Apple II+ on Oct 18, 2012 17:04:51 GMT -8
Really? I wasn't aware it was possible to mute oneself... I was frantically trying to find the post where I uploaded the image that showed THAT I WAS ignoring myself. ALAS, I could not find it. I think I can speak for the entire forum when I say, please do not post any pictures of you doing anything to yourself!
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Post by jcaron on Oct 18, 2012 17:08:34 GMT -8
Maybe, just maybe we can lay this to rest? Please? It is pointless to continue kicking a dead bloated horse wouldn't everyone agree? On September 18, when Apple was about $700 plus, I wrote a post here saying that I believed that there was a high probability that Apple would drop 10% to 12% in the near term, and that I was about to start watching the stock carefully on a day by day basis. I of course gave reasons for my view, which the moderator of this forum said struck her as useful. However, if I recall correctly (and feel free to correct me if not), you were calling for 10% within a very immediate time frame, and so cannot, as you do in a later post, truthfully claim to have been correct. Perhaps there was a post that was deleted. All I remember is JD challenging you to back up your position, and you claiming that the challenge constituted a personal attack, and then escalating quickly. Well, now, I know for a fact that is not true--since I was talking about the prospect of a 1% - 3% drop, you were not the only person. Either I've developed selective memory around this subject, or you're making it up, because I don't recall any attacks recently. The truth is, there was plenty of reason in mid-September to believe that Apple stock was in for a rough ride. I don't mind that people disagreed with that analysis, but I do mind that I was attacked for expressing it. Meanwhile, perhaps it is worth considering that many of the posts in reaction to Apple's performance in the last month demonstrate a great deal of emotionalism. The truth is, there's nearly always reason to believe Apple stock is in for a rough ride--that's just the way this stock is ;-) Anyway, I suggest you try to be less defensive. You seem to be primed to take any debate as a personal attack, and you showed up here again the very first thing rehashing your grievances from last month and strongly implying "don't anyone dare disagree with me".
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Post by Apple II+ on Oct 18, 2012 17:08:52 GMT -8
Perhaps there was a post that was deleted. All I remember is JD challenging you to back up your position, and you claiming that the challenge constituted a personal attack, and then escalating quickly. That's what I remember too. Surely, there must have been something that got deleted, because there was nothing offensive in what I read.
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Post by cider on Oct 18, 2012 17:09:16 GMT -8
On September 18, when Apple was about $700 plus, I wrote a post here saying that I believed that there was a high probability that Apple would drop 10% to 12% in the near term, and that I was about to start watching the stock carefully on a day by day basis. I of course gave reasons for my view, which the moderator of this forum said struck her as useful. However, if I recall correctly (and feel free to correct me if not), you were calling for 10% within a very immediate time frame, and so cannot, as you do in a later post, truthfully claim to have been correct. Yes, on September 18 I said that there was a real possibility of a 10% to 12% correction in the near term, sufficiently near that I said that I was assessing my position daily. I'm kind of dumbfounded if you think that Apple didn't start its dive not long after. By Sept. 20, I was out on options. And it is perfectly obvious that if I had persisted in my views, I would have been crucified right through the deterioration in the stock price. In fact, a whole lot of you were buying all the way down, and it's pretty clear that a lot of you got hammered in the process. Meanwhile, I got slammed for suggesting, on September 18, that maybe there was a problem. Anyway, it isn't about being correct. It's about whether it is possible on this forum to express a bearish view on the stock. In fact, that is not possible. On this forum, every view on Apple falls into two categories: bullish or, if the stock is going down, an allegation that the media and/or large investors are engaged in a conspiracy to bring down, and then pump up, the share price. A good deal of the time, there is no apparent difference between what is being posted on this site and the fanboy Apple/fanboy Android stuff that litters the internet. Except that here it is about real money, at least for those of us who are invested in Apple with real money.
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Post by phoebear611 on Oct 18, 2012 17:20:26 GMT -8
FWIW: I do believe I have found my first person to ignore! I gather that that is directed at me. I figure that Phoebear, who is a Brooklyn resident, knows that I was making a respectful but wry reference to her borough. And more objectively, yeah, I do intend to go for dinner, when I return from Italy, at Brooklyn Fare, and yes, there are awfully good restaurants these days in Brooklyn. As for spending the next few months based in Sicily, I'm kind of looking forward to it. Actually - I don't live in Brooklyn, never lived in Brooklyn, and wasn't born in Brooklyn. That said - I have been there a boat load of times and it is very very cool. Restaurants are great in the smallest and strangest of places. I have been to Italy several times but never to Sicily...that will be our next trip but first we need to get through earnings...then I will think of planning travels. Well, have a terrific time and stay in touch - this is a very giving group and written format carries no tone. I have been on the receiving end and the giving end of miscommunications...and it's just that. Let's hope that next week at this time we are all celebrating the wonder that is AAPL
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Post by lovemyipad on Oct 18, 2012 17:25:13 GMT -8
Maybe, just maybe we can lay this to rest? Please? It is pointless to continue kicking a dead bloated horse wouldn't everyone agree? ^^^^ Love that guy!!
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Post by Mav on Oct 18, 2012 17:28:02 GMT -8
I object, jcaron! I'm trying to make money off my bear put spreads on -
Oh...never mind
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Post by Lstream on Oct 18, 2012 17:28:59 GMT -8
On this forum, every view on Apple falls into two categories: bullish or, if the stock is going down, an allegation that the media and/or large investors are engaged in a conspiracy to bring down, and then pump up, the share price. A good deal of the time, there is no apparent difference between what is being posted on this site and the fanboy Apple/fanboy Android stuff that litters the internet. Except that here it is about real money, at least for those of us who are invested in Apple with real money. This post is OK right? It can't be a personal attack when all 350 of us get smacked at the same time.
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Post by Mav on Oct 18, 2012 17:30:20 GMT -8
Group attack?
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Post by qualitywte on Oct 18, 2012 17:35:11 GMT -8
All I know is that every kid in the free world (and the rest of the world too) will ask for an iPad Mini for Christmas. They better plan on making a butt-load of those little things!
Tickle me.... Elmo
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Post by cider on Oct 18, 2012 17:43:05 GMT -8
Sorry, got your borough wrong. If you get back to Italy this year, and stray into Sicily, I'd be delighted to show you the southeastern part of the island.
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Post by Tetrachloride on Oct 18, 2012 17:44:02 GMT -8
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Post by artman1033 on Oct 18, 2012 17:44:50 GMT -8
Mr.Softie's earnings call transcript is up. I found the Q&A especially enlightening. They ignored most of the questions. It was like a presidential debate. The ONE on Apple, they answered. seekingalpha.com/article/934051-microsoft-s-management-discusses-f1q13-results-earnings-call-transcript?part=singleKash Rangan - Merrill Lynch As you enter the world of the new form factors; since you’re coming little bit behind relative to Apple, what is the right way to think about your differentiation relative to the consumer market, opportunity for tablets and the enterprise market opportunity for tablets? Thank you. Peter Klein - CFO Well, I think one of our differentiations is we give everybody what they want for the purpose they want it. When I talk to CIOs for example and the enterprises, one of the things they really excited about is that Windows 8 devices give them a chance for their employees that uses that technology to have the devices they want and bring to work, they get the kind of manageability, security, integration to go on in business apps they want. So I think there is a big differentiation in the enterprise across all the form factors especially tablets that that are increasingly coming in for a place. On the consumer side, I think there not only a range of price points and different kinds of form factors, but also unique and differentiated set of services and experiences that come with the device including Office, including SkyDrive, including Xbox Music. So I think across the board we see similar differentiation both in the enterprise and on the consumer.
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Post by lovemyipad on Oct 18, 2012 17:44:56 GMT -8
It's the Ghost of Salmon-Fishing Past!!!!
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Post by Apple II+ on Oct 18, 2012 17:45:59 GMT -8
let's not dREDGE up the past
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