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Post by sponge on Apr 2, 2013 11:09:51 GMT -8
Not so. New iPhones with dividend and buy back news, will get us past 500 before you know it.
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Post by sponge on Apr 2, 2013 11:20:10 GMT -8
20 million shares after a 10% correction and volatile day that will end green, makes a stronger base above 419.
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Post by Lstream on Apr 2, 2013 11:26:17 GMT -8
20 million shares after a 10% correction and volatile day that will end green, makes a stronger base above 419. Yesterday you get margin called, and today we are supposed to believe any of what you say? Keep living in your dream world where anyone actually listens to you. The noise you generate is simply unreal. |
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Post by appledoc on Apr 2, 2013 11:26:51 GMT -8
Talk to mace. Yes we may visit 390 but we are about to go very bullish Do you even read the EW thread? And I'm not going to speak for mace, but I can't recall him ever making such definitive statements. |
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Post by mace on Apr 2, 2013 11:30:53 GMT -8
Apple best days are in the future not now.iOS products are part of a mobile revolution that is just getting started. AAPL best days are over for sure. No more quadruple over a span of 9 months. Mobile revolution has started since the launch of iPhone. Now is 2.0, service is the thing now. Many folks still thinking of 1.0 thinking hardware is the thing. Mobile payment requires sound security and privacy which Apple products and curated AppStore has the advantage. The early adopters would be iPhone users not Android users. Agree with you that Jim Cramer is being sarcastic. |
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Post by Big Al on Apr 2, 2013 11:32:08 GMT -8
Talk to mace. Yes we may visit 390 but we are about to go very bullish Do you even read the EW thread? And I'm not going to speak for mace, but I can't recall him ever making such definitive statements. Sponge, EW is IF/THEN analysis with possible invalidations of a count at any time. It is not a definite DOWN/UP analysis. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 2, 2013 11:33:38 GMT -8
Why doesn't Apple use it's cash for something that will actually help the company in the long term and crush some competition. Create a Pandora like Radio service and give it away for free. Yes, they'll need to pay the Music Industry a fair chunk of change per 1000 plays or whatever, but think of the benefit to their customers that they could listen to any song or station they want for free, at any time.
Or create other Apps that are game breakers that exist only for iOS...any major Apps out there now work with both Android and iOS. Why doesn't Apple use some of their tremendous resources to their advantage and either buy top App Makers or have a massive iOS Development team that's core job is building Apps that are free. Apple should be developing dozens of Apps every year, not 2 or 3. A few more iMessage, Siri's etc and it will help significantly.
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Post by rosie on Apr 2, 2013 11:39:50 GMT -8
Can I get someone to talk me down from the ledge? Tell me why this is a bad idea. Here is the situation...I own my house outright and it is worth about $750,000. I can borrow $425,000 on a 7/1 ARM at 2.83% with about $3000 closing costs. Apple is paying dividends at 2.63% and is likely to raise the dividend. The bank has no problem loaning the money for investment purposes. Is there any reason not to mortgage the house and buy 1000 shares? The dividend pays for the loan. For the purposes of this discussion, ignore the tax consequences. whoa! sounds like me on a much larger scale. 1. if the divvy pays the loan how many more $ do you net each month/year? 2. if the bottom is $390 vs. $419 are you going to wait it out? 3. your house may appraise for $750k...if life changes can you actually sell it for that amount and still have some money left to buy the next best place? 4. a plus is the write off for the mort. interest which will help balance tax from the divvy...but even so....will you have a significant amount of additional bucks from this entire stressful transaction? 5. I just took cash and paid off my 2nd to get out of the mindf**k I created by doing this on a smaller scale. 6. My objectivity has returned. whew. 7. and you are thinking this way after recently finishing "Dark Pools"  |
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Post by mace on Apr 2, 2013 11:47:33 GMT -8
... Or create other Apps that are game breakers that exist only for iOS...any major Apps out there now work with both Android and iOS. Why doesn't Apple use some of their tremendous resources to their advantage and either buy top App Makers or have a massive iOS Development team that's core job is building Apps that are free. Apple should be developing dozens of Apps every year, not 2 or 3. A few more iMessage, Siri's etc and it will help significantly. Apple is trying hard to develop killer apps and network effect apps like FaceTime, iMessage, PassBook and Maps. Idea is hard to come by, perhaps, you should join Apple. Apple is also thinking of buying top App Makers if relevant to their mission e.g. rumor that Jonathan Ives had talked to Nick about Summly. |
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Post by sponge on Apr 2, 2013 11:55:13 GMT -8
Apple best days are in the future not now.iOS products are part of a mobile revolution that is just getting started. AAPL best days are over for sure. No more quadruple over a span of 9 months. Mobile revolution has started since the launch of iPhone. Now is 2.0, service is the thing now. Many folks still thinking of 1.0 thinking hardware is the thing. Mobile payment requires sound security and privacy which Apple products and curated AppStore has the advantage. The early adopters would be iPhone users not Android users. Agree with you that Jim Cramer is being sarcastic. Sure the stock may not move that much, but after Jan 2014 I still anticipate 20% increase every year for at least 5 years. Service is part of the revolution, however it becomes powerful only when everyone has access to the hardware to provide the service. Think oil for cars, rail for trains, electricity for houses, phone lines for phones, internet for computers. Smartphones and tablets are still in the infancy. YOu need to fast forward at least 10 years to understand the bigger picture. |
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Post by sponge on Apr 2, 2013 12:01:07 GMT -8
Do you even read the EW thread? And I'm not going to speak for mace, but I can't recall him ever making such definitive statements. Sponge, EW is IF/THEN analysis with possible invalidations of a count at any time. It is not a definite DOWN/UP analysis. Correct, but I believe that gap filled from 705 to 420 met the FB correction and are now being set up for a very bullish move. It is hard to see that after the last 6 days, nor can one predict how quickly we move up. But up we will go up from 420. Well we got our green close, but volume fell 1.5 million short. We still have 3 more trading days this week. |
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Post by roni on Apr 2, 2013 12:01:15 GMT -8
Can I get someone to talk me down from the ledge? Tell me why this is a bad idea. Here is the situation...I own my house outright and it is worth about $750,000. I can borrow $425,000 on a 7/1 ARM at 2.83% with about $3000 closing costs. Apple is paying dividends at 2.63% and is likely to raise the dividend. The bank has no problem loaning the money for investment purposes. Is there any reason not to mortgage the house and buy 1000 shares? The dividend pays for the loan. For the purposes of this discussion, ignore the tax consequences. I would suggest a portfolio of 20-30 dividend and dividend growth stocks. I started diversifying out of AAPL LEAPS during the Spring, 2012. I have 26 positions now (AAPL is one of them), and life is good. Non-AAPL stocks range from being up 39% (OHI) to down 20+% - AAPL. Only three are red, and the other not near as much as AAPL The portfolio's current yield is 4%, that is getting reinvested. |
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Post by appledoc on Apr 2, 2013 12:10:44 GMT -8
If anyone wants real EW analysis, go to the EW thread in technicals. Neither iPad nor myself believe the bottom has come.
380s-390s is the best case scenario. I think sub-350 is more likely.
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Post by rob_london on Apr 2, 2013 12:10:53 GMT -8
Can I get someone to talk me down from the ledge? Tell me why this is a bad idea. Here is the situation...I own my house outright and it is worth about $750,000. I can borrow $425,000 on a 7/1 ARM at 2.83% with about $3000 closing costs. Apple is paying dividends at 2.63% and is likely to raise the dividend. The bank has no problem loaning the money for investment purposes. Is there any reason not to mortgage the house and buy 1000 shares? The dividend pays for the loan. For the purposes of this discussion, ignore the tax consequences. I would suggest a portfolio of 20-30 dividend and dividend growth stocks. I started diversifying out of AAPL LEAPS during the Spring, 2012. I have 26 positions now (AAPL is one of them), and life is good. Non-AAPL stocks range from being up 39% (OHI) to down 20+% - AAPL. Only three are red, and the other not near as much as AAPL The portfolio's current yield is 4%, that is getting reinvested. Excellent advice, although I personally prefer to have a more focused portfolio, with a maximum of about 15 stocks. I like to have deep knowledge of each business, something I could never manage if I owned 30 stocks. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 2, 2013 12:16:33 GMT -8
Tesla website is currently down pending its "major announcement" - kind of strange, feels like an apple announcement - but by a car company.
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Post by sponge on Apr 2, 2013 12:17:21 GMT -8
If anyone wants real EW analysis, go to the EW thread in technicals. Neither iPad nor myself believe the bottom has come. 380s-390s is the best case scenario. I think sub-350 is more likely. Anything under 400 would assume that Apple missed its estimate for 2nd quarter. I just don't see that happening. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 2, 2013 12:19:55 GMT -8
If anyone wants real EW analysis, go to the EW thread in technicals. Neither iPad nor myself believe the bottom has come. 380s-390s is the best case scenario. I think sub-350 is more likely. Purely from a fundamental viewpoint, sub-$350 seems ludicrous. However the market has proven that when it comes to Apple fundamentals can be left at the door for periods of several months (although I doubt fundamentals can be ignored long term, which is why I'm still in AAPL LEAPS) |
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Post by Mav on Apr 2, 2013 12:20:26 GMT -8
Tesla website is currently down pending its "major announcement" - kind of strange, feels like an apple announcement - but by a car company. Taking pages out of Apple's playbook, or trying to, is a common theme. Remember PadFone? Some do better at applying those general techniques than others. |
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Post by appledoc on Apr 2, 2013 12:25:45 GMT -8
If anyone wants real EW analysis, go to the EW thread in technicals. Neither iPad nor myself believe the bottom has come. 380s-390s is the best case scenario. I think sub-350 is more likely. Purely from a fundamental viewpoint, sub-$350 seems ludicrous. However the market has proven that when it comes to Apple fundamentals can be left at the door for periods of several months (although I doubt fundamentals can be ignored long term, which is why I'm still in AAPL LEAPS) Using today's fundamentals, maybe it's ludicrous. But what happens when EPS drops by 2.00 in a few weeks and we suffer further P/E compression? Then sub-350 isn't so crazy. |
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Post by sponge on Apr 2, 2013 12:31:41 GMT -8
Purely from a fundamental viewpoint, sub-$350 seems ludicrous. However the market has proven that when it comes to Apple fundamentals can be left at the door for periods of several months (although I doubt fundamentals can be ignored long term, which is why I'm still in AAPL LEAPS) Using today's fundamentals, maybe it's ludicrous. But what happens when EPS drops by 2.00 in a few weeks and we suffer further P/E compression? Then sub-350 isn't so crazy. What is your eps estimate for last quarter? |
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Post by appledoc on Apr 2, 2013 12:38:08 GMT -8
Using today's fundamentals, maybe it's ludicrous. But what happens when EPS drops by 2.00 in a few weeks and we suffer further P/E compression? Then sub-350 isn't so crazy. What is your eps estimate for last quarter? Within their guided range for revenue and income. I don't make EPS estimates. It doesn't provide any benefit for me. |
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Post by cbingle on Apr 2, 2013 12:40:34 GMT -8
Maybe Tim is on maternity leave?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 2, 2013 12:45:46 GMT -8
Purely from a fundamental viewpoint, sub-$350 seems ludicrous. However the market has proven that when it comes to Apple fundamentals can be left at the door for periods of several months (although I doubt fundamentals can be ignored long term, which is why I'm still in AAPL LEAPS) Using today's fundamentals, maybe it's ludicrous. But what happens when EPS drops by 2.00 in a few weeks and we suffer further P/E compression? Then sub-350 isn't so crazy. Won't matter when June quarter guidance will be up y-o-y. |
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Post by phoebear611 on Apr 2, 2013 12:47:11 GMT -8
If we ever get to sub $350...won't the percentage of that number that is pure cash be completely INSANE?! Something's gotta give here...we are getting to crazy numbers for such a profitable company. That being said, I discount nothing because I was shaking my head when we crashed thru $600, then again thru $500, and momentarily thru $400....so I am of the mind that just about anything can happen...ludicrous or otherwise.
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Post by appledoc on Apr 2, 2013 12:50:55 GMT -8
Using today's fundamentals, maybe it's ludicrous. But what happens when EPS drops by 2.00 in a few weeks and we suffer further P/E compression? Then sub-350 isn't so crazy. Won't matter when June quarter guidance will be up y-o-y. If. And will guidance be better than what WS expects? Will it be enough to overcome a YoY decline in Q2? I'm not predicting doomsday here. Just saying that what may seem impossible, is certainly not so. |
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Post by seabiscuit on Apr 2, 2013 12:52:28 GMT -8
If we ever get to sub $350...won't the percentage of that number that is pure cash be completely INSANE?! Something's gotta give here...we are getting to crazy numbers for such a profitable company. That being said, I discount nothing because I was shaking my head when we crashed thru $600, then again thru $500, and momentarily thru $400....so I am of the mind that just about anything can happen...ludicrous or otherwise. At some point the impact of increasing cash on share price has to kick, or the same positive impact from a significantly increased dividend. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 2, 2013 12:57:09 GMT -8
Tesla website is currently down pending its "major announcement" - kind of strange, feels like an apple announcement - but by a car company. Taking pages out of Apple's playbook, or trying to, is a common theme. Remember PadFone? Some do better at applying those general techniques than others. PALO ALTO, CA -- (Marketwired) -- 04/02/13 -- Tesla Motors (NASDAQ: TSLA) announced today that, in partnership with Wells Fargo and US Bank, it has created a revolutionary automotive financing product that provides the best elements of ownership and leasing to Model S customers. Most people throughout the world prefer to own their belongings, rather than rent what is essentially someone else's property via a lease. However, leases do provide some key benefits, particularly a low initial payment, tax deductions, lower risk on resale value and the convenience of returning a car without the hassle of reselling it personally. Working with some of the largest and most respected banks in the country, Tesla has been able to create a new kind of financing product that combines the surety and comfort of ownership with all the advantages of a traditional lease. Like the Model S, this product was created from the ground up to provide maximum benefit to consumers, rather than simply duplicating other financing programs that tend to favor companies at the expense of the individual. How does it work? - US Bank and Wells Fargo have agreed to provide 10% down financing for purchase of a Model S (on approved credit). - The 10% down payment is covered or more than covered by US Federal and state tax credits ranging from $7,500 to $15,000. New Jersey, Washington and DC also have no sales tax for electric vehicles. These advantages are not available when leasing. - When considering the savings from using electricity instead of gasoline, depreciation benefits and other factors, the true net out of pocket cost to own a mid-range Model S drops to less than $500 per month. - After 36 months, you have the right, but not the obligation to sell your Model S to Tesla for the same residual value percentage as the iconic Mercedes S Class, one of the finest premium sedans in the world, made by Daimler (also a Tesla partner and investor). - Not only is Tesla guaranteeing that resale value, but Tesla CEO Elon Musk is personally standing behind that guarantee to give customers absolute peace of mind about the value of the asset they are purchasing. |
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Post by rob_london on Apr 2, 2013 12:58:46 GMT -8
If we ever get to sub $350...won't the percentage of that number that is pure cash be completely INSANE?! Something's gotta give here...we are getting to crazy numbers for such a profitable company. That being said, I discount nothing because I was shaking my head when we crashed thru $600, then again thru $500, and momentarily thru $400....so I am of the mind that just about anything can happen...ludicrous or otherwise. At some point the impact of increasing cash on share price has to kick, or the same positive impact from a significantly increased dividend. And/or a significant buy back of stock... |
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Post by rickag on Apr 2, 2013 13:13:16 GMT -8
Can I get someone to talk me down from the ledge? Tell me why this is a bad idea. Here is the situation...I own my house outright and it is worth about $750,000. I can borrow $425,000 on a 7/1 ARM at 2.83% with about $3000 closing costs. Apple is paying dividends at 2.63% and is likely to raise the dividend. The bank has no problem loaning the money for investment purposes. Is there any reason not to mortgage the house and buy 1000 shares? The dividend pays for the loan. For the purposes of this discussion, ignore the tax consequences. I would suggest a portfolio of 20-30 dividend and dividend growth stocks. I started diversifying out of AAPL LEAPS during the Spring, 2012. I have 26 positions now (AAPL is one of them), and life is good. Non-AAPL stocks range from being up 39% (OHI) to down 20+% - AAPL. Only three are red, and the other not near as much as AAPL The portfolio's current yield is 4%, that is getting reinvested. Thank you for your insight. |
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Post by rob_london on Apr 2, 2013 13:14:31 GMT -8
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